Shirrako got banned on YouTube for a RDR2 gameplay video

[FoRiZon]

Its the same reason why the torture scene on GTA 5 gain controversy. Its not so much about violence itself as its about the message it giving.

Difference is the GTA 5 is Rockstar's fault. This is Shirakko's.

Good that he's got his channel back though.

 

[Lord Protector]

Just because you can kill anything in a game doesn’t mean that it’s an okay behaviour. You still need to follow YouTube’s terms if you want to upload your videos there.



It doesn’t have to be real in order to promote violence against a group of people. The issue isn’t that an NPC got hurt, the issue is the message it sends to the audience.

Is it okay to kill a bunch of white police officers then? That is okay with the YT rules?? What message does that say???



There are thousands of videos like these on YT, with milions of view. It seems like YT draws the line at the feminism, although it’s perfectly fine with executioning white officers. I say white because his actions could also have been race-motivated. Just like Shirrako’s content was “apparently” gender-motivated.

 

[Carbonox]

Late to the party since he's already reinstated, but my main issue here isn't with the ban itself, it's with that classic fun police VICE freaking out and essentially riling up an outrage mob to mass-flag that thing. It's a sad world when a media outlet is able to potentially ruin someone's livelihood because they're upset with the content.

 

[mustafur]

Just because you can kill anything in a game doesn’t mean that it’s an okay behaviour. You still need to follow YouTube’s terms if you want to upload your videos there.



It doesn’t have to be real in order to promote violence against a group of people. The issue isn’t that an NPC got hurt, the issue is the message it sends to the audience.

The message suggests this game has alot of free will and probably shouldn't be played by minors?

Otherwise your basically saying GTA should be banned because it can influence mass shooters, it's the same argument.

What about the video on Watch dogs called "cleaning the streets" that gives a much worse message imo, but I still have no problem with the video, its a game it's message doesn't matter.

 

[FoRiZon]

Well, judging by how he and his defenders reacted to this, blaming SJWs, acting blissfully unaware of their own context afterwards and not even being brave enough to step up to the plate and admit they went just a little too far, I'll say that he definitely deserved it.

I don't like so-called "SJW"s either, but there's a big difference between being offended over something that's completely not implied, and being upset over someone gleefully killing a character in a video game for the sole blatant reason that they're presented as feminist. They're a feminist, so I'm going to kill them in humiliating ways and describe them using derogatory words, because they're a feminist. Don't pretend that's not the context, that's absolutely what it's supposed to be. It says it right in the titles that that's the reason for this. Just say that you hate women and be done with it.

And yeah, publicly stating you'd kill people in real life because they're feminists, what jokesters... We only said we want to kill people with differing opinions to us, get a sense of humor! Why do we gamers get such a bad reputation, I don't get it.

Worse is that in the game its actually an original, moderate feminist suffrage who campaigning women voting, not the stereotypical SJW modern feminist we have today.

Again it's not the violence. Its how the video set up to be.

 

[eran0004]

Is it okay to kill a bunch of white police officers then?

No, what makes you think that?

There are thousands of videos like these on YT, with milions of view. It seems like YT draws the line at the feminism, although it’s perfectly fine with executioning white officers. I say white because his actions could also have been race-motivated. Just like Shirrako’s content was “apparently” gender-motivated.

Your video doesn't show execution of white police officers. It shows execution of police officers, of which some are white. Hard to show any racial motivation behind that. But that's a side-point, because promoting violence against police officers is equally bad.

Did you report the video?

The message suggests this game has alot of free will and probably shouldn't be played by minors?

Otherwise your basically saying GTA should be banned because it can influence mass shooters, it's the same argument.

No, because YouTube didn't ban the game from being featured in videos. If you upload a GTA video to promote mass shootings, then yes I think that video and possibly your account should be taken down.

What about the video on Watch dogs called "cleaning the streets" that gives a much worse message imo, but I still have no problem with the video, its a game it's message doesn't matter.

I don't know about that video, so I can't comment on it.

It's the message that matters, the form is irrelevant. You can be banned for uploading the wrong text, it doesn't have to be a video showing actual violence.

 

[Shirrako]

We back lads.
Your GT Sport Coverage is safe, some people on here really want to hang me though.
Much love regardless.

 

[FoRiZon]

I think there is more harm in people getting Butthurt about things that are not real.

What is the difference between the Red dead video and this:

You forgot the part where it doesnt attract millions of viewers, has 200k subscribers, and the most importantly monetized.

 

[baldgye]

We back lads.
Your GT Sport Coverage is safe, some people on here really want to hang me though.
Much love regardless.

Thank god I've got access to this wonderful content again;




Thank you so much for what you do.

 

[MatskiMonk]

It's a sad world when a media outlet is able to potentially ruin someone's livelihood because they're upset with the content

Which media outlet was doing that?

edit, re-read your post, I see know what you mean, I shouldn't try and read stuff before my first cup of tea of the day

 

[mustafur]

You forgot the part where it doesnt attract millions of viewers, has 200k subscribers, and the most importantly monetized.

So Viewers = intent?

 

[baldgye]

It's a sad world when a media outlet is able to potentially ruin someone's livelihood because they're upset with the content.

History isn’t something you’ve ever, looked at, is it?

 

[ImaRobot]

Is it okay to kill a bunch of white police officers then? That is okay with the YT rules?? What message does that say???



There are thousands of videos like these on YT, with milions of view. It seems like YT draws the line at the feminism, although it’s perfectly fine with executioning white officers. I say white because his actions could also have been race-motivated. Just like Shirrako’s content was “apparently” gender-motivated.

White officers are the only thing being killed and the video is titled directly at one group and motivitatong and instigating violence and attack directly at that one specific group with more than just a video, but also an implicit message? It doesn’t really look like it, at all. In fact, the very first officer is black not sure how you’re trying to swing it and say he’s targeting white people in the same way that Shirrako is DIRECTLY stating feminists.

I’m not sure how you don’t see the difference really. Upload yourself doing stupid things, that’s fine, but if you’re going to give a direct hate filled message to a very specific demographic then you’re probably going to have a bad time.

 

[queleuleu]

We back lads.
Your GT Sport Coverage is safe, some people on here really want to hang me though.
Much love regardless.

Not from me sorry.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...nce-channel-then-reinstates-with-age-warnings

"Shirrako appears to have celebrated his channel's reinstatement with new videos such as "Deporting A Mexican" and "Beating Up Chinese Man" (neither of which come with warnings). He also thanked "everyone that showed support against this false declaration by YouTube"."

This is next level clickbait titles. At the end, you know there's something wrong with you.

 

[G.T.Ace]

We back lads.
Your GT Sport Coverage is safe, some people on here really want to hang me though.
Much love regardless.

You disgust me and that so many here in this community back that filth you spread gives me a bad feeling about this place.
Would like to know if and why @Jordan tolerates you promoting your channel here.

 

[Lord Protector]

White officers are the only thing being killed and the video is titled directly at one group and motivitatong and instigating violence and attack directly at that one specific group with more than just a video, but also an implicit message? It doesn’t really look like it, at all. In fact, the very first officer is black not sure how you’re trying to swing it and say he’s targeting white people in the same way that Shirrako is DIRECTLY stating feminists.

I’m not sure how you don’t see the difference really. Upload yourself doing stupid things, that’s fine, but if you’re going to give a direct hate filled message to a very specific demographic then you’re probably going to have a bad time.

My bad, I have a really bad monitor at work.

 

[Anathema]

Would like to know if and why @Jordan tolerates you promoting your channel here.

I wasn't aware putting a link to an outside source in a user's signature is proof that the administrator is promoting the content found from that link.

If so, then everyone who has a link in their signature (regardless of the content) needs to have it removed because they are promoting 'unwanted' content.

 

[Scaff]

My bad, I have a really bad monitor at work.

Must be one of the worst monitors ever made, as its quite clear even set to 144p that the very first officer is black (and requires watching the video for a whole second).

 

[ImaRobot]

My bad, I have a really bad monitor at work.

Must be one of the worst monitors ever made, as its quite clear even set to 144p that the very first officer is black (and requires watching the video for a whole second).

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Was your monitor so bad that it also didn’t let you watch the rest of the video?

only the very opening scene depicts “white officers being killed” even though the majority seem to be black. Hell the whole video depicts nothing of the sort yet you constantly keep posting it and pretending it’s even remotely the same thing.

I have a feeling you literally didn’t even watch it.

I wasn't aware putting a link to an outside source in a user's signature is proof that the administrator is promoting the content found from that link.

If so, then everyone who has a link in their signature (regardless of the content) needs to have it removed because they are promoting 'unwanted' content.

That’s not what was said. He didn’t say Jordan is promoting it, but more so Wondering why it’s allowing it to be promoted.

 

[ImaRobot]

Dp

 

[Lord Protector]

Was your monitor so bad that it also didn’t let you watch the rest of the video?

only the very opening scene depicts “white officers being killed” even though the majority seem to be black. Hell the whole video depicts nothing of the sort yet you constantly keep posting it and pretending it’s even remotely the same thing.

I have a feeling you literally didn’t even watch it.


That’s not what was said. He didn’t say Jordan is promoting it, but more so Wondering why it’s allowing it to be promoted.

I never watched the video. I was only talking about the thumbnail, as you were talking about title of Shirrako's video. Both were custom filled. And yes, it is a bad monitor, especially the colors are very off.

 

[G.T.Ace]

I wasn't aware putting a link to an outside source in a user's signature is proof that the administrator is promoting the content found from that link.

If so, then everyone who has a link in their signature (regardless of the content) needs to have it removed because they are promoting 'unwanted' content.

Reading comprehension is not your strength I guess.

 

[TetsuKobura]

Here's an idea, if you don't like it, boycott YouTube.

...

But you won't, because they provide you with a free service with unparalleled amounts of content anywhere you have a suitable device, and even generates some of you an income.

There are lots of better reasons to boycott YouTube at the moment. A video like this should be far down the list and nowhere near prioritized.

You disgust me and that so many here in this community back that filth you spread gives me a bad feeling about this place.
Would like to know if and why @Jordan tolerates you promoting your channel here.

If people don't want to see this type of stuff it's pretty easy: don't watch it, or better yet, whine at the developers to make an update where the feminist is invincible, since the mob mentality can get anything accomplished nowadays. It's an RPG VIDEO GAME. That means one can play the game HOW THEY SEE FIT. This has been true for RPGs for a very long time and is still the same today.

 

[novcze]

We back lads.

I will not boost your views because I don't usually watch how other people play videogames, but I will boost your subscribers number.

 

[ImaRobot]

I never watched the video. I was only talking about the thumbnail, as you were talking about title of Shirrako's video. Both were custom filled. And yes, it is a bad monitor, especially the colors are very off.

ok.

There are lots of better reasons to boycott YouTube at the moment. A video like this should be far down the list and nowhere near prioritized.

Well good thing that it was said as YouTube as a whole rather than this one video, right? Whatever the reason they’d chose, the point is that it’s boycotted in general, that there’s better reasons shouldn’t matter at that point.

If people don't want to see this type of stuff it's pretty easy: don't watch it, or better yet, whine at the developers to make an update where the feminist is invincible, since the mob mentality can get anything accomplished nowadays. It's an RPG VIDEO GAME. That means one can play the game HOW THEY SEE FIT. This has been true for RPGs for a very long time and is still the same today.

I’m also free to go around and be a racists and say things as such, as I see fit. That doesn’t mean I’m free of the consequences.

Uploading implicit videos with a direct message is not the fault of the creators of the game. They are not a forcing hand here so it’s ridiculous for people to imply any blame in that direction. They are not responsible for the words and acts of any individual just because any individual chooses to use their game as some sort of outlet for hate/discrimination.

 

[baldgye]

There are thousands of videos like these on YT

I never watched the video.

 

[Snorevette]

To the 'it's just a videogame!' crowd:

In this context, it isn't just a videogame - it's a video that hundreds of people are meant to watch and engage with. What if it was an animation based solely around beating up feminists? What about a TV show where the only 'joke' is that feminists get beat up? What if I published a book titled '100 ways to beat up a feminist'? Would you then be saying 'well, it's okay, they can write whatever they want, it's not like it REALLY promotes violence'?

To the 'YouTube takes this down but keeps other horrible videos up!' crowd:

It's hardly a secret to anyone that YouTube's content policy is about as consistent as the contents of a Taco Bell bathroom. YouTube's failure to remove certain videos and channels is not an automatic excuse for other videos/channels to remain untouched.

To the 'It goes against freedom of speech!' crowd:

Nope

 

[MatskiMonk]

There are lots of better reasons to boycott YouTube at the moment. A video like this should be far down the list and nowhere near prioritized.

Social media moderation is becoming a big issue, I'd rather YouTube responded like this and then took a step back, rather than ignoring it on the basis there's worse things out there.

I was being somewhat facetious when I suggested boycotting YouTube, it's a free service, if you're on either side of the argument and think YouTube are in the wrong just stop voluntarily receiving their service, and stop choosing to be offended by their actions.

I personally wasn't offended by the video, or the reaction, but 98% of gaming content on YouTube is just **** anyway, the world would never miss shirrako's content, or 1000 of other channels like it, so it's a storm over nothing IMHO.

 

[Joey D]

In this context, it isn't just a videogame - it's a video that hundreds of people are meant to watch and engage with. What if it was an animation based solely around beating up feminists? What about a TV show where the only 'joke' is that feminists get beat up? What if I published a book titled '100 ways to beat up a feminist'? Would you then be saying 'well, it's okay, they can write whatever they want, it's not like it REALLY promotes violence'?

Yes, I'd say they could do whatever they want. Saying, writing, or playing a game that does something violent isn't violent nor it is an issue. No one is getting hurt. If someone acts on it, then it's a different issue. If they can't distinguish between fantasy and reality, that's also an issue. If you don't like that sort of content, it's pretty easy to avoid it. Pretty much all forms of media now have some sort of warning or description on them, it's up to the individual to get informed on what the media is about before watching, reading, or playing it.

Bottom line is, it goes back to people taking responsibility for themselves. If you don't want to watch digital feminists get beat up, then don't watch it. If you do, more power to you.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Quote from Vice article three days ago:

Shirrako said that most people are aware the video is a joke, and that he's aware that others have posted toxic comments, while others are deeply offended by the video.

"I mean obviously I don't agree with the sexist comments, but there is not much I can do about them, I don't like censoring people's opinions, regardless if I like them or not," they said.

And now, Eurogamer:

Shirrako appears to have celebrated his channel's reinstatement with new videos such as "Deporting A Mexican" and "Beating Up Chinese Man" (neither of which come with warnings). He also thanked "everyone that showed support against this false declaration by YouTube".

If you're going to play dumb, it takes real conviction to forget there will be a record of doing it.