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You get corrected and you take it personally?
Should PD have let the modding slide? ... OP Updated.
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You get corrected and you take it personally?
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PepeMickey
No that wasn't my intention. I don't need to look superior. I was just correcting a few misunderstandings. A lot of people get confused with the TOS. Let's be honest at first glance the TOS agreement is really confusing. I was simply trying to help you better understand it. Why are you so quick to make assumptions? I didn't have a tone or anything with you. May have looked like that but I didn't.
iainoflo85
People are too quick to make assumptions that's all it is bro. Just trying to help him better understand where the TOS applies to him. But he read my post probably under assumption and as a result got the wrong impression of what I was trying to say
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I love how you're being a victim all of a sudden. Do yourself a favor and learn how to handle being wrong.
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- voodoovaj
In this matter, the legality is irrelevant. Whether the program to mod was inside or outside the game is irrelevant. Even the discussion about the cheating griefers and DLC pirates only serves to cloud the real issue.
What matters is that there is a better, more balanced game under the hood than the game we have been presented through the UI. The game we have is statistically the same as the hidden game with some minor exceptions.
The game we were delivered has a few outlier cars that statistically should not make an impact. However, a game is played by very clever people. We have found the outlier cars (LFA, Elise, etc, etc, etc) and those are the dominant cars of the game. If the integrity of the game was allowed to persist through (I'm talking about the additional weight loss and power mods) the game would have more depth and more balance.
What we also discovered through this mod experience is that part swapping also made the game deeper and more balanced with the additional benefit of an exponential increase in variety and long term appeal.
As mentioned, the cat is out of the bag. Why is Sony allowing PD to try and jam it back in?
In regards to the stage 5 weight and engine mods. It would take very little effort to finish those features and give everyone an infinite amount of tickets to use. In regards to the latter, it's not that hard to sanction the mod tool and build in limits so that cheating and DLC hacks can't happen.
Heck, we all have accounts at granturismo.com so make it part of the online interface.
What matters is that there is a better, more balanced game under the hood than the game we have been presented through the UI. The game we have is statistically the same as the hidden game with some minor exceptions.
The game we were delivered has a few outlier cars that statistically should not make an impact. However, a game is played by very clever people. We have found the outlier cars (LFA, Elise, etc, etc, etc) and those are the dominant cars of the game. If the integrity of the game was allowed to persist through (I'm talking about the additional weight loss and power mods) the game would have more depth and more balance.
What we also discovered through this mod experience is that part swapping also made the game deeper and more balanced with the additional benefit of an exponential increase in variety and long term appeal.
As mentioned, the cat is out of the bag. Why is Sony allowing PD to try and jam it back in?
In regards to the stage 5 weight and engine mods. It would take very little effort to finish those features and give everyone an infinite amount of tickets to use. In regards to the latter, it's not that hard to sanction the mod tool and build in limits so that cheating and DLC hacks can't happen.
Heck, we all have accounts at granturismo.com so make it part of the online interface.
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- Starky513
Imagine that... You lose an argument so you take it personally. 👍
Should I out you on my blocklist just because you're disagreeing with my opinion?
An eye for an eye right?
WOW, grow up dude, it will all be ok.
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Ill admit I was fully against hybrids but in order to discuss this I tried them and I found even though they are against the tos they did throw sone awesome options.
Now having said that I have noticed alot of anti hybrid comments but I feel its mostly for the sake of fighting and following the herd.
Its to bad it cant be discussed rationally.
Now having said that I have noticed alot of anti hybrid comments but I feel its mostly for the sake of fighting and following the herd.
Its to bad it cant be discussed rationally.
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I'm with you on this, Ivy... Except, I'm not against hybrids from the start, I particularly like the engine swaps that adhered to the PP rules. I mean who doesn't want to drive a GT86 with a engine swap from an AE86 made famous by a popular manga...
Too bad, some individuals failed to realized that 100,000+ HP and some extra aftermarket parts, especially the "super soft" tires are still there. Instead, they kept on bashing the hybrid community about the TOS. Facepalm
That's all I can say really and you guys have my support.
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Im sorry guys, but, Im going to have to unsub. from the thread.... getting very annoying now.
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- LVracerGT
Agreed, but I wasn't blaming anyone. Just pointing out an observation.
It's posts like this that get the flame wars started. Why even post something like that? Even if that was a serious question, the search tool would have answered that, negating the post all together.
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Someone made a point earlier about legality being irrelevant in justifying PD's action with the recent anti mod patch, and I completely agree with that point; as much as we are legally able to modify our saves as we wish, PD is free to block use of said saves on their online services. It's kind of a pissy argument, you know, "my ball, my rules" and what not, but it is what it is.
But the point was expounded upon as if the almighty Kaz saw that his creation was becoming unfair and unbalanced, and he smote the infidels to preserve the precious virginal racers' integrity.
But wait, special parts are still abound (rocking some CH[C] tires myself), grip multiplier is here to stay, I can still bypass real work to up my level and credits, and there are multiple vehicles that still can be visually modified outside the parameters of the UI..
I hate to be a sore loser, but I am not ashamed to say that as a player that was interested in building nice drift cars, sensible stancers, and replicas of photographed vehicles, I never even considered entering them in races, online or seasonal, because I simply thought they could potentially present an unfair advantage.
But as much as I hate being a sore loser, I can't stand smug winners...to the gloaters, I understand your spec races or time trials or whatever were getting infiltrated by trolls that happened to pick a hybrid as their weapon du jour. I and a host of other players would have liked nothing more than for PD to make some sort of hybrid marker so that regulations could be set, or cheating could be verified via replay(like something as simple as red characters on lap time like on non ghost generating practice laps)...but PD's actions were not some homage to satiate your butthurtedness, they were to to satiate some manufacturers' butthurtedness(my gut still tells me Ferrari) and ensure their license in an upcoming GT game.
So hopefully PD took the hint, variable rim widths/offsets, wider range of suspension adjustment(including caster), reasonable(read as manufacturer specific, sorry LS1 fans) engine swaps, and the ability to remove spoilers for GT6..anything less let's me know that maybe its Fanatec and Forza time( and this is from someone that would literally refuse a free Xbox360).
But the point was expounded upon as if the almighty Kaz saw that his creation was becoming unfair and unbalanced, and he smote the infidels to preserve the precious virginal racers' integrity.
But wait, special parts are still abound (rocking some CH[C] tires myself), grip multiplier is here to stay, I can still bypass real work to up my level and credits, and there are multiple vehicles that still can be visually modified outside the parameters of the UI..
I hate to be a sore loser, but I am not ashamed to say that as a player that was interested in building nice drift cars, sensible stancers, and replicas of photographed vehicles, I never even considered entering them in races, online or seasonal, because I simply thought they could potentially present an unfair advantage.
But as much as I hate being a sore loser, I can't stand smug winners...to the gloaters, I understand your spec races or time trials or whatever were getting infiltrated by trolls that happened to pick a hybrid as their weapon du jour. I and a host of other players would have liked nothing more than for PD to make some sort of hybrid marker so that regulations could be set, or cheating could be verified via replay(like something as simple as red characters on lap time like on non ghost generating practice laps)...but PD's actions were not some homage to satiate your butthurtedness, they were to to satiate some manufacturers' butthurtedness(my gut still tells me Ferrari) and ensure their license in an upcoming GT game.
So hopefully PD took the hint, variable rim widths/offsets, wider range of suspension adjustment(including caster), reasonable(read as manufacturer specific, sorry LS1 fans) engine swaps, and the ability to remove spoilers for GT6..anything less let's me know that maybe its Fanatec and Forza time( and this is from someone that would literally refuse a free Xbox360).
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Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood dimm'd tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
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Might be time to put a lid on this.
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood dimm'd tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
- W.B.Yeats
Might be time to put a lid on this.
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I imagine the discussion will just eventually transfer over to the other hybrid related threads.
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- LVracerGT
Because if you have, then you'd realize that not all of the site has "dwindling intelligence."
It's ironic that you call out my post as being flame bait, because your post about "dwindling intelligence" is just that.
Because if I have what? I don't get what you're saying. It doesn't make any sense from my post you're responding to. And my comment wasn't flame bait, you evidently have taken it as such. I was stating an observation of a back and forth that was going on earlier in the discussion, along with other threads I have been following that lead me to that opinion.
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That's it... unsubbed.
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Being choked by all the irony.
This thread might just need to be closed now. Any useful discussion has been shoved aside by angry users on different sides of the hybrid boundary line.
Now everybody's just getting mad at each other over something that PD more than likely aren't about to change.
This thread might just need to be closed now. Any useful discussion has been shoved aside by angry users on different sides of the hybrid boundary line.
Now everybody's just getting mad at each other over something that PD more than likely aren't about to change.
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You're the one who came into the thread posting nothing else but vague flame bait. I don't see why you think you can do that, then turn around and complain about 1241Penguin's comparatively benign post, and then act surprised when people point out the irony.Now add maturity to my statement.
I'm done here. Shame because this is my buddies thread. I'm not gonna deal with people that have nothing better to do than nit pick people's posts to start wars.
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