[solved] The world physics and tyre physics need "tuning"

[Imari]

In life if i identify something as unacceptable I look to change it immediately. I generally leave it to the drones to try living with it.

Wow, so the problem is the combination of your inability to learn the skills needed to handle the car combined with your attitude that it couldn't possibly actually be anything to do with the driver that needs adjusting, and yet you stoop to insulting people who have actually managed to master the vehicle?

I'm not sure "change" is the verb you're looking for. I think perhaps "complain", "make excuses" or "ignore uncomfortable truths" might be more accurate.

Plenty of people have acknowledged that it's a tough car to drive, both in game and in the real world. Yet there are many examples of people doing just that, and doing it well. It's not an easy skill, but it's one that you could be proud of if you mastered it. You can man up and accept that maybe you're not Ayrton Senna incarnate and you might need to learn some new techniques, or you can continue to complain instead.

Actually, that's stereotypical racing driver behaviour as well. Blame the car, blame the engineers, blame the weather, it's always anything but yourself. Take a little responsibility for your destiny. It's empowering.

 

[F Inferno]

Maybe I'm not explaining it very well but no, it's an issue with the steering. Depending on the corner, I'm on 10-75% throttle pretty much as soon as I've finished braking to eliminate lift-off oversteer as much as possible. Given I can't trail brake this car at all, I'm braking before the corner and using throttle into it, yes. So a lot of the time this is very early into the corner. Much earlier than many rwd cars (forgetting the corner starts as soon as you brake, not when the circuit turns). Also during the corner on 25-100% power if you steer a bit too much you will get overseer.

You're driving it all wrong, you don't want to stop the backend lifting off, that's exactly what you need to get the car turning at high speed.

Oversteer in an FF car is nothing like a normal car, I hate the Porsche 918 in Assetto Corsa, the lift off oversteer and oversteer on braking when not in a straight line makes it so difficult to drive but the big difference is the weight distribution in that car keeps the backend swinging around and it's very hard to control unless you are good at drifting (which I am not!). An FF car on the other hand has all its weight upfront so the back end will drift out but won't suck you off the corner and then the front will bite back in giving instant traction with little effort on the drivers part.

It's just a case of going with the flow and not trying to fight it, accelerating during braking to try and keep the weight to the rear is crazy and will just extend your brake length needlessly. Driven properly brake distances if anything feel much shorter than rear driven cars, though I haven't tested like for like.

 

[GBO Possum]

Clio Cup Car at Brands Hatch GP.

Second lap from the pits, driven as I explained in the post above.

Some things never change. Here's a photo from 1967, Brian Foley powering his Mini Cooper S through the bends at Warwick Farm (Sydney Australia). They were very light indeed, with a 1,275 or 1,310 cc motor and weighed about the same number of pounds

The technique that worked back then, as today, was to plant the right foot all the way through. I recall the smoke and the inside rear wheel lifting 3 or 4 inches

http://autopics.com.au/brian-foley-morris-cooper-s-warwick-farm-1967/

I hope this is not too far off-topic

 

[RomKnight]

People also tend to brake too much. Especially in an FF car putting unnecessary stress on the fronts that are already doing all the work (getting the car to move/stop AND turning). Then consider the brakes play a major - most important - role on tyre heating and you can find yourself in a pile of troubles quite soon depending on the track.

So, brake bias to the rear and coast LSD locking (to get those read tyres some heat and wear shouldn't really be a concern), let the car roll on the turning and floor it.

I also find myself leaning way more on late apexes to brake harder in a straight line and barely touch the brakes on anything above slow corners as this cars requires a bit of momentum as they can't quite accelerate hard to compensate the time lost on the brakes (you never want to spend much time on the brakes anyway but in FF cars or lower powered cars even less )

Every track is a track though so... practice makes perfect

 

[Scaff]

OK, so I make no bones about this, I'm going to be a little smug.

Motorsport Magazine run a youtube series called 'How to Drive...." which looks at how you drive various race cars, and this weeks one is none other than the Clio Cup. Split over two videos, the first has Dickie Meaden talking about his experience trying the car out ("I'd be lying if I said its an easy car to drive"), the second has Clio Cup driver Phil Glew talking in detail about how you drive the car.





Guess what. They drive how I (and others) said they drive, they drive as they do in PC2.

 

[Scaff]

I haven't played Asseto yet, but on certain cars in PCars2 I get this weird snap oversteer at very slow speeds. maybe I still have a long way to go to get used to those cars; I use pcars2 mainly for hot-lapping and GTS for everything else including campaign. Project Cars2 is a compliment to GTS instead of a competitor imo.

What cars and under what circumstances, and what are you using as your reference point for what the cars should be doing?

 

[gregc]

OK, so I make no bones about this, I'm going to be a little smug.

Motorsport Magazine run a youtube series called 'How to Drive...." which looks at how you drive various race cars, and this weeks one is none other than the Clio Cup. Split over two videos, the first has Dickie Meaden talking about his experience trying the car out ("I'd be lying if I said its an easy car to drive"), the second has Clio Cup driver Phil Glew talking in detail about how you drive the car.





Guess what. They drive how I (and others) said they drive, they drive as they do in PC2.

Tried to resist. Couldn't....



Saved those two vids for later, should be a good watch 👍