Should PD have let the modding slide? ... OP Updated.

[arora]

It is up to PD to say, and they did. We all know this surely by now?

I'm curious how many hoping or suggesting that PD come out with much more customizing options in gt6 realize that no mater what the game offers people will still want to monkey around outside of the normal playing parameters.

The taboo, or exploration is a large part of the allure and that will never go away.

 

[MeanElf]

Nice Cheech Marin avatar

 

[MXH]

Um.. PD doesn't even have the money to make a GT6 Trial (demo) why should they release a modediting tool for a couple of selfish kids who can't even respect the hardwork PD has done for GT5.

You do realize that some of the customization and tuning option are obviosuly already in the game and which I assume can most likely be enabled and implemented in a future update without much hassle.

 

[The Stig Farmer]

You do realize that some of the customization and tuning option are obviosuly already in the game and which I assume can most likely be enabled and implemented in a future update without much hassle.

But they could have done and in all this time they haven't. Some upgrades are also incomplete and massively over-effective, particularly the nitrous which replaces the engine with a scramjet

 

[arora]

Nice Cheech Marin avatar

👍

I have a chuckle at the Dave's not here.

Oh the pd decision, it was not so great as as near as I can tell, the main focus was to protect their dlc sales. I hate dlc.

 

[MXH]

But they could have done and in all this time they haven't. Some upgrades are also incomplete and massively over-effective, particularly the nitrous which replaces the engine with a scramjet

Hah. I haven't really bothered with hybriding so I wasn't aware of that. I just pray that they've got the message regarding the communitys' substantial desire for more tuning and customization options and ditch their somewhat conservative stance for GT6.

 

[eran0004]

the main focus was to protect their dlc sales.

Because?

 

[Ranman20]

I just don't get how we cheat. I don't race on GT5, I just do free run like wtf.

How is a engine swap cheating if I'm not using it to my advantage?

So am I cheating if I put a Corvette ZR1 '09 engine in a '70 Corvette in real liife?

 

[thewheelman83]

Hah. I haven't really bothered with hybriding so I wasn't aware of that. I just pray that they've got the message regarding the communitys' substantial desire for more tuning and customization options and ditch their somewhat conservative stance for GT6.

Hyland, I completely agree 100 percent with your view. I couldn't say it better myself. 👍

 

[Voodoovaj]

To the new hybrid haters that have joined the thread, it's worth stating yet again that these mods/hybrids are not hacks to the code.

I read comments about hacked PS3 - not true.
corrupted save files - not true
hacked code - not true

Battling facts with opinions is one of the great evils of the world.

Fact - Part swapping is a feature of the GT5 software that we purchased. The UI for it was removed or never implemented fully, but the feature exists. No one hacked the software or modified their PS3 to add that feature to the game. It was merely revealed. Why does it exist? I don't know.

Fact - The feature still exists in the game. PD have hacked their code (this is the proper use of the term) and implemented code that will revert a file swap if it does not match the body of the car. You can see this code at work when you view a modified car.

The mod community is fighting to have this feature returned and we would be more than happy to have it done properly.

 

[Johnnypenso]

That is the point. He has done what I can't. He has done what most normal people would not do, and that is hack a game save or violate PSN's ToS.

And if you plan on not updating to 2.12(lost track of that list) what difference does it make how competitive your cars are? Who the hell are you racing?
You people are much more of a minority than you think.

Oh No I am so mad I just need to shut up!

Of course hybriders were a minority, the leading edge of anything always is. It starts with one and grows from there. Considering the huge backlash and general hysteria surrounding hybriding it's actually surprising as many people chose to do it as actually did.

And if your only objection remaining is that he did something you could not, I can see how that would bother you. However, you surely have to see that hybriding, if legalized and available to everyone, would be a boon to this game, at this stage of it's life cycle, or for GT6.

It is up to PD to say, and they did. We all know this surely by now?

I'm curious how many hoping or suggesting that PD come out with much more customizing options in gt6 realize that no mater what the game offers people will still want to monkey around outside of the normal playing parameters.

The taboo, or exploration is a large part of the allure and that will never go away.

Yes, people will still try to do things outside the game, no matter how many options we get for GT6, that's the nature of the beast. It's up to PD to figure out how entry might be made and try to prevent it from happening.

The greatest thrill for me was in making uncompetitive cars competitive, and that was without chassis swapping. The grip multiplier was an endlessly valuable tool in tuning cars to be competitive. Use a little too much and you were too grippy and didn't have enough HP. Use too little and you fell behind a little in the corners but were good on the straights. Finding the right balance was tough but I just about had it figured out at the end.

Car you have never seen in PP limited racing were all of a sudden competitive. Again I say, is it better if I pull out an Elise/NSX/LFA every race like the rest of the grid, or does it matter if I us a 69' Vette, or 90' RX7 or an 84' RS200 or any other car? Is the game better because a few cars are fast or many?

 

[PepeMickey]

I just don't get how we cheat. I don't race on GT5, I just do free run like wtf.

How is a engine swap cheating if I'm not using it to my advantage?

So am I cheating if I put a Corvette ZR1 '09 engine in a '70 Corvette in real liife?

You are cheating because you are not playing by the rules. Understand this:

It's I-L-L-E-G-A-L, you used a 3rd party software to modify Sony's property, and no, you do not own the game, nor the save data, not even the OS of the console is yours. It even says it on the box, all you own is a license to use the software and thats it. It's the same with the Xbox 360 and it's the same everywhere.

 

[Hei]

They lost that right in the jailbreak lawsuits. The PS3 is your property. It isn't illegal to Jail Break or mod a game, it's illegal to do so and redistribute it.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

You are cheating because you are not playing by the rules. Understand this:

It's I-L-L-E-G-A-L, you used a 3rd party software to modify Sony's property, and no, you do not own the game, nor the save data, not even the OS of the console is yours. It even says it on the box, all you own is a license to use the software and thats it. It's the same with the Xbox 360 and it's the same everywhere.

Are you that worried about what someone does with their game offline, where it has no effect on you? Just curious. If so, this is turning into the same nonsense when car duping was a big thing back when the game was only a few months old. We're starting to see people once again with the inability to mind their own business. It's getting sad.

 

[Johnnypenso]

You are cheating because you are not playing by the rules. Understand this:

It's I-L-L-E-G-A-L, you used a 3rd party software to modify Sony's property, and no, you do not own the game, nor the save data, not even the OS of the console is yours. It even says it on the box, all you own is a license to use the software and thats it. It's the same with the Xbox 360 and it's the same everywhere.

Ok Pepe, you win, we're all breaking the law. You're right, we concede. End of argument. We cannot win an argument where we try to justify hybriding from a legal standpoint.

However, in spite of the fact that we worked outside the normal parameters of the game, there is a great deal of positive stuff that can come things that are technically illegal. Your own country was created by a Revolution that was technically illegal wasn't it? The gist of what we are saying is, we love the myriad of options that became available through hybriding, and wish them to be included in this game or in GT6. We really, really, really enjoyed much more extensive modding options for EVERYONE to use next time around.

I think the point you are missing is that outside of a few jokers in overpowered cars, the vast majority of hybriders, did play by the rules, either not taking them online, or hybriding to make cars competitive like me and many others did. We weren't looking for an advantage, we were looking for more options, more ways to continue playing this game that we love as much as anyone else. That's why we are still here. Surely you can see that no?

Hybriding has been a part of the GT series from the beginning. PD should have realized this would happen and what effect it would have on online racing and gotten ahead of it, but they got caught with their pants down and gave us a patch that left us with the absolute worst aspects of hybriding, and ruined all the good parts. Anyone who hybrided this time around has seen what's inside Pandora's box and it was sweet. We want to get back into her box. PD had best realize how much we want in that box and deal with it realistically, instead of with half 🤬 patches.

 

[Ranman20]

You are cheating because you are not playing by the rules. Understand this:

It's I-L-L-E-G-A-L, you used a 3rd party software to modify Sony's property, and no, you do not own the game, nor the save data, not even the OS of the console is yours. It even says it on the box, all you own is a license to use the software and thats it. It's the same with the Xbox 360 and it's the same everywhere.

I'm holding back words I will not say. But how am I cheating if I'm just doing practice and FREE RUN(free run- Where your pleased to do whatever you want if tolerated by host). Clearly your a kid who doesn't understand what cheating and hacking is.

 

[Stavingo]

I'm holding back words I will not say. But how am I cheating if I'm just doing practice and FREE RUN(free run- Where your pleased to do whatever you want if tolerated by host). Clearly your a kid who doesn't understand what cheating and hacking is.

Never knew we had to have 'rules' for free runs in the first place

Such intolerance for people who hate hybrids, feel the love haha

 

[Ranman20]

Never knew we had to have 'rules' for free runs in the first place

Such intolerance for people who hate hybrids, feel the love haha

I mean like do you like being crashed all the time, be literal even if there is no rules you'd get tired of rammers.

 

[Voodoovaj]

On the topic of cheating within the confines of the game's rules, keep this in mind. The PP system was designed and implemented while stage 5 weight, engine, and turbos were available across the board.

This is why, when a car is modded, it adheres to the PP restrictions even better than some of the non-modded cars. For instance, the Ruf cars stage 3 turbo, is actually a stage 5 turbo (if you try to install stage five, the message is returned that this part already exists). There is mixing and matching that is the most likely culprit behind the games inherent imbalances.

imho - What likely happened is that Sony came down hard on PD to release the game before all the art assets were going to be completed. They scrambled to hodge podge what they could to make it out for Christmas (2010) and the game has never been fully realized since.

 

[PepeMickey]

I'm holding back words I will not say. But how am I cheating if I'm just doing practice and FREE RUN(free run- Where your pleased to do whatever you want if tolerated by host). Clearly your a kid who doesn't understand what cheating and hacking is.

What rules? The ones Sony politely asked you to accept when you:

1.- Created a PSN account

2.- Started GT5 up and agreed their terms

3.- Every OS update or in-game update that you accepted

Rules you accept again every time you use your PS3 or play GT5.

I hope you get it this time because I won't say it again.

 

[Nismo34]

I mean like do you like being crashed all the time, be literal even if there is no rules you'd get tired of rammers.

Hybrids or no Hybrids, Rammers have and will always exist. Hybrids have nothing to do with that.

 

[hogger129]

I'd like to see them come out with a patch that allows engine/transmission swaps at least. If not, implement it in GT6. Otherwise PD isn't going to get another cent out of me, I'll go and buy that new XBOX and the next Forza - Sony and PD's main competitors whose game offers FAR more customization options.

 

[Ranman20]

Hybrids or no Hybrids, Rammers have and will always exist. Hybrids have nothing to do with that.

I know that. Just saying ramming will always happens.

 

[PepeMickey]

Ok Pepe, you win, we're all breaking the law. You're right, we concede. End of argument. We cannot win an argument where we try to justify hybriding from a legal standpoint.

However, in spite of the fact that we worked outside the normal parameters of the game, there is a great deal of positive stuff that can come things that are technically illegal. Your own country was created by a Revolution that was technically illegal wasn't it? The gist of what we are saying is, we love the myriad of options that became available through hybriding, and wish them to be included in this game or in GT6. We really, really, really enjoyed much more extensive modding options for EVERYONE to use next time around.

I think the point you are missing is that outside of a few jokers in overpowered cars, the vast majority of hybriders, did play by the rules, either not taking them online, or hybriding to make cars competitive like me and many others did. We weren't looking for an advantage, we were looking for more options, more ways to continue playing this game that we love as much as anyone else. That's why we are still here. Surely you can see that no?

Hybriding has been a part of the GT series from the beginning. PD should have realized this would happen and what effect it would have on online racing and gotten ahead of it, but they got caught with their pants down and gave us a patch that left us with the absolute worst aspects of hybriding, and ruined all the good parts. Anyone who hybrided this time around has seen what's inside Pandora's box and it was sweet. We want to get back into her box. PD had best realize how much we want in that box and deal with it realistically, instead of with half 🤬 patches.

Good, glad you understand the legal part of it, I see what some of you really wanted from all of this, you wanted to make a point, that we need more "options" not just in customization but across the board and thats good although, if you've read my thread then you'll know I'm not particularly keen on customization but that's another story.

About my country, hehe, well we might need another revolution right now because our territory has the potential for everything but a small group at the top basically has most of us brain-washed. The Independence day was to liberate us from Spain and yes, our "patriots" succeded but the funny thing is that they weren't even mexicans, they basically told our people what to do but it was for the best and common interests so no biggie, haha. Anyway we are now an independent country but our culture is the result of a clash of other cultures so as a consecuence most of our people don't even care or know about our own history which is sad. I think that's the root of all our problems, without proper education, the ones at the top have it very easy controling us because we are hard working people but very ignorant in general too and the ones who realize this like me, we feel like there's nothing we can do, we see the potential and we love our country, I know I'm proud of its culture but we must abide by the rules because there's no support, everyone is very comfortable living in their ignorance.

Part of me wants to get out of there, go live somewhere else but I would feel terrible knowing I couldn't do anything to help my own people.

Maybe that's why I can't see further than what we've got already in current racing games.

 

[KiroKai]

Replace 'my country' with GT5, 'small group at the top' with Polyphony Digital, and 'another revolution' with 'the customization outside of the game's boundaries'.
Replace 'Me [you]' who sees the potential of the country with 'Me [me myself]' who sees the potential of the game... it all fits! Oh the irony.

That's just how I see it, anyway.

 

[arora]

Because?

Because PD.

Maybe you don't understand what I said, PD's main concern was not cleaning up online lobbies or getting rid of cheats in the tt/dt's as some here like to think. Of course they want to protect their revenue, who wouldn't?

Car you have never seen in PP limited racing were all of a sudden competitive. Again I say, is it better if I pull out an Elise/NSX/LFA every race like the rest of the grid, or does it matter if I us a 69' Vette, or 90' RX7 or an 84' RS200 or any other car? Is the game better because a few cars are fast or many?

I think you are spot on with that, there is no reason for all the complaints imo. There is of course the "not everyone has access" "not everyone wants to brake the tos" etc, but there was nothing wrong with it in my eyes.(except PD exercised their muscles)

 

[MOTORTRENDmitch]

It won't be long until my guy figures this out

 

[Lock2Lock]

You are cheating because you are not playing by the rules. Understand this:

It's I-L-L-E-G-A-L, you used a 3rd party software to modify Sony's property, and no, you do not own the game, nor the save data, not even the OS of the console is yours. It even says it on the box, all you own is a license to use the software and thats it. It's the same with the Xbox 360 and it's the same everywhere.

Wrong.
Those licensing terms and where they applythat all changed during the Geohot trial. You have every right to do what ever you want with your personal system. Yes yes it may be a breach in the TOS but is infact NOT illegal. Only time it becomes illegal is when you mass produce your modifications or sell them. If you do not do that then the TOS do NOT apply to you offline.

Breaking the TOS doesn't make it a illegal (in law), however it does make it against the TOS. Which if you get caught with either a jailbroken PS3 or a modified PS3 or software the worst case scenario is you will be banned from online. They cannot brick your PS3 (make your PS3 stop working completely).

They lost that right in the jailbreak lawsuits. The PS3 is your property. It isn't illegal to Jail Break or mod a game, it's illegal to do so and redistribute it.

Exactly

What rules? The ones Sony politely asked you to accept when you:

1.- Created a PSN account

2.- Started GT5 up and agreed their terms

3.- Every OS update or in-game update that you accepted

Rules you accept again every time you use your PS3 or play GT5.

I hope you get it this time because I won't say it again.

What he asked, was how was he cheating. Which he is in fact not cheating. Breaking the TOS sure, but not cheating


So don't worry about saying it again. You didn't answer the question the last few times he has asked. Just because you break the TOS doesn't make you a cheater automatically.

Good, glad you understand the legal part of it, I see what some of you really wanted from all of this, you wanted to make a point, that we need more "options" not just in customization but across the board and thats good although, if you've read my thread then you'll know I'm not particularly keen on customization but that's another story.

I am pretty sure he was just giving in to get passed that subject that you kept going on and on about. Which was irrelevant to what he was talking about.

 

[Tornado]

Sony actually lost the "you have no right to do what we don't want you to with our software" war ten years earlier than the GeoHot mess, when they got their asses handed to them in court (twice) against emulator makers.

 

[PepeMickey]

Wrong.
Those licensing terms and where they applythat all changed during the Geohot trial. You have every right to do what ever you want with your personal system. Yes yes it may be a breach in the TOS but is infact NOT illegal. Only time it becomes illegal is when you mass produce your modifications or sell them. If you do not do that then the TOS do NOT apply to you offline.

Breaking the TOS doesn't make it a illegal (in law), however it does make it against the TOS. Which if you get caught with either a jailbroken PS3 or a modified PS3 or software the worst case scenario is you will be banned from online. They cannot brick your PS3 (make your PS3 stop working completely).

Exactly

What he asked, was how was he cheating. Which he is in fact not cheating. Breaking the TOS sure, but not cheating


So don't worry about saying it again. You didn't answer the question the last few times he has asked. Just because you break the TOS doesn't make you a cheater automatically.



I am pretty sure he was just giving in to get passed that subject that you kept going on and on about. Which was irrelevant to what he was talking about.

So now you think you are so superior that you know what someone else who wasn't even talking to you directly was attempting to do trough his own comment, ok. I will ignore you from now on, you don't bring anything to the table and you try to make things personal. good bye....adds to block list..