Should PD release GT5.5 BD, and should we have to pay for it?

[AGNT009]

Right now, Im taking my GT5 nice and slow, waiting for the patchwork to catch up to my expectations. Add to that I just left for the jungles of Vietnam on BC2, so you're actually reading a post from my ghost writer, since Im still in the jungles as we speak, lol.

A lot of people seem to believe that the infamous jaggies will never be able to be patched. "Its a hardware issue". BS I say. If Kaz is the perfectionist he USE TO BE, (cause I stripped him of that title hours after I put in my GT5 disc), he needs to rebuild the disc and actually do it right this time. Do whatever it takes to fix the jaggies, if something has to get toned down, do it I say, but the jaggies in game and in my replays are atrocious. Why bother having B spec Bob when the whole mode is watching horrific "live" replay footage?

Rebuild the disc, cut out the crap that needs to get cut out. Make the necessary changes to modes you obviously screwed up and are just now fixing. When the rebuild is over, the disc size should be less than what the total will be for us now by uploading the whole disc, and PDs huge update files. Basically give us a hotter model, with all the ugly fat and cellulite cut off. Give her a nose job to fix that jagged nose of hers. Oh, and dont you dare make us pay for it. Because its the game we SHOULD have had to begin with. Its unfair for PD to give us an unfinished game, that hog up even more precious HDD space with your 24 updates a year, to fix things that shouldnt have needed to be fixed in the first place.

So, every original owner gets a new disc given to them they pickup in stores FOR FREE. You insert disc, and the GT5.5 assimilates the save file from GT5. Then you are free to delete the GT5 data from your HDD and all those patches. Now you have a better game, at a thinner HDD cost. Make GT5.5 more DLC friendly too, but dont go over the top with prices to make up for the new disc rerelease. Us fans will know if you are trying to backhandedly screw us with your apology 5.5 disc.

Right now there is an epic amount of blood in the water in the PD ocean, and Forza sharks, or any other racing company could easily take down PD in a few years if they tried hard enough with their next release or two. Its a big if though. But with GT5, PD just made themselves very beatable IMO.

 

[Tornado]

If they are releasing the patches free of charge (and they are), there is absolutely no reason to feel entitled to a fixed disc release.

That being said, I do think that they should do a "Gold Edition" or whatever in a year or so.

 

[witham]

An easy way to fix some jaggies and free up ram would be to get trid of shadows made parts of a car on other parts of a car e.g. the spoiler shadow and shadows caused by lips of the car, as these are the worsdt shadows.

 

[AGNT009]

I know the patches are free on our wallets, its my HDD space Im concerned about. When I bought my 120 GB PS3 back in fall of 2009, some other gamer in the store told me, "Oh, you'll never fill that up". Well, I own 22 games now, have no other photos on my pS3, less than 2 dozen songs, and no non game replays on my HDD, and I have 44 GB left. So, Im starting to count every pound of fat right now. GT5 has become the annoying uncle that comes over and eats you out of house and home, but you let him stay because he's funny, and he's family. Before long Im going to have to make some tough choices.

How easy is it to upgrade to a bigger HDD beyond 120 Gb, and whats the cost?

 

[Tornado]

How easy is it to upgrade to a bigger HDD beyond 120 Gb, and whats the cost?

This easy.

 

[Menown]

I put a 320gb in my Phat 60GB, it took about 10 minutes as I made a mess out of one of the screws. Newegg or your own personal favorite computer hardware store usually have a few deals on HHD, especially this time of year.

Back on topic. The patches are fine, this will keep me busy until GT6 comes out.

 

[AGNT009]

If I have 600 GB+ space on the hard drive on my new pc, is it as easy as plugging a USB cord to the front of my PS3 and the USB of my PC and backup straight to my pc, and remove the middle man? Then reaquire save data from PC to new SATA HDD installed in PS3?

 

[AGNT009]

Oh, and wouldnt a "Gold Edition" just be code for GT5.5? Because if they made agold disc, they'd basically do exactly what Im asking them to do in this thread, fix all the mess, without the need for updates, all in one handy disc. Likely you'd have to restart your GT5 career again, but, Im going so slow right now, my progress so far is an acceptable loss if the Gold disc came out early 2012

 

[jimftr]

Right now, Im taking my GT5 nice and slow, waiting for the patchwork to catch up to my expectations. Add to that I just left for the jungles of Vietnam on BC2, so you're actually reading a post from my ghost writer, since Im still in the jungles as we speak, lol.

A lot of people seem to believe that the infamous jaggies will never be able to be patched. "Its a hardware issue". BS I say. If Kaz is the perfectionist he USE TO BE, (cause I stripped him of that title hours after I put in my GT5 disc), he needs to rebuild the disc and actually do it right this time. Do whatever it takes to fix the jaggies, if something has to get toned down, do it I say, but the jaggies in game and in my replays are atrocious. Why bother having B spec Bob when the whole mode is watching horrific "live" replay footage?

Rebuild the disc, cut out the crap that needs to get cut out. Make the necessary changes to modes you obviously screwed up and are just now fixing. When the rebuild is over, the disc size should be less than what the total will be for us now by uploading the whole disc, and PDs huge update files. Basically give us a hotter model, with all the ugly fat and cellulite cut off. Give her a nose job to fix that jagged nose of hers. Oh, and dont you dare make us pay for it. Because its the game we SHOULD have had to begin with. Its unfair for PD to give us an unfinished game, that hog up even more precious HDD space with your 24 updates a year, to fix things that shouldnt have needed to be fixed in the first place.

So, every original owner gets a new disc given to them they pickup in stores FOR FREE. You insert disc, and the GT5.5 assimilates the save file from GT5. Then you are free to delete the GT5 data from your HDD and all those patches. Now you have a better game, at a thinner HDD cost. Make GT5.5 more DLC friendly too, but dont go over the top with prices to make up for the new disc rerelease. Us fans will know if you are trying to backhandedly screw us with your apology 5.5 disc.

Right now there is an epic amount of blood in the water in the PD ocean, and Forza sharks, or any other racing company could easily take down PD in a few years if they tried hard enough with their next release or two. Its a big if though. But with GT5, PD just made themselves very beatable IMO.

Oh shutup, i'm sick of people complaining, go ****ing sell your copy of the game if you hate it so much.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

There doesn't need to be a new version of GT5 ,I think people are confusing patches (to fix bugs) and updates (to improve the game) ,GT5 has had no patches they've simply been improving it to what the community wants from the game.

 

[Devedander]

If they are releasing the patches free of charge (and they are), there is absolutely no reason to feel entitled to a fixed disc release.

To be fair, those free patches only help people with access to broadband...

That said I wouldn't be surprised if future presses of the disc are like GT5P Spec III and contain existing patches.

 

[Tornado]

There doesn't need to be a new version of GT5 ,I think people are confusing patches (to fix bugs) and updates (to improve the game) ,GT5 has had no patches they've simply been improving it to what the community wants from the game.

GT5 has had both.

To be fair, those free patches only help people with access to broadband...

That is why I feel they should also do a fixed disc release sometime in the future.

 

[the.hatter]

Oh shutup, i'm sick of people complaining, go ****ing sell your copy of the game if you hate it so much.

Lmao ... sorry OP but I tend to agree with this sentiment.

@ Toronado - I agree that future releases of this game, Greatest Hits or whatever it would be called, should include the patches up to that date.

 

[AGNT009]

So you all agree that the Greatest Hits should include the patches. well, if it did it wouldnt need to include the data that was getting overridden, right? So even if you say Im whinning, you all say new disc needs new stuff, old stuff out. So you DO agree with me. Except for the part where we ALL have to pay for a new GT5, (at least it would be $20?) to get a slimmer GT5 data file overall.

 

[bevo]

If they are releasing the patches free of charge (and they are), there is absolutely no reason to feel entitled to a fixed disc release.

I don't believe that at all. I have several friends who do not have a way to get high speed internet. It's not offered where they live. Games should not be relesed if patches are needed to fix content. There needs to be a stop put to games being released before all of the advertised features are put into place. When PD feels happy with the game and all of the probelms are solved there should be another disk released, and free copies sent to anyone who has purchased this game who wants them, or a cheap usb memory card with the updates put on it.

This game has many flaws as of now, but PD is trying to fix them, but the people who do not have high speed internet should also be able to receive updates that are fixing problems with the game, at PD's expense. If not, games should have to have a big lable on them that says, something like "Game may not work properly unless used with high speed internet".

 

[rileyra]

They will not burn and ship new discs for free, so get that outa your head right now. For a greatest hits disc yer looking $40 minimum when first release which would most likely have all patches included at the time of that build being made. Either way if you don't have broadband by now then either you live in the sticks or you just fail at life

 

[Tornado]

I don't believe that at all. I have several friends who do not have a way to get high speed internet. It's not offered where they live.

That is a problem, I agree. However, it is a problem with the way PSN is set up. We should try to get Sony to fix that instead of making Sony ship out update discs or whatever.

Either way if you don't have broadband by now then either you live in the sticks or you just fail at life

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[mani_23]

There is no reason why they would release a new disc, go through production costs, just for fixing a few bugs here and there. You can complain about bugs and glitches, but its generally tough to complain about a game not being finished.. Unless you work at PD, nobody can really say. So, Dont expect a new disc with new events and more premium cars, That will only make PD look like they realized their game wasn't complete, and it will look un-professional on their part. DLC is how devs get rid of bugs and glitches now. GT2 on the PS1 had no system like we have now, so they released different versions. GT5.P was sort of a similiar system, because the discs were being produced anyways, they chose to produce games with the spec updates rather then producing the regular disc. If they stopped producing those discs, they wouldn't start making them again just because of the spec updates.

Regardless of that, If you have a problem with GT5's bugs, I will garuntee they wont send out a new version, but instead just update the game itself with DLC. Probably (practically confirmed) adding new premium cars as well. With the seasonal events they just added, events shouldn't be a great problem either.

GT5 maybe a little unpolished (Because of its bugs), but depending on how you look at it, Its not "Unfinished". They wont send out a new disc, or even give them free to owners of GT5(!) either.

 

[arvin charles]

Either way if you don't have broadband by now then either you live in the sticks or you just fail at life

You fail at life if you truly believe that there are no exceptions to your statement.

 

[Tornado]

GT5.P was sort of a similiar system, because the discs were being produced anyways, they chose to produce games with the spec updates rather then producing the regular disc.

So why wouldn't they simply do this with GT5?

GT5 maybe a little unpolished (Because of its bugs), but depending on how you look at it, Its not "Unfinished".

No open to interpretation.

 

[mani_23]

So why wouldn't they simply do this with GT5?


No open to interpretation.

They probably will, GT5's a huge game, and who knows maybe its in the next month where they need to restock. However, These updates put on the disc are simply the updates that are given to owners through DLC. They would never Hand these games free to everyone who bought GT5, but just have these updates in place for any new buyer. Basically the perception made by whats in the OP is that they would hand this game with all the updates free to everyone as if they really did screw all their customers, but they didn't, and all their mistakes (Which are natural) are and will be/ing fixed through DLC. These discs wouldn't be anything new or special, exactly why they wouldn't call it gt5.5, it would seem like a new game or something, they would publically point out, yes we needed to deeply fix our game, and we will try again by releasing this, renamed as well!
It will just be GT5 on the store shelves, the updates will be there.

I bought a copy of the Original GT5.Prologue, a 2008 copy (In N.A.) a couple of weeks ago. Having played a spec III back in last january, the spec updates were already placed on my PS3. The disc didn't run like the original discs, but instead a spec III.

These GT5 discs will be no different, They will handle just the same as someone with the updates.
Sorry if it was confusing, but, For these reasons I believe they wont be producing a "GT5.5" or give out free to those who had bought the original.

Somebody could interpret an unfinished game as something that is literally unfinished, something that has been notably cut in features in some areas. Others interpret unfinished games, as games that have glitches and bugs in them. The truth is (saddening) many games now, with the capabilitys of consoles have bugs and glitches, because games now are just so big and complex that there will always be some issues that may be overseen. GT5 unfortunately is such a huge game that the (Tiny amount of) workers at PD couldn't spot most of them, sometimes they may even spot the bugs, but are unable to fix it simply due to their limits.

 

[rileyra]

You fail at life if you truly believe that there are no exceptions to your statement.

The exceptions are in my statement, if you live in the sticks you can't get it. If you can't afford it then you fail at life. Maybe that sounds a bit harsh as some people may be less privileged than others or may be having a hard time but broadband can be had for 20-30 bucks a month in a lot of areas. If you can't afford that then you really need to focus on getting your **** together and straightening your life out rather than playing video games.

 

[Tornado]

If you can't afford it then you fail at life. Maybe that sounds a bit harsh as some people may be less privileged than others or may be having a hard time but broadband can be had for 20-30 bucks a month in a lot of areas. If you can't afford that then you really need to focus on getting your **** together and straightening your life out rather than playing video games.

There is so much... absurdity in this statement that I am astounded. We aren't talking things like food or shelter. How exactly are people who can't afford to get broadband internet failures at life? What the hell kind of ridiculous living standards do you think are necessary to live a normal life?

 

[rileyra]

There is so much... absurdity in this statement that I am astounded. We aren't talking things like food or shelter. How exactly are people who can't afford to get broadband internet failures at life? What the hell kind of ridiculous living standards do you think are necessary to live a normal life?

How is it absurd? If you don't live comfortably enough to afford that small amount each month then you should be trying to make your life better rather than wasting time with games. Is that really such a terrible outlook? You are focusing on the "fail at life" too literally. That's just a saying which is pretty common on the internetz. All I'm saying is that if someone can't afford broadband and they are playing video games then their priorities are out of place. It's a cheap enough "luxury" that should be easy to acquire if someone wants it. If they can't then it's understandable. However imo they shouldn't be buying $300+ gaming systems + however much more $$$ worth of games and accessories if they are struggling that much. If the items were gifted to them then great! But game developer/publishers are not going to focus on such a small demographic.

 

[Nielsen]

You seriously think Sony would offer free copies of a game which they updated? There's absolutely no logic in that no matter how you look at it.

It would be nice if they add the updates to the disc at some point but that should address the people without internet rather than those who have a small HDD. And Sony certainly won't mind if you buy a new PS3 for more HDD space so your suggestion could really hurt their income and reputation on many levels.

 

[Akira AC]

It mainly depends on how the developers wants to deliver the updates,a while ago(in BF2 pc days)there were patches from 1.05 to 1.30 to battlefield 2(I think),and then this patches were unified in a single huge update version called 1.41,which contain more fixes and improvements from other updates,of course this package was huge(600MB for a game of 3.xxGB)but it contain all the updates,besides BF2 editions from 2008 contained this update.

I do agree that there should be a "golden version" after 4 or 5 fixes,but expect a new "version of the game" for exchange in retailers for free,well that is pretty to be honest,a golden disc will accomplish that task.

And on aside note I just reported this thread because is part of the "DLC on GT5" thread and such title suggest an "imaginative" release,and a "imaginative" price for it,so is not a good point of discussion.

 

[bevo]

You seriously think Sony would offer free copies of a game which they updated? There's absolutely no logic in that no matter how you look at it.

I know they won't do it, but they should. If they have quality patches to fix problems with the game, then they should let you send your copy back to them and send you a new patched fully working copy of the game they released. There were features listed on the box, that didn't come in the game on release day.
Like I said before, if they plan on advertising some things that will not be in the game on the release of it, then they should put a warning on the box that says something about needing broadband internet to make the game work properly.
Not to get new and more content, but to make the game work how it is intended to work. The game should work on the release of it, or they should either have to A. refund your money if quality control patches need to happen and you either have no means to or don't want ot update it.
B. send a patched copy of the disk to your door free of charge.

Socom literally did not work the day it was released. You couldn't even play it. How is that not a crime. It took over 2 months for that game to really even be playable, let alone a good game. I really hope someone wins a huge lawsuit over a game company soon, due to the quality of the game. The quality control has gotten out of control, no one cares about their product anymore. They just push it out, and if enough people buy it, they will patch it and make a decent game out of it. If few people buy it, the game will stay junk and no patches will come. ex. Race pro. That is one bad game. They did one or two patches and then just gave up and screwed everyone who bought it. We should all be entitled to a full refund, but that will never happen. There needs to be a 10 day grace period like there use to be, where you can return an opened game for any reason you want.

 

[Devedander]

Basically the perception made by whats in the OP is that they would hand this game with all the updates free to everyone as if they really did screw all their customers, but they didn't,

Other than that you say so, what is the backup for that statement? A game got sold, at full price, missing features advertised on the box and in the instructions and the maker of the game said that it was indeed unfinished.

In the world of business, selling a partially done product at full price only to disclose it's not fully done after the sale is made is indeed screwing your customer.

[qoute]and all their mistakes (Which are natural)[/quote]

Many of the things wrong/missing from GT couldn't be mistakes as in "oops we forgot" they were mistakes as in "it's not done yet, sell it anyway" maybe but that's hardly a mistake in the sense you were saying.

Oh and as for being natural? Again, this is the world of business, people aren't supposed to pay for best effort, they are paying someone else to do it and do it right so I dont' have to worry about it. That's how sales works.

When you do something for someone and it's ok if you screw up because at lesat you tried, that's not sales, that's a favor.

are and will be/ing fixed through DLC.

Which is great as long as you have broadband and you don't have to pay based on how much you download and you don't mind giving up an unknown amunt of space on your hard drive for these large updates and you don't mind having to download the updates again should something happen to your drive.

I bought a copy of the Original GT5.Prologue, a 2008 copy (In N.A.) a couple of weeks ago. Having played a spec III back in last january, the spec updates were already placed on my PS3. The disc didn't run like the original discs, but instead a spec III.

These GT5 discs will be no different, They will handle just the same as someone with the updates.
Sorry if it was confusing, but, For these reasons I believe they wont be producing a "GT5.5" or give out free to those who had bought the original.

It's interesting that you brought up GT5P and the specs... there was indeed a time when stores were exchanging old spec discs for new ones... free.

Somebody could interpret an unfinished game as something that is literally unfinished, something that has been notably cut in features in some areas. Others interpret unfinished games, as games that have glitches and bugs in them. The truth is (saddening) many games now, with the capabilitys of consoles have bugs and glitches, because games now are just so big and complex that there will always be some issues that may be overseen. GT5 unfortunately is such a huge game that the (Tiny amount of) workers at PD couldn't spot most of them, sometimes they may even spot the bugs, but are unable to fix it simply due to their limits.

And all can interperet a game as unfinished which is missing components advertised on the box and manual and when the producer of the game comes out himself and says it was unfinished.

And let's stop bringing up the "tiny" number of workers at PD... first of all that tiny number of workers had many years to work which is in many ways equivalent (or better) than a large staff with less years (which is what most other dev houses work with) and a budget not to be scuffed at.

The "small shop" at PD is a completely one dimentional excuse that is very tired... that's without even considering who's fault it is that team is the size it is... if a soccer team only had 9 players would you say "they only have 9 players, don't blame them!" or would you say "what kind of a coach/owner fields a team with only 9 players? That's a bad coach/owner."

How is it absurd? If you don't live comfortably enough to afford that small amount each month then you should be trying to make your life better rather than wasting time with games. Is that really such a terrible outlook? You are focusing on the "fail at life" too literally. That's just a saying which is pretty common on the internetz. All I'm saying is that if someone can't afford broadband and they are playing video games then their priorities are out of place. It's a cheap enough "luxury" that should be easy to acquire if someone wants it. If they can't then it's understandable. However imo they shouldn't be buying $300+ gaming systems + however much more $$$ worth of games and accessories if they are struggling that much. If the items were gifted to them then great! But game developer/publishers are not going to focus on such a small demographic.

First of all it's obsurd because you have looked around your area and assumed the rest of the world is the same.

$20-30 broadband is available in most large cities but in many rural areas it's not.

We have had many users on the forum (including some mods) chime in that they do not have access to cheap internet either - in some areas you are lucky to get satellite internet with all it's quirks and in some areas you just can't get broadband... some places cost a LOT, have caps, charge per MB or other issues that make it not nearly so easy to get internet.

And your idea that someone is doing something wrong if they can't afford broadband is pretty lame... some people are on a tight budget, some people are students and have little or no jobs, some people have big families to provide for. It's easy to say "that thing only costs $20 a month" but there are a LOT of thigns that only cost $20 a month and at some point they add up enough that you can't add one more $20 a month thing. If you haven't noticed there are no shortages of people out there who have overspent themselves into holes by just buying one more thing and one more thing.

Some people have a PS3 as a gift, some people buy a PS3 but still can't afford the broadband around them, some people can afford a PS3 because it provides entertainment for a large number of kids so the cost can be split and easier to swallow. In all of these situations it can be very legit that it is not reasonable to pend money on broadband afterwards especially since neither the console nor any of the games REQUIRES internet to function properly. It's not a cell phone that comes with the caveat "doesn't work without connectivity" it's a "connection optional" device.

Sure there are lot's of benefits to being connected to the internet, but you shouldn't have to have an OPTIONAL service just to get the features that should come in the box new.

 

[AGNT009]

Oh that OP, he's always coming up with delicious topics to argue about, lol.

Are my requests living in a dream world? Yeah. But the bigger point here, is if you read between the lines, PD just hurt their rep tremendously. The RIGHT thing to do would be as I requested, and it would go a LONG way toward restoring their once good name. Is it not safe to say they are the joke of the gaming industry now? Im sure execs across the gaming world are telling their programers and such, "We dont want to pull a GT5". Its the new catch phrase I tell you, lol.

Will be very interesting to see what happens when GT6 actually hits shelves. If its for PS3, do we trust them to have it right the first time? If its for PS4 soon after PS4 comes out, do we trust them then? I wouldnt. The first games for a new console always suck it seems. Either way you look at it, a LOT of the people that rushed out to get GT5 week 1 arent going to rush to buy GT6 with the same blind enthusiasm. I bet a TON of people will wait for the reviews to pour in next time. Gamer reviews in forums, not bought off clones like IGN and such. Every GT game before it was perfect in its day. Sure, we would have liked this or that, but that was always wishlist stuff, not actual bugs and junk wrong with the games. When you bought GT, you expected high quality. Now you get a Kaz smirk on his face, and "Im sorry" repeated 50,000 times. Not good enough. If ANY other game had come out with jaggies like this one did, they would be crucified for it. But because everyone was so hungry for GT period, they overlook a ridiculously AWFUL problem with the game. The game was released UNFINISHED. Say it with me boys and girls, UNFINISHED! If for nothing else just because of the jaggies themselves. When you go buy a new product, you dont grab the damaged one on the shelf, and pay full price for it, do you? No. My advice in the OP was that PD needs to go above and beyond to restore our faith in their products, because they went above and beyond to screw us in every way theyve handeled this game and its release. Thats life in the business world. When you dont at least try to make it right with the customer (and sucking up HDD space at the customers "expense" doesnt count IMO), you lose their business. Period.

 

[mark wolf]

Retail copies of GT5 will be replaced with GT5 Spec I and then GT5 Spec II, and so on. These will include the patches. This is how it has always been done with GT series.

As for the topic that PD somehow owes us something... this is ridiculous. You purchase a product for a price, this is a contract. To demand anything after purchase is to change the terms of the agreed contract - this is something that only a mafia organisation would do.