So, about that course creator.

[Voodoovaj]

Oh really? According to Kaz/PD, PS4 is (and I quote) "much, much easier" to develop

It's a complicated topic. Suffice it to say that "much easier" refers to the methodology you have to use for PS3 versus PS4. PS4 has less complications in it's hardware. (Layman's terms warning) The PS3's 8 processors are not all equal and the hardware doesn't inherently distribute the processing load. That is all up to the software. So, let's say I want to "get the most" out of the PS3, I have to write code in such as way as to assign various aspects to different processors at the same time. That is different than having 1 processor, where you can just write the code and you don't have to do any low level assignment of resources. (I am over simplifying, but that's the gist of it).

Think of it this way though, has Madden NFL ever shipped on Xbox, and then have a PS3 version ship a year or two later? Has that happened with any game that was developed concurrently? The answer is no.

When PD says things like "it's much easier", don't expect that to mean anything is happening sooner. They are working toward dates that Sony has given them. All the hope in the world isn't changing that.

The standard practice right now in console games is to have a (more or less) 3 year gap between releases. GT4 came out at the end of 2004/beginning of 2005. Prologue came mid 2008 (just over 3 years). GT5 came at then end of 2010 (2.5 years). GT6 came in 2013 (3 years).

Expect something gt7(ish) at the end of 2016 to mid 2017. It will probably be a prologue type of title. Why do I think that? Because GT4 had a prologue, GT5 had a prologue, and I haven't seen ANY GT7 screenshots yet, so it is nowhere near ready for public consumption. It probably looks just like GT6 in screenshots at the moment. Their hype machine usually begins a year or so ahead of time.

@Famine gave the best answer for the delays on the course creator. If they need to make it so that you do not use any outside information because of a security hole, that would mean a complete rethink and reworking of the feature. Wasn't Sierra released last September? Someone else in this thread said September for the course creator and I think they are on the money.

 

[TRLWNC7396]

Easier does NOT typically mean faster. Especially when the program, in the end, is likely to be well over 50 GB in size.

 

[RacerPaul]

People seem to keep forgetting that is was 6 years from GT4 to GT5. 5 or 6 years from GT6 to GT7 isn't crazy

Oooh yes, it is crazy. And that's just because of the sheer amount of time PD takes. When you throw in the very reasonable view of a lot of people, being that the GT games don't make massive leaps between episodes (gfx aside), it becomes crazier still

 

[eran0004]

Oooh yes, it is crazy. And that's just because of the sheer amount of time PD takes. When you throw in the very reasonable view of a lot of people, being that the GT games don't make massive leaps between episodes (gfx aside), it becomes crazier still

Isn't crazy to expect.

 

[RacerPaul]

Isn't crazy to expect

Got you 👍

 

[Voodoovaj]

Oooh yes, it is crazy. And that's just because of the sheer amount of time PD takes. When you throw in the very reasonable view of a lot of people, being that the GT games don't make massive leaps between episodes (gfx aside), it becomes crazier still

I have said it many times, but no one wants to believe it. GT has no direct competitors. It is console mover.

Let's say there is a direct correlation between Project Cars and the sales of PS4's (which is actually quite likely given that 63% of P car is on PS4), then releasing a GT to "compete" would be counter productive for Sony. Sony wants P cars out, they want to promote it, they want it move more PS4's. If P-cars is all the rage, Sony wins!

Putting GT on the PS4 might please some, but in terms of share price and such, you want the console to maintain a steady sales rate. Where ever Sony has forecast that the console sales will start to taper off, THAT is when GT will come.

 

[TJC_69]

I have said it many times, but no one wants to believe it. GT has no direct competitors. It is console mover.

Let's say there is a direct correlation between Project Cars and the sales of PS4's (which is actually quite likely given that 63% of P car is on PS4), then releasing a GT to "compete" would be counter productive for Sony. Sony wants P cars out, they want to promote it, they want it move more PS4's. If P-cars is all the rage, Sony wins!

Putting GT on the PS4 might please some, but in terms of share price and such, you want the console to maintain a steady sales rate. Where ever Sony has forecast that the console sales will start to taper off, THAT is when GT will come.

Assuming no unforseen heavy delays in development yes , PS4 easier to program / code for or not , PD has a horrendus track record of getting things done on schedule .

GT5 *Ahem
Course Maker*Ahem with with pneumonia

👍

 

[AudiMan2011]

I have said it many times, but no one wants to believe it. GT has no direct competitors. It is console mover.

Let's say there is a direct correlation between Project Cars and the sales of PS4's (which is actually quite likely given that 63% of P car is on PS4), then releasing a GT to "compete" would be counter productive for Sony. Sony wants P cars out, they want to promote it, they want it move more PS4's. If P-cars is all the rage, Sony wins!

Putting GT on the PS4 might please some, but in terms of share price and such, you want the console to maintain a steady sales rate. Where ever Sony has forecast that the console sales will start to taper off, THAT is when GT will come.

So somewhere around 2023?

 

[Voodoovaj]

Assuming no unforseen heavy delays in development yes , PS4 easier to program / code for or not , PD has a horrendus track record of getting things done on schedule .

GT5 *Ahem
Course Maker*Ahem with with pneumonia

👍

I think they'll be on schedule, but that schedule isn't as quick as others would like.

 

[RacerPaul]

Assuming no unforseen heavy delays in development yes , PS4 easier to program / code for or
not , PD has a horrendus track record of getting things done on schedule

GT5 *Ahem
Course Maker*Ahem with with pneumonia

👍

Indeed. Say what you like (and many have/will) about MS/T10/FM, you know what you're getting and
when you're getting it

 

[TJC_69]

Indeed. Say what you like (and many have/will) about MS/T10/FM, you know what you're getting and
when you're getting it

That is true for sure .

Voodoovaj-I think they'll be on schedule, but that schedule isn't as quick as others would like.

True also . I'm not concerned when it comes out , I don't own a PS4 yet so there's no rush in my view for 7 .
6 however and it's missing feature is my concern right now .

Hopefully it's not the most anticipated , yet biggest disappointment in video game history .

 

[Imari]

Assuming no unforseen heavy delays in development yes , PS4 easier to program / code for or not , PD has a horrendus track record of getting things done on schedule .

GT5 *Ahem
Course Maker*Ahem with with pneumonia

👍

I think the only things in the last decade or so that they've actually hit schedules on were GT6 release and the Senna content. Everything else was either unscheduled or late.

 

[eran0004]

I think the only things in the last decade or so that they've actually hit schedules on were GT6 release and the Senna content. Everything else was either unscheduled or late.

All schedules aren't public.

 

[DriftPhish]

Okay, I've finally broken down and decided to comment. Flaming other posters won't get PD to release the course maker any faster. This feature is long over due, yes. They also keep too tight a lid on it. I agree. Kaz is disappointing me all over again. making announcements that development on the next title is under way when you haven't even finished this title is insulting, especially when you haven't finished the features that were promised to be released within the first year. I would like just for once to see PD keep a promise on time, then turn around and put Forza, Project Cars, and all other comers back in their place.

 

[Saf1]

Does anyone remember if Course Maker was listed on the GT website as upcoming back in GT5? Because if so then it doesn't mean anything but if not then the fact that CM is listed there is...promising?

 

[TurismoBad]

So supposedly it's not about overshooting ? Ok.

Basically - some things are simply hard to do. Xbox One or 360 - creating a track with DNC (day night cycle) is still hard.

I'm sure Turn10 was able to do it on 360 - with enough time. They didn't because it's hard and takes time.

They have clear priorities.

PD did it but GT5 and GT6 were lacking in other departments. I'm sure if there was no night racing in those games they would be more polished.

How many tracks added to GT6 have full DNC ? (edit: as DLC)

Zero

Because even if PD figured it out - it's still time consuming job.

Now with PD - CM is the same. It's not about PS3. (let's assume) Creating something complicated remains complicated and time consuming on whatever hardware your working on.

Either it's too much for PS3 or too much for PD coders - it's still overshooting though.

So for me ? Yeah they DO deserve the criticisms for the super late release of CM.

The "it's taking us longer than anticipated" is like a song on a loop that play for the entire PS3 era of Gran Turismo.

 

[TJC_69]

I think the only things in the last decade or so that they've actually hit schedules on were GT6 release and the Senna content. Everything else was either unscheduled or late.

Senna content was late also , was meant to be released early May to coincide with the anniversary of the great mans passing , but instead it didn't come until the end of that month ....

Leaves us with GT6 then , which the foundation of which , ( GT5 ) was already finished . GT6 required a new UI , some polishing on the standards and premiums , new cars added and voila ...

GT6 would never have made it to PS3 if it wasn't for that .

PD need to get someone better at the helm in my opinion .

👍

 

[PaMu1337]

How many tracks added to GT6 have full DNC ?

Zero

Mount Panorama
Matterhorn
Willow Springs
Apricot Hill

 

[Famine]

Either it's too much for PS3 or too much for PD coders - it's still overshooting though.

At the risk of repeating myself from a full month ago:

As far as I'm aware though, there is no technological barrier that is preventing the Course Maker appearing on PS3.

 

[RACECAR]

Senna content was late also , was meant to be released early May to coincide with the anniversary of the great mans passing , but instead it didn't come until the end of that month ....

That was due to a licensing issue, something completely out of their control.

 

[TurismoBad]

Mount Panorama
Matterhorn
Willow Springs
Apricot Hill

I wasn't clear - I meant as DLC. Edited my post above.

 

[TJC_69]

That was due to a licensing issue, something completely out of their control.

Yes that's correct .

One valid excuse in that instance

 

[cjr3559]

Cancel this post, I missed the question...

 

[Fat Tyre]

In the meantime PD should give a Scalextric voucher to those fans who are still waiting and a jar of Vaseline to fans whose ps3s died while waiting for the CM .

 

[Imari]

Does anyone remember if Course Maker was listed on the GT website as upcoming back in GT5? Because if so then it doesn't mean anything but if not then the fact that CM is listed there is...promising?

No, the GT5 course maker is a totally different beast, and was in GT5 at release.

The equivalent for GT5 was matchmaking, which was listed as a feature in the game manual and never came. One hopes that GT6 course maker doesn't go that route.

That was due to a licensing issue, something completely out of their control.

These things are going to happen to every developer from time to time. Sometimes 🤬 happens, and there's not much anyone can do about it.

But similar things do seem to happen to Polyphony an awful lot, and so it's reasonable to question whether they're just horrendously unlucky or if they're not taking appropriate steps to make sure that their plans come to fruition. Proper planning largely prevents huge strings of bad luck, under normal circumstances.

 

[synon]

Senna content was late also , was meant to be released early May to coincide with the anniversary of the great mans passing , but instead it didn't come until the end of that month ....

It wasn't meant for release "early" May, it was "around" May.

 

[MarchingSaint]

I find quite ironic the fact that the very same thread we use to complain about the course maker delay, will be used as sacrificial altar where people gather to bash on the course maker, how it sucks and how they are not going to buy the next GT.

 

[photonrider]

^
That's par for the course then. SNAFU.

 

[TJC_69]

It wasn't meant for release "early" May, it was "around" May.

*Citation needed*

The Senna content opened early May , DLC was due a couple weeks later in mid May , due to licence issues it didn't appear until at the very end of the month and was , again , delayed .

https://www.gtplanet.net/ayrton-senna-gt6-content-gets-may-27th-release-date/
https://www.gtplanet.net/gt6-online...d-for-may-30th-ayrton-senna-content-expected/

There was no " around " May about it .

👍

 

[cutmeamango]

Senna content was announced May 12th [1], quick google shows that end of April on this very forum [2] no one had any idea when the content was to be released...
The release was scheduled for the 27th and due to regional licensing was released in the 30th [3].

And the only quote I can find about a soft date is for "Around may to coincide with his passing", more precisely:

“In regards to the collaborations we’re going to do with the Ayrton Senna institute, the goal is to do something around May of next year, which would be the 20th year after his passing" says Kazunori

That is, "early may" was quite likely speculation due the date of his passing being the 1st.

http://www.teamvvv.com/en/news/comments/Kazunori-hints-at-Ayrton-Senna-content-for-GT6-in-May-2014

[1] http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/05/12/gran-turismo-6-relive-sennas-legendary-moments/
[2] https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/senna-content-coming-soon.305855/page-13
[3] http://www.gran-turismo.com/br/news/00_8588244.html