Speed limits on highways

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What would you like to be done about highway speed limits?

  • Remove them (autobahn)

    Votes: 23 31.5%
  • Raise them

    Votes: 19 26.0%
  • Have speed limits according to weather

    Votes: 12 16.4%
  • Leave them as they are

    Votes: 11 15.1%
  • Lower them

    Votes: 2 2.7%
  • Other suggestions?

    Votes: 6 8.2%

  • Total voters
    73
I don't have a problem with speed limits. They're to protect me from people who decide to drive dangerously.

I think that some roads would be fine without speed limits (see Montana), other speed limits should be increased. I wouldn't have a problem seeing speed limit signs for lanes


rt lane: 45-65
mid lane: 60-80
left lane: 75-100

or just minimum speeds

Legal Speed Range:
45-85

Anyway, I think that they should be looser than they are but I don't have a problem with the concept of a speed limit.
 
Originally posted by ///M-Spec
A law that requires a speed limiter on all cars? Set to an arbitrary number? The penalty for breaking that law would be having your car impounded? No way. Bad idea. Not even the former Soviet Union had such strict rules. (of course a Lada or Trebant would be hard pressed to break a brisk walking speed, but that's another matter)


M

Not an arbitrary number but a speed limit adapted to modern cars, instead of one that is set low to cash in on speeders. And you could lose your car for 30 days the first time, with the severity increasing if you're caught again... as this is the case for a few infractions here, there are some provinces in Canada where you go directly to jail if you're caught driving over 180 or 200 km/h...
 
Originally posted by danoff
I wouldn't have a problem seeing speed limit signs for lanes

rt lane: 45-65
mid lane: 60-80
left lane: 75-100

Both Danoff and Duke are in favor of a graduated speed limit system. While I think they're good ideas and I would support such a measure if it was ever proposed, studies have shown that many highway accidents involving two or more vehicles have this in common: speed differential between the cars, rather than simply a high rate of speed is more likely to be a contributor in a accident.

I have a hard accepting this without figuring a way to mitigate this problem. We can't exactly have roads for people doing a 100 and a different road for people doing 65.


M
 
I have a hard accepting this without figuring a way to mitigate this problem. We can't exactly have roads for people doing a 100 and a different road for people doing 65.

If you consider different lanes different roads, thats kindof what we have now.

Currently it might be legal for someone to do 30 in the right lane and 75 in the left lane of a highway... a 45 mph differential.

Very similar to the limits I listed.

In a carpool lane I've done 60 next to people who were stopped and this is currently legal.

I know what you're saying about the difference in speed being the problem, which is why I tried to make it gradual. In some respects that's what we have today where the left lane is unofficially the fast lane. It's a tough problem to solve, but I think that it is a role that the government should be playing.
 
Originally posted by jpmontoya
Not an arbitrary number but a speed limit adapted to modern cars, instead of one that is set low to cash in on speeders.

If there was a system in place that allowed capable drivers in capable cars a way to drive more quickly than diesel trucks and old people in Crown Vics on their way to Shoney's for a 4:30 pm dinner, I might see a car enabled speed limiter as a reasonable trade-off for that right.

But if it is a mandatory, across the board speed limiter, even if it is set higher, I have a problem with it.

Here's a case where it would be dangerous: You are in a Mercedes E55 AMG (469hp) on a two lane road with a 55 mph speed limit. You end up behind some hippy in a VW microbus with a "Imagine Whirled Peas" bumper sticker doing 46. You wait for a place to pass and eventually come to a long downhill stretch that is a legal passing zone.

You floor the throttle and the Benz starts to catapult you past the microbus. Meanwhile, the microbus driver allows his vehicle to coast downhill and pick up speed to 55.

Suddenly, the limiter on the Benz kicks in and you hit a wall at 65mph (top speed allowed in the State you are in). You can barely creep past the VW.

Meanwhile a car comes the other way.

So now, the law has created a dangerous situation for all three people. If the Benz was not limited, you could have blasted right past the VW and minimized your "danger window" to nothing. But instead, the speed limiter has virtually eliminated your car's overtaking ability, making it dangerous for you, the guy in the VW and the guy coming the other way. Not a good situation.


M
 

A reflective, colored element mounted beside each license plate (tag) showing "Class A" in red, "Class B" in yellow, "Class C" in green, what have you, would do nicely.


on technical details... what if there is more than one driver for one car? and how do you see it from a speed trap 500ft ahead?

For speed differentials, some highways have 2-3 fast lanes in the middle, separated from the others lanes by concrete blocks, that could be it.

I'm wondering how they cope with speed differentials in Germany though.
 
some highways have 2-3 fast lanes in the middle, separated from the others lanes by concrete blocks, that could be it

I don't like this. It makes things more dangerous in case of an accident. Pileups are more likely to happen, cars will slide into the blocks, emergency vehicles will have a difficult time getting access and it will be difficult to remove the wreckage to allow traffic to flow again.

Those are bad. They have these walled lanes for carpools in houston texas and they're terrible.
 
Originally posted by danoff
I don't like this. It makes things more dangerous in case of an accident. Pileups are more likely to happen, cars will slide into the blocks, emergency vehicles will have a difficult time getting access and it will be difficult to remove the wreckage to allow traffic to flow again.

Those are bad. They have these walled lanes for carpools in houston texas and they're terrible.

The ones I know of are in Toronto and have very wide shoulders (as wide or wider than a lane) that makes it easier for emergency vehicules to get in.
 
Originally posted by jpmontoya
on technical details... what if there is more than one driver for one car? and how do you see it from a speed trap 500ft ahead?

I'm not sure about different drivers. Perhaps the colored emblem can be removable and passed from car to car. But then you'd have a convenience and theft issue.

The speed trap problem is much easier. The lasers can be retuned with a sensor that picks up a color frequency and automatically calculate whether car is speeding according to the displayed driver class. Not sure how costly this technology may be to adopt, though.


Originally posted by jpmontoya
For speed differentials, some highways have 2-3 fast lanes in the middle, separated from the others lanes by concrete blocks, that could be it.

Maybe. Either way, there will need to be a signifigant re-inventment in infrastructure.... its not a simple proposal by any means.

Originally posted by jpmontoya
I'm wondering how they cope with speed differentials in Germany.

My understanding is drivers in Germany have much, much better lane discipline than in other parts of the world. In the States "left lane campers" are par for the course and police simply do not enforce "slower traffic keep right". Over there, they are handled with typical German efficiency.


M
 
Well, in my system, speeding itself is not the primary offense, really, but dangerous driving is. If you get away with speeding for 5 years by doing it safely, then you will be promoted to the next class... but if you're busted in that time, you are sent down a level, and as I said the penalties double if you're exceeding your class limit.

So the maximum speed limit is set for the best class of driver. Anyone exceeding that number is driving dangerously by definition and subject to ticketing. Anyone driving dangerously is subject to ticketing for driving dangerously, with added penalty for speeding above class limit as a part of driving dangerously.

What's funny about ///M's point above is that I only feel safe and comfortable when moving at a 5-10 mph speed differential in traffic, particularly on freeways/interstates. I absolutely HATE running next to a car at the same speed.
 
Originally posted by Klostrophobic
Raise them. 55 MPH on a god damn highway is mind numbingly slow. Put them up around 80-85.

Wow. That must be a joke right? The limit here is 70mph but most people cruise at around 85 no problem. The speed limits here should stay as they are. If we increased them to 80-85, people would drive at over 100.
 
I proposed this a long time ago to the authorities. Although it didn't get passed. :(

I would like to see a special license system, based upon whether or not you can handle being a faster driver. It would be a special tag on your vehicle if you could, and a stock one if you can't. In order to get/keep the license, you must retain the ability to drive under control at a high velocity, testing every 6 months for that, and during your highway driving, you can invoke no accidents. If you are ever caught in a DUI anywhere, you lost the ability to receive such license. If you ever cause an accident while in the faster lane, you would lose the ability to have this license, unless of course for outstanding cicumstances. There are more rules and reg.'s in there, but you can figure them out from that.
 
I'm wondering how they cope with speed differentials in Germany.

There is mostly either 2 or 3 lanes. The law sais that you have to be faster than the people on the right lane if you want to drive on the right, since youre not allowed to overtake from the left in Germany. Mostly there are three lanes and the trucks usually drive on the right side and other slower cars in the middle or on the left. Depends on how fast you want to or acutally can drive at the moment.
 
If we increased them to 80-85, people would drive at over 100.

Increase them and enforce them. The only reason they're not enforced right now is because they're rediculously slow.
 
Originally posted by danoff
Increase them and enforce them. The only reason they're not enforced right now is because they're rediculously slow.

I think 70mph with a bit of leway is fine as a speed limit.
 
I've bene thinking about this. You know why a graduated speed limit system will never work? Because people hate the idea that laws treat different people differently (unless they're an ethnic group receiving special treatment).

Any serious attempt at adopting a system where some people can drive faster than others will ignite a sh^tstorm of contraversy.

Poor people will complain it gives rich people a new way to buy more favors from the government.

Old people will complain it allows young people to terrorize them while they clog our Sun Belt roads with their motorhomes.

Saftey Nazis will complain endlessly about the measure being a "License to Kill" people.

Lame socialists and dumb hippies will complain it creates social division by creating an "elite citizenry" and subsequent "social underclass" on the highways.

Environmentalists will complain it will destory the Earth.

Yadda, yadda... yadda yadda.



M
 
That's all correct. Most of it, in fact, actually validates the idea of graduated licenses. However, you are also correct in stating that it will never come to pass for those very reasons.
 
xcsti
Reviving a two year old thread but I found a video that did a little experiment on the subject...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5366552067462745475&q=meditation+speed+limit
What an bunch of annoying .............. :grumpy:

Far left lane/fast lane should be officially named the "passing lane". I should never have to pass on the right, but some people just like to play games or they simply don't understand the rules. During the speed limit or few mph over the speed limit does not mean you don't have to move out of the way of cars that are going faster than you. When I drive on I-5 thru Washington, there is a sign that says something in the effect of "slower cars, move right". We need them in Oregon as well.
 
What was the point of that? Safety? That van clipped a disabled car. Yeah, that's safe... They were also endangering themselves and others by infurating the other drivers. Stupid good-for-nothing hippies...:mad:

a6m5
When I drive on I-5 thru Washington, there is a sign that says something in the effect of "slower cars, move right". We need them in Oregon as well.
Trust me, they don't actually work. People drive with their heads up their asses all the time, going 55 in the left lane (speed limit through most of the I-5 corridor is 70, except in the urban areas). This summer it took me 4 hours to drive from Portland to Seattle (2.5 hour trip in light traffic), mostly because there were clusters of cars were all going 60 and blocking the entire freeway. I don't like driving aggressively, but I also don't like being held up for no reason. I had to, uh, gently suggest that people to move over a couple of times. Washington/Oregon drivers are so oblivious and slow.
 
kylehnat
What was the point of that? Safety? That van clipped a disabled car. Yeah, that's safe... They were also endangering themselves and others by infurating the other drivers.
That was their point. The guy at the end said they were putting themselves in danger by obeying the law, maybe the law ought to be changed.


Anyway, our state (KY) legislature is voting to raise the limit to 70. 👍

Now when I get a ticket it won't be as expensive. :D
 
FoolKiller
Anyway, our state (KY) legislature is voting to raise the limit to 70. 👍

Now when I get a ticket it won't be as expensive. :D


:lol: Good stuff!
 
Here's my suggestion on speed limits:

They should be officially guidelines, not limits. Perhaps no limit is necessary but exceeding the guildeline by much would be likely to get you pulled over for reckless driving.

I'd like to see more of a focus put back on pulling over people who are endangering others, rather than strict adherence to a rule without regard to the purpose of that rule.
 
danoff
They should be officially guidelines, not limits. Perhaps no limit is necessary but exceeding the guildeline by much would be likely to get you pulled over for reckless driving.

I'd like to see more of a focus put back on pulling over people who are endangering others, rather than strict adherence to a rule without regard to the purpose of that rule.
I like the idea, but the state needs the revenue from pulling over people and giving them $100 tickets for going 5 mph over the speed limit.
 
kylehnat
I like the idea, but the state needs the revenue from pulling over people and giving them $100 tickets for going 5 mph over the speed limit.

Then why don't they lower my state taxes? I'm serious. I pay a LOT in state taxes so that needs to be offset somewhere. Why not through traffic fines.
 
kylehnat
I like the idea, but the state needs the revenue from pulling over people and giving them $100 tickets for going 5 mph over the speed limit.

That's no reason to keep things the way they are. They have sufficient revenue, they need to figure out where to cut expenses.
 
Most of our speed limits are 70mph in Michigan so it makes it really difficult to drive in other states that are set at 55mph. :ouch:
My Camaro cant even idle in 6th gear at 55mph. It will barely idle at that. I would probably have to shift to 5th.
 
I think all states should have an interstate limit of 70. That way you don't have some 65, some 70, others 75, some still 55. I think Ron White has a hilarious joke about speed limits in Texas, "...because going the same speed on the same road just...doesn't make sense."
I think speed limits, they are already "guidelines", should be posted much more often and more clearly. The limits should make sense. You have an astonishingly long, straight stretch of highway...use it! You don't have to, of course, because fuel mileage decreases rapidly in an inverse relationhip to speed. If you aren't taking advantage of the high-speed opportunity, you should stick to the right lane. Which brings me to another complaint I have that I'll speak on later.
OK, I can't stand it, I'll speak on it now. I hate stupid people that ride in the fast lane going the same speed as those in any other lane. I hate it when people pull out in the right lane, if they were chillin' in the left, to pass somebody, but only go about 2 mph faster than the car they are passing. Then they have to pull an entire 53 footer length in front of the car they passed so they have "enough room" and don't "cut them off" when they get back into their lave. Holy craaaaap!, you got rooooom! And those people that pull out without looking in their mirrors, arrgghh! And those who pull in front of you because they did look in their mirrors and thought you were going too fast for their tastes. I swear, one day I'm gonna just keep going, right into the back of their car, then do a U-turn to the other side of the highway and get out of there really quick.
We have this road near my house, a busy one; it goes to the Dayton Mall. At night it isn't too crowded, but the people still cruise about 35-40 mph. The limit is 45. Jesus Christ, go, fool, go! Only 5...mph..to..go...arrr...****, they stopped speeding up!! That's what I feel like. So frustrating! The American memebers will know this one: Those four lane city streets that have a fifth "unisex" turn lane in the middle, the one in between the yellow lines. You know those people that pull out of a parking lot into that lane, usually because the road is really crowded, so they can pull into the road when traffic passes? Sometimes they do it just cause they're lazy b.astards, like in the middle of the night. I slow down right next to these people, when there isn't much traffic, of course, and when they speed up to pull in front of me, I speed up too. They realize I'm messing with them, so they slow to pull in behind me. I slow down too. We just keep going, sometimes slowing back to a stop. It could last 15+ seconds. Then I just speed off, leaving them dazed and confused. Hilarious!
What else pisses me off?.....red light runners! It's an epidemic. Around the mall people just go when they frickin' feel like it. I've owned quit a few of them; I'm a brave, defensive driver, like my dad. I try not to do stupid, annoying, illegal stuff because I know it pisses people off. So when someone does it to me, I, well, get pissed. I play games with them, and I usually win.
Back on topic, even if there were no speed limits I wouldn't go much faster than I do now. The only difference would be that I would never think "I might get a ticket for this." I rarely do crazy 100-in-a-35 stuff. Actually, I never have. I drive spirited, with performance in mind, yet I've never personally driven over 100mph. And that was on the highway. I drive whatever feels safe. Sometimes it is well over the speed limit, sometimes it's under the limit. I drive what is appropriate for the weather conditions, what is appropriate for the car I'm driving, what is appropriate for the surroundings, etc. I don't like driving at night, so I don't very often. Some people drive with complete disregard for any of the stuff I listed, and those are the people who get in wrecks. The ones that didn't play video games and never developed good peripheral vision. I see all. I only pay attention to what is important, usually the car in front of me. I watch when he slows, when he accelerates, I match it, keep decent distance, all that good stuff. If there is no car I pay attention to the road ahead, I read curves, I'm rarely surprised by a change in the road, I don't get scared when most people would, if I get in a predicament I think quickly and act, rather than just acting, like "regular" drivers. I experiment every now and then, and if I find something I can't do well or don't want to do again, I don't do it again. Like the time I spun my dad's truck out in the rain. I didn't think it would be that touchy; I had drifted it a few times earlier that day. But it didn't like that particular corner, and I haven't tried that since.
I actually think about what I'm doing when I'm driving. Most people don't think about the car, what it can handle, they don't have a feel for the details, they can't picture the car's reaction before it happens, so they are surprised and can't react appropriately. I'm not a race car driver, no where near it, but I have a better handle on my car than 90% of others. I'm sure there a lot of people on this site that are above average in driving skill.
Here's another thing. I think this country should have rules that are followed closely, like in Germany and most of Europe. I know that will never happen, because this country goes out instead of up. Everything is far apart. Even regular people have to drive to get to work. In Germany driving liscences are very expensive and take a long time to aquire, so only those who want to drive, usually they're alright at it, or those who must drive get their liscence. We will never have a multitude of competant drivers in this country, there are simply too many people.
What was I getting at with that? Oh, we need two different types of "driving schools" in this country. A law related school, like we have now, and an actual driving school, where people learn how to control their vehicles under various situations, learn to drive a stick, etc. so they don't have to figure it out on the streets. Your car starts fishtailing in the snow. What do you do? You better figure it out quick, but if you would have been taught, you would be able to react more effectively. You get the idea? So many people have never heard of threshold braking. It's absolutely amazing. What, you don't have ABS? Just stomp that pedal and fry those tires! No, actually, you should find the "sweet spot", where the tires are right on the edge of locking up. It takes a little finesse and skill, but it's mostly common sense. If your tires aren't rolling, you can't turn. This technique solves that problem. I've been in two situations where I had to use it, and if I wouldn't have Dad would have been pissed.:D
I know all this stuff costs money, which is why this is a pointless argument. The big G has it all figured out. They have to make everyone happy, balance fuel economy with getting there quickly, make driver's permits fairly inexpensive so those who need/want one can easily get one, all sorts of crap. The system won't change. The only change I see that could occur is posting limits more often. That's about it.
I really don't know if I made any good points in that cluster, but I said what I said.
 
keef
What was I getting at with that? Oh, we need two different types of "driving schools" in this country. A law related school, like we have now, and an actual driving school, where people learn how to control their vehicles under various situations, learn to drive a stick, etc. so they don't have to figure it out on the streets.
You must be using a spiffy hammer, because you hit the nail right smack on the head. Our driver's ed training is a joke. As somebody pointed out in another thread, they teach the rules of the road, but do nothing to actually teach you how to operate a vehicle effectively. Even when you get behind the wheel of a driver's ed car, the instructor only points out which laws you're breaking.

And this creates THE singular problem I see with drivers in this country: they have no driving/vehicular sense whatsoever. And that is why we need speed limits. If they weren't there, people would continue to drive like retards on crack, only they would be doing it at a horrendously unsafe speed. And probably 50% of teenagers would die from driving 100 mph on the way to school.

I don't have a real problem with speed limits per se, but I do have a problem with people/cops/news thinking that speeding and reckless driving are one and the same.
 
Exactly. Speed does not kill people, stupid people that don't know when or why to use speed and how to control it kill people. It's not only that--people that don't know how to turn their car, what its limits are, people that can't brake properly, people that think they can change lanes quickly while going 100mph +, etc. kill people.
I understand that only a fraction of Americans care enough about cars to know how to drive them skillfully or care about learning to drive well. Only a fraction of people care enough about a guitar to be able to play it like a pro. I always get "Why should I have to drive well. Why can't you play a guitar as good as me?" I must ask, when is the last time they drove their guitar to work. Guitar isn't an important part of everyone's life, a car is. There are a lot of cars out there, they're heavy, and sometimes I wonder why the hell they're so powerful, though I like it. They can be dangerous if used improperly, and they can save your life if you use them properly.
I've said this before, but videogames actually do help the brain/eye/hand coordination. I know it sounds rediculous, and no adult, except those who play games, which are few, will never be convinced of this. Most of the time I am halfway dozed off in my car, yet when my eye catches something interesting, a light, for example, I pop right up to check it out. Now you probably think I'm unsafe, but I think you get what I'm saying. How many races have I annihilated in GT4 with my eyes crossed? I'm sure you have, too. I pick a spot I like and I stare at it as though it is the hottest pair of tits I've ever seen.:lol:
I also think everyone over 30 years old should be required by law to pay to go back to driving school. My dad never went to driving school. I've never seen him use his blinker. Sometimes I tell him "Try your blinker" while we sit in a slow moving traffic jam. He does nothing. I am stupified by this behavior.
 
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