Something Just DOESNT Quite Add up...

[Devedander]

So by saying you shouldn't complain about GT, you assume I would praise M$ for the RROD??? Calm down genius

Ummm... no... it's called an analogy in which you point out a flaw in somethign by relating it to something similar. In this case the flaw in your logic which is that complaining about things to get what the fans want is bad... I didn't realize I had to spell it out for you.

No double standard, I haven't read the interview where he asks for opinions on damage. I would appreciate a link so I can give him my two cents. My remarks on damage in GT comes form what Kaz says in "Beyond the Apex" video. You should watch it on GT:TV.

Kaz remarked that this is PDs first step in damage and they are testing how much the fans really want (paraphrased). So yes, Kaz is responding to fanbase request and is looking for more input.

What I am saying isn't off the deep end you just need to open your mind a little bit and not be so hard headed. I am looking at this from an artistic POV where you are looking at the business end. Yes, if you want to sell the most games then you should follow trends and do what the majority does. That method has been doing wonders for Forza.

I would say from an artistic point of view it doesn't matter what crtics say, since you will persue your dream, so there is no reason to silence critics. However from a business point of view it makes all the sense in the world and there is no way you can ignore the business side of this situation. Remember you didn't leave wiggle room for other options, you just reflected it all in the negative.

Complaining forced Kaz to add damage.

Kaz responded to users wants and added damage.

You will notice you chose the negative way to view it with no mention of any positive way.

BTW you still haven't explained to me how you know:

Damage isn't something Kaz has cared to put in his games.

Without reading his mind?

Devendander, I know your are a gifted genius with an IQ above all but try and wrap your head around this.

When making GT, Kaz shouldn't care how many games he can sell. He should do what he has always done and make the best game he can to try and satisfy his worst critic, himself. If Kaz is happy with his game, I'm sure I will be too. That might be a crazy concept to a genius like yourself but it is my opinion.

Try to wrap your head around this:

You tell me I shouldn't tell Kaz what to do and I can't read his mind, then your proceed to read his mind and say what Kaz should do.

What makes it ok when you do it but not when I do?

If Kaz is happy with it you will be too? What did you drink the cool aid? You and Kaz are twins seperated at birth? How can you make a statement like that? As likely as it is that the GT that makes Kaz happy will be a great one that does make you happy, there is no way to say that with certaintly unless you are psychic or can time travel.

BTW are you going to go here and tell them they should stop?

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=120564

After all they are just complaining about a missing track until they force Kaz to put it in right? What about car wish lists? Wouldn't those be the same? Complaining until the cars you want get in regardless of Kaz's artistic dream?

I am constantly amazed at the God syndrome some people have with Kaz/PD... Everything they do is great and shouldn't be questioned. It's like watching kids kiss up to the schoolyard bully or something around here sometimes.

Double standard my friend... and in this case you are using this double standard as a foundation for a cop out on Kaz's behalf.

 

[serversurfer]

Kaz remarked that this is PDs first step in damage and they are testing how much the fans really want (paraphrased). So yes, Kaz is responding to fanbase request and is looking for more input.

While the rest is true, AFAIK, that bit is simply a guess on your part. Granted, you may have seen an interview I haven't seen, and if that's the case, then I'd like to see a link to it as well.

And no more of this, "Find it yourself," nonsense, please. If you make an assertion, you should be prepared to back it up.

To put it another way, cite or retract.

 

[Devedander]

While the rest is true, AFAIK, that bit is simply a guess on your part. Granted, you may have seen an interview I haven't seen, and if that's the case, then I'd like to see a link to it as well.

And no more of this, "Find it yourself," nonsense, please. If you make an assertion, you should be prepared to back it up.

To put it another way, cite or retract.

Virtually no one here does that becuase the number of bits and pieces and soundbites around here is too much to search through for each little thing.

So sorry, I am not doing your homework for you (and you specifically seem to have only started paying attention recently considering all the things that pretty much everyone takes for granted but you seem to be surprised to find out).

Tell you what, you go make that same demand about cite or retract to everyone else on this forum and see how far that gets.

BTW even turbo said Kaz was responding to users, so between the two people in that conversation it was already agreed on anyway

 

[serversurfer]

Virtually no one here does that …

That doesn't make it okay.

So sorry, I am not doing your homework for you …

So you admit you're unable to back up this claim?

Tell you what, you go make that same demand about cite or retract to everyone else on this forum and see how far that gets.

I will continue to ask for citations as I see fit, and I will continue to ignore/deride claims made without them.

Similarly, if I make a claim based on what I believe to be "common knowledge," I probably won't provide a link when I do, but if someone asks me for one, I will gladly provide it. That's just how it works.

"____ is true."
"How do we know that?"
"Because I just f-ing told you so it says so right here, that's how."

BTW even turbo said Kaz was responding to users…

Turbo clearly stated that was their opinion, which is quite different from just tossing it out there as a known fact, as you attempted to do.

Also, turbo asked you for a link to where Kaz said he was looking for user input on the future of damage in the series, and you neglected to provide that too.

So again, I'll ask you to back up your claim that damage was added in response to user demand, or retract it. And in case you're unsure on the matter, yes, ignoring a polite request for citation is considered to be a tacit, if ungraceful, retraction.

 

[Tenacious D]

I'm sure that Gran Turismo moving to a system perhaps 80 times as powerful as the PS2 has nothing to do with the fact that damage is coming to GT5. Or cars with 10 times the polygons, or cinematic replays, or online play, or possibly weather, or livery editor, or...

 

[Cobra_NZ]

I had a think today, being as realistic as I could be, decided that if the following major advancements are to be in GT5, whenever it will be released, I'll buy it.

Here we go:

-Full damage on all cars
-Rollover on all cars
-All car models of the same quality*
-Tyre marks
-Aero upgrades: front splitters, front canards, rear diffusers and rear wings
-Ability to save multiplayer replays
-Ability to pain any car in any colour I want

*I'd rather all car models either of GT5P quality or just the premium cars to start with, and add the GT5P cars as DLC regularly as they reach premium quality.

 

[Kinetic]

I had a think today, being as realistic as I could be, decided that if the following major advancements are to be in GT5, whenever it will be released, I'll buy it.

Here we go:

-Full damage on all cars
-Rollover on all cars
-All car models of the same quality*
-Tyre marks
-Aero upgrades: front splitters, front canards, rear diffusers and rear wings
-Ability to save multiplayer replays
-Ability to pain any car in any colour I want

*I'd rather all car models either of GT5P quality or just the premium cars to start with, and add the GT5P cars as DLC regularly as they reach premium quality.

Yea GT would be well not worth purchasing if it didnt have tyre marks, or rollover your 1000% correct

 

[Coiler]

I had a think today, being as realistic as I could be, decided that if the following major advancements are to be in GT5, whenever it will be released, I'll buy it.

Here we go:

-Full damage on all cars
-Rollover on all cars
-All car models of the same quality*
-Tyre marks
-Aero upgrades: front splitters, front canards, rear diffusers and rear wings
-Ability to save multiplayer replays
-Ability to pain any car in any colour I want

*I'd rather all car models either of GT5P quality or just the premium cars to start with, and add the GT5P cars as DLC regularly as they reach premium quality.

dream, dream, dream

 

[Cobra_NZ]

Yea GT would be well not worth purchasing if it didnt have tyre marks, or rollover your 1000% correct

This guy is once again taking offence to me making a personal decision that is not affecting him in any way. He's taking it s a generalization and getting sarcastic with me. He's even followed me to another thread and had a go at me there.

Just one question to GTP forums members. Is is not a shame to have people with this kind of attitude tarnish GTPlanet's reputation? There are plenty of decent, friendly, honest, mature and intelligent GTPlanet forum members here. Yet forum members like him go around giving others grief...

 

[Cobra_NZ]

Dream, dream, dream

Hope, hope hope.

 

[Coiler]

Hope, hope hope.

Yep, hope dies last:tup:

 

[serversurfer]

He's even followed me to another thread and had a go at me there.

Did he follow you to the other thread, or did you copy and paste the exact same crap in to two different threads? Oh, it was the latter, wasn't it?

You poor, persecuted troll. They're soooo hard on you, aren't they? /comfort

 

[Cobra_NZ]

Did he follow you to the other thread, or did you copy and paste the exact same crap in to two different threads? Oh, it was the latter, wasn't it?

You poor, persecuted troll. They're soooo hard on you, aren't they? /comfort

I simply pasted it on that thread too as I felt it may have more relevance there, I even explained that. I'm going to report you both. Far too much aggresion, name calling and just plain old personal attacking from you and Kinetic.

 

[Kinetic]

This guy is once again taking offence to me making a personal decision that is not affecting him in any way. He's taking it s a generalization and getting sarcastic with me. He's even followed me to another thread and had a go at me there.

Just one question to GTP forums members. Is is not a shame to have people with this kind of attitude tarnish GTPlanet's reputation? There are plenty of decent, friendly, honest, mature and intelligent GTPlanet forum members here. Yet forum members like him go around giving others grief...

I've been on many forums and posted many times, i'm doing nothing wrong, you here for all the wrong reasons despite the fact your not going to admit it, your probably just one of those guys that just likes to argue.

It's hardly stalking when i'm reading 2 threads and you copy and paste the exact same extreme post too try and see what replies you can get from it.

I consider my self friendly mature and inteligent, and when theres a debate or honest discussion going on i like to get involved and take part, however i take exception to people here to get peoples backs up for kicks.

I'll leave it at that and let this go back to the topic, despite it being a very flawed one.

Just stop the facade especially the hard done to one, especially when your more than aware of your 'game'

Edit: as for name calling i'm not aware i have, i've not treated you personally any differently, just your posts which it's easy to see why

 

[serversurfer]

I'm going to report you both.

P-p-p-p-please d-d-don't report me! I d-d-didn't mean to state the obvious! Honest!!!

 

[Famine]

And I'm about to step in here and sort the issue out in a fatherly way. Given the fact that I hate children, it pains me to do so.

The bantering will stop now, and we will return to the topic at hand. Or, I start handing out more infractions that what I have already.

That course of action usually results in a closed thread and various bannings.

Now... I can read this post, so I'm pretty sure it's not invisible. The only possible explanation that I can think of to explain the continued puerile gibbering and tit-for-tat point scoring is that it's being deliberately ignored.

Which is an awe-inspiring concept.

 

[Grant U. Rismo]

I'm pretty new to this site and maybe because of that so much of this thread went right over my head. I don't "get" some of the posters here.

So I'll stick with replying to the thread starter.

PD has been secretive, we can all agree.

Does that mean the lack of certain features? Not really. PD isn't the only one holding back features and information. So is the competition. So don't take silence as lack of activity or any admission of missing features.

It doesn't add up, I'll agree. But to some extent the launch of the PS3 Slim didn't either. Yet Sony has it all under control and it's doing very well.

So I wouldn't worry.

 

[Der Alta]

And I'm about to step in here and sort the issue out in a fatherly way. Given the fact that I hate children, it pains me to do so.

The bantering will stop now, and we will return to the topic at hand. Or, I start handing out more infractions that what I have already.

That course of action usually results in a closed thread and various bannings.

Now... I can read this post, so I'm pretty sure it's not invisible. The only possible explanation that I can think of to explain the continued puerile gibbering and tit-for-tat point scoring is that it's being deliberately ignored.

Which is an awe-inspiring concept.

I'm quoting this post, and locking this thread. Giving all parties involved a few hours to clear their heads and let it sink in.