Sex Poll

[Vince_Fiero]

Please read the AUP:

You will not post or link to content that is obscene or sexually oriented.

However I still see this topic as having a place in current opinions.
With messages about infidelity, abuse, church cover up, sexually transmittable illnesses, etc.... There is a lot to discuss.

I still see a lot of different opinions about the acts of reproduction, so I wanted to start a Poll (not clear if I´ll manage):

Abstinence is a virtue
Sex is a part of a loving relationship
Sex is natural, sex is good (George Michael)
Pleasure to the max!

We will defer in opinion on this, respect the other! (actually quite my opinion on the topic)

 

[Famine]

It's nobody else's business what two consenting adults of any sexual preference or relationship get up to in private.

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

I don't see many differences of opinion as far as the act of reproduction...just whoever wants to lay claim to the life of the embryo you decided to temporarily gift your mate.

Who gets dibs? The wife, the husband, the government, or God Almighty?

 

[Vince_Fiero]

It's nobody else's business what two consenting adults of any sexual preference or relationship get up to in private.

two consenting adults: that is already very limiting for those choosing pleasure to the max!

 

[Famine]

Having sex with someone who doesn't want (or who can't give consent) it is rape (and a rights violation), having sex with kids is paedophilia and rape (and a rights violation). Consenting adults it is.

After that point it's no-one else's business, whatever they get up to.

 

[Tesla]

What about a consenting child? Would that just be paedophilia? Or is the fact they are a child mean that they cannot legally give consent?

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

I love how this thread took a turn for the controversial, already.

:eatingpopcornwatchinggif:

 

[bonobo4]

Sex is natural and good. But of course only if you are in a loving, committed relationship and both agree. Other than that it is just rape/paedophilia.

As for what goes on, I don't care, should I?

 

[Famine]

Sex is natural and good. But of course only if you are in a loving, committed relationship and both agree. Other than that it is just rape/paedophilia.

As for what goes on, I don't care, should I?

I don't even think a committed relationship is necessary. Sex can be used as currency or recreation, so long as it's consenting adults - a quick one-night stand, a friend-with-benefits or even a prostitute. Nobody's business.

What about a consenting child? Would that just be paedophilia? Or is the fact they are a child mean that they cannot legally give consent?

Age is a tricky thing. Some countries have no age of consent, some countries have it set very high (21 is common, often higher or flat illegal for male homosexual sex with female homosexual sex commonly ignored), some countries have it set unusually low (12-14, even in certain EU countries).

It's a strange, sliding scale that suits no-one, particularly because physical and mental development are not uniform and indeed may be different from each other within an individual and I don't pretend to have an answer for it. But most countries determine that an individual is an adult at age 18 and fully responsible for their own actions except in certain, individual circumstances (for instance, people with severe learning disabilities). When they become fully responsible they than have a full set of rights, which includes the right to do what they want with their body - tattoos, piercings, body-modification and sex.

Shove two (or more) 99th percentile, 18 year old+ adults in a room and, so long as they both agree, they can insert whatever they want, wherever they want and it's no-one else's business.


As with any good poll, there needs to be an "I don't care" option. In this case it's because no-one should care so long as it's two (or more), consenting adults.

 

[Ibonibo]

Pleasure!!!

As long as it is agreed by both parties involved, have fun. Or even alone

You don't need to be in a relationship (that is another thing, an a beautiful one for sure), or in love.

My personal boundery is not abusing the girls feeling (meaning having 12 girlfriends and no one of the girl knows about the other ones).

 

[Dennisch]

Pleasure to the max, in a relationship.

When I was single, pleasure to the maximum overdrive.

 

[Rich S]

I don't see many differences of opinion as far as the act of reproduction...just whoever wants to lay claim to the life of the embryo you decided to temporarily gift your mate.

Who gets dibs? The wife, the husband, the government, or God Almighty?

 

[Vince_Fiero]

What about a consenting child? Would that just be paedophilia? Or is the fact they are a child mean that they cannot legally give consent?

Indeed a touchy subject. It seems mostly 18 is accepted, however a lot of people are sexually developed before, so there is a question on being able to cope with the consequences of the acts. I do believe it depends on the person and is difficult to generalise.

On the other hand, I do not recommend people to rush into it, but let it come naturally, maybe hold it off a little bit till you are ready for some persons.
Not being young this seems far away though.

@ Famine: I was mainly discussing 2 people, not the other points

 

[Joel]

My personal view is that it's something special, not "sacred", but I think it's best in a comitted, loving relatioship. However, I really don't care what anyone else does, if other people want to be prostitutes, or have one night stands, that's their decision and I don't judge. I know that my own personal feeling comes mostly from my Catholic upbringing, and while I am now atheist and have no connection to the church, some of those values stay with me unconsciously. I'm not an advocate of abstinence, because sex is a big part of a healthy relationship, and to jump into a massive commitment like marriage without knowing if you're sexually compatible or not is probably not a wise decision.

I guess I've just found sex to be a phenomenal experience when it's with someone you truly love and feel completely comfortable with. I'm glad I waited, not for marriage obviously as I'm 17, but I'm glad I waited for my current girlfriend as she's a fantastic person , and I feel completely comfortable with her and I truly love her (as much as I can being 17, given my age and inherent immaturity because of it).

In a general sense, I won't be one to sleep around, but if other people want to it really is their own business, what two consenting adults do in private is their own business and sex really is a personal thing. Attitudes and values about sex differ very widely, so it isn't my place to judge others based on their sexual habits.

As far as the age of consent goes, that's a really tough subject. People don't mature uniformly, and in my case I felt mature enough for sex when I had my first time a few months ago at 16. I can handle the emotions of sex now, but a year or two ago I wouldn't have been ready to handle the emotions involved with it. That being said, I know some co workers who are 19 or 20 years old, who really can't handle it, and a girl at work who is 14 is definitely mature enough for sex. I guess 16 is probably a good age, as it's when you're considered mature enough to be driving, but then again, that varies from country to country as well.

 

[Danoff]

Voted "pleasure to the max".

I don't think there's anything sacred about sex. But I do think there are a lot of variables to consider. When considering all of those variables, I'm all for you doing whatever makes you happy. If it's going to make you happy to be a porn star (even with all of the baggage that comes with it), you go right ahead. I'm one of these people who think that sex is best in a committed, loving relationship (especially marriage). In my personal experience, that's not only the best sex, but essentially zero baggage.

So "pleasure to the max", meaning, to each their own.

 

[W3H5]

Mrs Shem made me vote.

 

[DK]

I voted for the 3rd option. I think it's ridiculous to restrain a natural activity (if it is consensual) just because you think that it will please any higher power (or stop it from frying you). My own hypothesis for why religions like to control sex is because if you control sex, you control humanity.

 

[Prosthetic]

Pleasure to the max for sure... life is boring otherwise

 

[sumbrownkid]

I don't even think a committed relationship is necessary. Sex can be used as currency or recreation, so long as it's consenting adults - a quick one-night stand, a friend-with-benefits or even a prostitute. Nobody's business.

Using sex as a currency, kind of ruins the magic behind it doesn't it?

Makes you seem cheap...Pathetic...

I come from a conservative family, but I don't care if two people bump uglies...But as currency, kind of sleazy.

I voted abstinence, but that's something I abide by...So far...

 

[Ibonibo]

^ I tell you 5000€/ hour isn't cheap (sarcasm off)

On the minor thing. If they are both + - the same age and both agree I don't see a problem. In todays world some even loose virginity at 12. That surely shocks some, in the same way 16 years old sexaual encounters shocked many in the 70-80's.

Now under 10-12 it can be problematic because of a simply biologic aspect.

What really bugs me and is a much more complicated issue is a sexual relationship between (lets say as an exemple) a minor girl (16) and a 23 year old boy.

I think the law in Belgium is that if the girl is 16 or younger and major needs approval of the parents of the minor.
Germany is the same I think. In general though it is considered publicly much more liberal.
(Luxemburg too)

I like this phrase : "you don't become a men by having sex, be a man before having sex" (internet cookie for those who know from where the reference is from (an TV show)

The most funny thing I saw in the last year was a US attorney trying to sue minors sharing semi-nudes pics of themselves taken by themselves on social networks as pedophily.

On Vince topic:
infidelity: I think that if your urges are so high and that your partner can't give them too you, either masturbate if you love her too much to loose her. Or have the dignity to break up and then fool around.

abuse: In what way? abusing someone in either way is not acceptable for me. Abusing sex? some girls abuse sex as an extorsion tool. Abusing sex as in fetishs is totally ok. Who doesn't have fetishs?

church: Just watching a report on the stand of the catholic church on homosexuality. So idiotic. If they can't marry or have sex (talking catholic here), refuse homosexuality and still rape little boys (rarely hearing of a girl getting raped by a cleric) and then try to cover all up, I think there is something very wrong and not logical about there. Some clerics clearly want to have sexual relationships and or have homosexual tendacies. So hypocrysis much ? I hate hypocrites, so.... As already said in the god thread, I live by some basic religious standards (respect, tolerance, peace) but simply couldn't care about the dogmatism. Popes and cleric are humans, so they make mistake and have as much potential to being a douche or an idiot than anybody else. And taking high moral ground from a book that has been written so long after the actor has died and translated and interpreted so many times is, well you know what I think. That doesn't mean I don't tolerate or respect people living by the standards of the church or the pope, as long as they also tolerate the others too (i would still tolerate them if they do otherwise, but would not be/attend with such people)

Sexually transmittable illnesses: Somethink not to take on the easy shoulder but there are many ways in protecting yourself. Always do it. And if the sexual partner does want to maybe there is something fishy or it is not the right person. I know that some people have urges so high that they don't care. Probably they sneeze once too hard and lost common sense ? (sarcasm there)

 

[lbsf1]

I have a view that in all humans think to much of ourselves, in all we are just slightly more developed animals. Do you see monkeys worrying about moral consequences of having sex at certain ages, and only in loving relationships, no, if they want sex and the other is willing. Then lifes a gooden.

I think that really making laws about having sex after a certain age, is taking away a right. If two people want to have sex then good for them, just let them get on with it.

I think that a more common sense approach is needed, (this approach is needed also for subjects such as drugs in my mind aswell.), you can educate them on the facts of the subject, and if that person wants to do that then that is their choice. If someone is old enough to want to have sex and their partner wants that aswell then good for them, its up to them if they are mature enough. Most of the point of life to me is too learn from your mistakes, if you do something wrong then try to learn from it, telling someone something doesn't have the same effect.


(This probably came out quite rambled as I'm trying to get my point across without repeating myself.)

 

[Pyle_PMG]

Are we deciding upon the actions of another fellow human? Why should we guide another human through the path we want them to go? Why can we not let them decide? It is their life.

 

[Ibonibo]

I think that a more common sense approach is needed, (this approach is needed also for subjects such as drugs in my mind aswell.),

Should be discussed in the other thread, but just BBC reports had the ex counsolor of the Uk, and he gave a pretty awesome take on it (simply put: most laws are not put on scientific grounds, he was fired for saying Horse races are more addictive than weed, laught my behind off)

(/off topic)

 

[Famine]

Using sex as a currency, kind of ruins the magic behind it doesn't it?

Makes you seem cheap...Pathetic...

I come from a conservative family, but I don't care if two people bump uglies...But as currency, kind of sleazy.

And then?


It's none of our business. An adult can do what they want with their body. If they want to be sleazy, what business is it of yours?

 

[Akira AC]

While I vote "Sex is natural, sex is good" I do agree with Famine in the "I don't care" option bit.

I mean, as long as both parties(common agreement and mental maturity) are agreed in what they do, they can do whatever they want, at the time they want, wherever they want. But at the cost of not affecting other people(i.e. unnecessary exhibitionism and stuff).

Besides, one night stands and casual encounters happens all the time, so I don't see where rules applies in that kind of situations.

 

[G.T.Ace]

^-I agree with that.

 

[MatskiMonk]

My vote wouldn't go to any of the options available.

 

[sumbrownkid]

And then?


It's none of our business. An adult can do what they want with their body. If they want to be sleazy, what business is it of yours?

It's not any of my business.

I just think what it is. Am I going around telling people that? No. Unless they ask me personally what I think about what they are doing.

Don't know why you're getting wound up on this, I'm not trying to be an ass.

 

[Prosthetic]

My vote wouldn't go to any of the options available.

Care to elaborate?

 

[terminator363]

I voted pleasure to the max because I'm actually Austin Powers but in all seriousness I'd vote for Sex is natural, sex is good. Yeah Baby....