Should PD have let the modding slide? ... OP Updated.

[Dan]

You were funny until the "degrading yourselves" part, I can give you some classes on how to troll but you'll have to study hard for your tests, no copying or cheating in my school.

I'm not the one trying to troll all the time. I don't think those classes are necessary for me. It would be a waste of time.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Imagine what everyone would think towards the legitimate hybriding community if they were forced to read this post... bravo. Read every word and completely and thoroughly enjoyed it. That's how an argument is won.

Just delusional, that's all.

 

[Lock2Lock]

I love the "How am I doing this or that, (Wait I am not)" That's very clever thing to say.

It is actually. Reason is because your lack of knowledge on the subject of hybriding is full of false facts and assumptions.

Anyway putting everyone's childishness aside, Back on topic.

It is funny how you say that, because in your last few posts you have resorted to childish name calling. Remember how you called me a cheater and a thief? Well just like a child does, you have called me names without PROOF of it.

PD Does not/have not every said to go ahead and mod GT5 cars. This is why they fixed it. I don't know what I'm talking about. Yet I haven't seen any correct statements from you either Zachery.
I assumed you were using a hacked PS3 to try and break into GT5 to do those tire swaps etc. All I said was keep it unsuccessful.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. First you make assumptions about what PD has actually patched. Second you assume that me and many others are using hybrids to cheat (when infact if you knew what you are talking about you would see that PD patched the people with legitimate cars and left the cheating people in the game still. So who needs to get their facts striaght? You, not me. Also you have called me a thief with no valid proof of it (once again showing you have no clue to what you are talking about).
You make assumptions on how i am not a legit player which is completely false. When i explained to you on how i have never cheated you with your childish arrogance state that i am.
You have no idea on what hybrinding is or how to do it (which is ok, i do not care that you do not want to hybrid. Good for you, I am not hating you for not doing it). With that said you continue to make assumptions/false facts about how to do it.
Also so why why would anyone take you serious?

Where you people seem to want modding/hacking cars to return another majority of us wishes the complete opposite.. You guys don't have to immature and pathetic online to try and insult someone. Grow up. Be a man for once in your lives. This thread should be locked since it just supports modding/hacking of GT5.

Well actually some of us would like hybriding to exist. What you do not get most people on here don't care about them (as in don't mind them being in the game) as long as it is within the PP restristions.

Ouch sir.. Harsh..







Really because you're doing a great job of doing a better job with your comments.

Hummmmm lets see. I have not one time posted any false facts/Assumptions about anyone here.
I actually know what i am talking about when it comes to hybriding (how you may ask? PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

Hybriding will never happen without the ones who want to abuse it. Some use it for engine swaps, However there are other additional options that can be added grip, braking, etc. Understand?

Yeah i do understand. I have agreed with you on this subject of unrealistic modds that are cheating (which once again are still in the game thanks to PD's half 🤬 update). So are you going to continue to say i'm cheating when most of the community (including people that make realistic hybrids) say we are against the ones you hate too? Or are you just going to continue to talk about your false facts about the subject?

Again I'm not trying to insult unless in retaliation. Know when you shouldn't comment rudely.

Funny how you say that when your last few posts to me you have called me a cheater, thief. I for one didn't call you anything. Only thing i did was try to help you better understand the topic at hand. But instead of listening, you decided to call me things to which i am not and make assumptions.


I have no problem having a reasonable conversation with someone (like i was trying to do). You cross the line when you start calling me something i am not. I am a very reasonable person. I try to help out people if i can (like i was trying to do by just simply letting you know fact from fiction about this topic). Whether you were actually reading what i was telling you or getting it confused, i do not know. I never was trying to insult you (which you did to me). I will not tollerate you stating false facts about me. I am a adult (from what you have said you are too) so show me the same respect respect. If you can't do that do not even talk to me. Because all you are showing me is that you are not a adult.

 

[MOTORTRENDmitch]

Just delusional, that's all.

Keeping it mature I see?
The guy types that whole thing, with facts behind everything he says, no insults, no personal attacks, nothing of the sort. You reply with that? Why waste your time, or more importantly ours. If you have nothing but that to say, you know you've lost.

 

[Dan]

We will put up a show just for you guys to relief your depression, that's how good we are.

Well, laughter is the best medicine. And we are the only ones laughing. Bye-bye now.

 

[MOTORTRENDmitch]

Let's keep the personal attacks to a minimal.. We're talking about a game after all.

Well, laughter is the best medicine. And we are the only ones laughing. Bye-bye now.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Keeping it mature I see?
The guy types that whole thing, with facts behind everything he says, no insults, no personal attacks, nothing of the sort. You reply with that? Why waste your time, or more importantly ours. If you have nothing but that to say, you know you've lost.

I read his post, I don't agree with most of it.

My comment was about you and your attitude.

There is NOTHING legitimate about used a hacked car from a corrupted game save file. NOTHING!

But you make it sound like it is all flowers and poneys.

"Legitimate hybriding community" my 🤬.

 

[Eks]

I think by "legitimate hybriding," he meant those who make realistic hybrids.

But, I don't think legitimate was the best word. Nothing legitimate about hybrids because they're hacked.

 

[AiYuna]

It is actually. Reason is because your lack of knowledge on the subject of hybriding is full of false facts and assumptions.



It is funny how you say that, because in your last few posts you have resorted to childish name calling. Remember how you called me a cheater and a thief? Well just like a child does, you have called me names without PROOF of it.



You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. First you make assumptions about what PD has actually patched. Second you assume that me and many others are using hybrids to cheat (when infact if you knew what you are talking about you would see that PD patched the people with legitimate cars and left the cheating people in the game still. So who needs to get their facts striaght? You, not me. Also you have called me a thief with no valid proof of it (once again showing you have no clue to what you are talking about).
You make assumptions on how i am not a legit player which is completely false. When i explained to you on how i have never cheated you with your childish arrogance state that i am.
You have no idea on what hybrinding is or how to do it (which is ok, i do not care that you do not want to hybrid. Good for you, I am not hating you for not doing it). With that said you continue to make assumptions/false facts about how to do it.
Also so why why would anyone take you serious?



Well actually some of us would like hybriding to exist. What you do not get most people on here don't care about them (as in don't mind them being in the game) as long as it is within the PP restristions.



Hummmmm lets see. I have not one time posted any false facts/Assumptions about anyone here.
I actually know what i am talking about when it comes to hybriding (how you may ask? PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.



Yeah i do understand. I have agreed with you on this subject of unrealistic modds that are cheating (which once again are still in the game thanks to PD's half 🤬 update). So are you going to continue to say i'm cheating when most of the community (including people that make realistic hybrids) say we are against the ones you hate too? Or are you just going to continue to talk about your false facts about the subject?



Funny how you say that when your last few posts to me you have called me a cheater, thief. I for one didn't call you anything. Only thing i did was try to help you better understand the topic at hand. But instead of listening, you decided to call me things to which i am not and make assumptions.


I have no problem having a reasonable conversation with someone (like i was trying to do). You cross the line when you start calling me something i am not. I am a very reasonable person. I try to help out people if i can (like i was trying to do by just simply letting you know fact from fiction about this topic). Whether you were actually reading what i was telling you or getting it confused, i do not know. I never was trying to insult you (which you did to me). I will not tollerate you stating false facts about me. I am a adult (from what you have said you are too) so show me the same respect respect. If you can't do that do not even talk to me. Because all you are showing me is that you are not a adult.

I see a lot of repeating in what you're saying in just one post.. To make it simple. It was my assumption yes when I figured that you were using a hacked PS3 to try and use these Tires with others.

Hacked PS3s are used for cheating, stealing content or games etc. That's where it came from just make it a simple question for one. I apologize if You are in fact NOT using or owning a Hacked PS3. I do know you may be good with computers in certain ways so that is why I assumed. So yeah there's your answer. No you're right I'm not an adult. However I'm not afraid of standing up to people who hid behind a keyboard on a forum who think they are dangerous. Simply put. I don't even feel like replying to your comments anymore to be honest. No disrespect just a little bored of the aggressive people on these forums.

 

[AiYuna]

I think by "legitimate hybriding," he meant those who make realistic hybrids.

But, I don't think legitimate was the best word. Nothing legitimate about hybrids because they're hacked.

EXACTLY. This is why PD will not condone Mod/hacks. This is why it was patched to a certain extent. YES random people we are aware that the 1000000000000000000000000000 hp cars. We get it.

But yeah anyway that's basically what I was saying and wraps up everything in one little sentence. +10

 

[Lock2Lock]

I see a lot of repeating in what you're saying in just one post.. To make it simple. It was my assumption yes when I figured that you were using a hacked PS3 to try and use these Tires with others.

Hacked PS3s are used for cheating, stealing content or games etc. That's where it came from just make it a simple question for one. I apologize if You are in fact NOT using or owning a Hacked PS3. I do know you may be good with computers in certain ways so that is why I assumed. So yeah there's your answer. No you're right I'm not an adult. However I'm not afraid of standing up to people who hid behind a keyboard on a forum who think they are dangerous. Simply put. I don't even feel like replying to your comments anymore to be honest. No disrespect just a little bored of the aggressive people on these forums.

I agree with you on the jail broken PS3 thing. I do thank you for the apology. I am sorry if i came off harsh onto to you. Please understand that was not my intention. My first intention was to help you better understand what the difference between the people who hybrid realiscally and the ones who do it just to cheat.

I only get harsh when people make assumptions and call me things that i am infact not. I don't care if you are a adult or not. As long as you are mature i have no problem with you ragardless of your age.

👍

Like i said i am sorry if i came off the wrong way or you felt that i was trying to insult you. Please understand that was not my intention. For that i am sorry.👍

Do me a favor. Read that PM i sent to you a minute ago.

 

[thelvynau]

No disrespect just a little bored of the aggressive people on these forums.

Ummmm bye?

When you thrust you opinion down people throats and call people a liar and a thief you tend to get some defensive responses.

 

[AiYuna]

I agree with you on the jail broken PS3 thing. I do thank you for the apology. I am sorry if i came off harsh onto to you. Please understand that was not my intention. My first intention was to help you better understand what the difference between the people who hybrid realiscally and the ones who do it just to cheat.

I only get harsh when people make assumptions and call me things that i am infact not. I don't care if you are a adult or not. As long as you are mature i have no problem with you ragardless of your age.

👍

Like i said i am sorry if i came off the wrong way or you felt that i was trying to insult you. Please understand that was not my intention. For that i am sorry.👍

Do me a favor. Read that PM i sent to you a minute ago.

lol I agree. Too bad not many others can say things like that. 👍

Ummmm bye?

When you thrust you opinion down people throats and call people a liar and a thief you tend to get some defensive responses.

"Ummmmmm bye?" I can admit the same applies for some's maturity. It was already solved let it go. Don't start unnecessary conflict when it was already fixed.


lol my 86th post Toyota's Best year for the Corolla. That's got to be good for some kind of luck lol

 

[thelvynau]

Just stating expect repercussions if you insult people.

 

[Hei]

I like the 1983 and the 1987 Corolla better.

 

[Eks]

Wrong thread?

 

[Team THRT Drift]

Wrong thread?

No, he's replying to AiYuna

 

[Eks]

Oh, I didn't see that part.

 

[Team THRT Drift]

Oh, I didn't see that part.

Yeah, he lost me too for a bit...

 

[Lock2Lock]

lol I agree. Too bad not many others can say things like that. 👍

👍

Just stating expect repercussions if you insult people.

It's all good.

We both apologized to each other. Cleared a lot of things up in the process.

No hard feelings, all good.

 

[Lion-Face]

I assume you are aware that hybriding has been a part of the GT series from the beginning. There's an entire forum on GTP for it right here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=13 Call me crazy but it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out that it would appear in GT5 at some point and if I as a stooge from Canada can figure that out, surely Kaz and PD can figure that out too. Frankly I think it took longer than it should have, given the massive talent out there who like to do this kind of stuff. PD should have been well prepared for this and had a strategy in place and ready to go. They got caught with their pants down because of poor planning and underestimating the ingenuity and love people have for this game and nothing else.

If I remember right, GT5 save file was originally copy protected. Preventing all kinds of shenanigans that have come about since removing that protection. Duplicating cars etc. PD listened to the community to remove the copy lock and the community? Bites the hand.

Men in particular have been modding or souping up cars or whatever you want to call it, for 100 years probably. The first automobile race was 118 years ago and we've been modifying cars ever since. It's only natural that it should be a bigger part of GT5, supposedly the industry leader in driving simulation. Forza does a far better job in this respect and we laugh at Forza.

In their own back yard, Men can continue to tinker till their hearts content (offline). Just can't bring their tinkering to a race with rules and regs (online)

I assume you can agree with all of that. I understand your objection was and remains that hybriding was done outside the parameters of the game and that it wasn't available to everyone, stuff was hidden making cheating possible etc. All of us, especially they realistic hybriders can understand that and we accept that because there are a few bad apples, we can sometimes be painted with the same brush. Really we do get that, but you also must accept that those of us that were operating within the usual parameters of GT5 or offline, creating fun cars to drive with cool sounds and more effective handling and gearboxes, without trying to cheat the system, are going to object to being called cheaters right? We see ourselves as innovators and creators, modifying cars for our own enjoyment, not to take away anyone else's enjoyment, including your own. We all agree that cars with outrageous amounts of horsepower dont' belong in the game.

It's not necessarily about the outrageous horsepower. Take an F40. One driver, not using hacks tunes his car however GT5 allows. Then take another driver, in an F40, using hacks, doesn't alter the cars power but improves it's handling to enhance cornering beyond what GT5 allows, as could be done in real life. That makes a fair race because it's based on something that could be realistically done in real life?

You must also understand what a golden opportunity this was for PD to introduce an exciting new concept to the game, how easy it would have been to pick up the ball and run with it. The introduction of multiple levels of sorting parameters in lobbies would have completely solved the problem. They could have done what other game makers have done and brought the modders into the fold to help design new software to make the game more exciting, more playable, extend it's life way beyond what it is now, which is almost dead. As it is, they created a complete fustercluck now. All the worst parts of hybriding remain, including the dreaded 2500 hp/550pp monster cars along with the 100,000 hp X1's. This is the worst of all possible solutions.

Not really. High HP monsters are easily spotted during a race and can be fixed easily with a swift kick to the offending player. Someone who adjusted the handling of a car is much more of a subtle enhancement that isn't obvious and can't easily be proven.

PD haven't taken away Hybriding. They have just given players a choice. Play by the rules of the game and you can play as you always have. Or keep on Hybriding and keep it in your own back yard (offline)

Also, PD had to do something against this. If they left this kind of cheating open, and then another form came along, how can they legitimately say, you can cheat the game this way, but not that way?

I never tried the hybrids, it's not something I'm interested in. I'm not against them or people playing with them, I just don't want to see them online.

 

[Hei]

Grip and Hp affect pp. I am still following the rules of an online room at 500pp in my MR2, though now it is more competitive.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I actually agree with you strongly that was actually a very marvelous example of how a postivie arguement should be. No insults, no rude comments etc. I greatly respect that.

Anyway you're right however we don't know exactly what's going on at PD. We don't know exactly what they are working on, what most of their time is being used for in tems of GT6 or w/e other projects are gong on at PD. ....snip...

Look at drifting for example. I had hard time finding Drifters who highspeed drift also. But with that modding stuff going on It was everywhere. A certain team who will not be named used a Grip multiplier to cheat wins every time.
My point now is, How exactly could PD limit and make this modding fair.

Thanks for the response. You're right we don't know what's going on at PD, but I think we can put the lack of $$$ argument on the shelf. I'm sure they are in full on GT6 mode and don't really care much about GT5 at this point. The money has already been made and they'll do as little as possible at this point, which is what they are doing obviously.

I can't comment on drifting because I know nothing about it, but I do know that any problems with hybrids, be it in drifting, drag racing or circuit racing can be solved with a simple HYBRIDS YES/NO toggle in setting up open lobbies. The opportunity was there to include it in the game and instead PD chose to leave the worst part of hybriding in, and get rid of the most positive aspects of it.

I would think that being able to open lobbies and prevent hybrids from entering would make you and most non-hybriders happy.

Imagine what everyone would think towards the legitimate hybriding community if they were forced to read this post... bravo. Read every word and completely and thoroughly enjoyed it. That's how an argument is won.

Thanks Mitch.👍👍

In their own back yard, Men can continue to tinker till their hearts content (offline). Just can't bring their tinkering to a race with rules and regs (online)

It's not necessarily about the outrageous horsepower. Take an F40. One driver, not using hacks tunes his car however GT5 allows. Then take another driver, in an F40, using hacks, doesn't alter the cars power but improves it's handling to enhance cornering beyond what GT5 allows, as could be done in real life. That makes a fair race because it's based on something that could be realistically done in real life?

Not really. High HP monsters are easily spotted during a race and can be fixed easily with a swift kick to the offending player. Someone who adjusted the handling of a car is much more of a subtle enhancement that isn't obvious and can't easily be proven.

PD haven't taken away Hybriding. They have just given players a choice. Play by the rules of the game and you can play as you always have. Or keep on Hybriding and keep it in your own back yard (offline)

Also, PD had to do something against this. If they left this kind of cheating open, and then another form came along, how can they legitimately say, you can cheat the game this way, but not that way?

I never tried the hybrids, it's not something I'm interested in. I'm not against them or people playing with them, I just don't want to see them online.

As far as the F40's are concerned see my comments above about an ON/OFF for allowing hybrids. You're right though, under the current system if hybrids were allowed, you could easily adjust the grip of one F40 in an F40 exclusive race and gain a grip advantage. However, to get the grip advantage in a PP limited race, you'd have to give up HP. Whether that benefits you or not you can't say at this point.

As far as subtle changes to cars, the PP system took care of that. I built more than 75 hyrbrids, each one an attempt to capitalize on motors, chassis, weight, downforce, grip, tranny and anything else I could think of and I could not beat the PP system. I could not build a car that was faster than the current fastest cars at the usual PP levels of 450/500 etc. If you add grip you lose HP to maintain PP. Want downforce? No problem, give up some grip and/or HP. There was nothing you could do that didn't affect PP.

I built many great cars, great fun to drive, great sound, great handling, 7 gears, they were an absolute blast to drive and race online. But they weren't any faster than the NSX's, the Elises, the LFA's etc. In fact nothing I built was as fast as any of those cars and I have a decent grip on tuning in this game.

In short, as I and others have said dozens of times, outside of the outrageously powered cars which you say were easy to spot and therefore not a problem, the PP system worked beautifully with hybrids, even with hidden grip multipliers. All it did was make 100 cars competitive at each PP level instead of 1 or 2 or 3. Does it really matter if I pull up in front of you on the grid and win a race in an Elise or a 69' Vette or a 71' Mustang?

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Grip and Hp affect pp. I am still following the rules of an online room at 500pp in my MR2, though now it is more competitive.

By "more competitive", you mean faster, right? That is the point! You have taken the car and made it faster than it should be.

I have lots of fast 5 speeds in the 400 to 450pp range. So many times, running up the hill after turn one, at Monaco, I wished I'd had a 6 speed. WOW now I can (cheat and get one).

 

[Johnnypenso]

By more competitive, you mean faster, right? That is the point! You have taken the car and made it faster than it should be.

I have lots of fast 5 speeds in the 400 to 450pp range. So many times, running up the hill after turn one, at Monaco, I wished I'd had a 6 speed. WOW now I can (cheat and get one).

He's taken a car that was uncompetitive at 500pp and made it competitive. It won't be as fast as an Elise or an NSX but if it's done right it'll be in the ballpark and competitive with many other good handling cars. The PD version of the car is probably 2 or more seconds off the pace at most tracks and therefore a completely useless car for racing unless you want to finish in the back. I fail to see the difference if he lines up with an NSX or an Elise like 3/4 of the grid will because they are the "right" car at 500PP. or a hybrided MR2. What is the problem with making more cars competitive at every PP level?

 

[Hei]

He's taken a car that was uncompetitive at 500pp and made it competitive. It won't be as fast as an Elise or an NSX but if it's done right it'll be in the ballpark and competitive with many other good handling cars. The PD version of the car is probably 2 or more seconds off the pace at most tracks and therefore a completely useless car for racing unless you want to finish in the back. I fail to see the difference if he lines up with an NSX or an Elise like 3/4 of the grid will because they are the "right" car at 500PP. or a hybrided MR2. What is the problem with making more cars competitive at every PP level?

Thank you.

 

[iainoflo85]

What is the problem with making more cars competitive at every PP level?

I fail to see what's bad about that. I mean that's what the 2.10 patch was an attempt at doing by PD, but they made the game more imbalanced.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

He's taken a car that was uncompetitive at 500pp and made it competitive...

That is the point. He has done what I can't. He has done what most normal people would not do, and that is hack a game save or violate PSN's ToS.

And if you plan on not updating to 2.12(lost track of that list) what difference does it make how competitive your cars are? Who the hell are you racing?
You people are much more of a minority than you think.

community

Oh No I am so mad I just need to shut up!

 

[Hei]

I did update though. I just see nothing wrong with varying the field. All I see is R1's, NSX's,Elises and BMW CSL's at this pp.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Hei, it is just not up to you to say.

I feel your pain.