SRT TOMAHAWK VISION GT OT (Now available)

[Bo]

I am a fan of what the automobile represents and I view things like VGT as an excuse to think outside the box as we really don't know what the future holds for the automobile.

Certainly not this. You seem to be confusing potential for creativity with something that cannot feasibly exist, ever. The world would need a new physics engine, so to speak.

 

[Niku Driver HC]

The air in it is more toxic than an actual acid factory. Or was in the previous pages, at any rate.

Don't disagree with you there, mate. You need a gas mask just to withstand the toxicness of the atmosphere in the previous pages. And I get the feeling that we won't be done with that yet, not until the car has been released, I bet...

 

[C-ZETA]

It's also the fact that some stuff said here has been just plain wrong.
I mean, what implication is there that the remaining VGTers would try to match this? Looking at Nike and Jordan's (I'm most excited for those two because they look the maddest. Also sport) I don't think they'll be inclined to try and match it. Nor would Daihatsu, I suspect...lots of people saying Ford but theirs just looks like a lightweight from its sketch. I also reckon they're smarter than that but that's probably just my perception.

...mind you, Tesla's has this kind of look to it in its sketch. Only they'd make their hyper-hypercar all electric, of course. Can't wait to see a reaction to something like that... -_-

 

[SVPSkins]

The number of invalid laps worry me.

considering its the first time he had driven it, i think people need to give him a break

 

[ZoidFile]

I believe you are being too harsh with the common sense statement.

I am just poking some fun, you know?. For the most part I actually quite like the VGT program. The car industry has become very restricted and stale over the years because of the many safety, economic and environmental laws. So its pretty interesting so see the engineers and designers just go bonkers.

 

[Niku Driver HC]

It's also the fact that some stuff said here has been just plain wrong.
I mean, what implication is there that the remaining VGTers would try to match this? Looking at Nike and Jordan's (I'm most excited for those two because they look the maddest. Also sport) I don't think they'll be inclined to try and match it. Nor would Daihatsu, I suspect...lots of people saying Ford but theirs just looks like a lightweight from its sketch. I also reckon they're smarter than that but that's probably just my perception.

...mind you, Tesla's has this kind of look to it in its sketch. Only they'd make their hyper-hypercar all electric, of course. Can't wait to see a reaction to something like that... -_-

You are right on that, Nike and Jordan will do what they think it'll look right for each respective companies, but I do bet their "cars" will be some insane designs all things considered. Daihatsu is the dark horse of this project for me, at least because most of their cars have been kei-car-sized, and the very few large ones are rebadged Camry models. Of course, being part of the Toyota group (who have reused old concept car designs for all their models), it might be a rehashed concept as well...

And you think Tesla will take flak for being an electric car? I'm afraid that won't the car which will get the most abuse; the one car that will do that is the Bertone. If the SRT, which looks reasonably like a modern-day hypercar, is taking this much flak already, what do you think a car that looks like the Urano will be? I can only shudder thinking of the day (if it happens) when the Urano gets unveiled...

 

[Islaygaz]

For me the VGT project is about what cars will be like in the future. Some manufacturers are looking only 10ish years others a lot further. Yea the SRT X is insane and completely unrealistic now but if you think about the ford model T, started production in the 1900s 100 yrs later we have the Bugatti Veyron, Koenigsegggggggggg thing, Pagani Zonda, McLaren P1 plus many more insane real cars! Add in advances in engineering, materials, production techniques, etc. who knows what the future holds for the automotive industry. Maybe laser powered cars will become the norm in the next 100yrs!

 

[Vic Reign93]

Looking at that lap again, I noticed Traction Control and Stability Control are on.

I'm guessing with them turned off and someone who's spent some time adjusting to the Tomahawk's perfomance, it could do a mid 40's time, maybe a 43 or less perhaps?

 

[C-ZETA]

And you think Tesla will take flak for being an electric car?

No no no, if it turns out to be anything close to this.

 

[The Stig Farmer]

- posted with bum. Ignore

 

[Niku Driver HC]

No no no, if it turns out to be anything close to this.

Oh, I see. Well, if the previous two American VGTs are anything to go by (I'm not saying it'll be something that will happen with 100% certainty, mind you), then the Tesla might go down the same path. And if the car's teaser is also anything to go by, it's already on the same path as the Tomahawk...

 

[ZoidFile]

who knows what the future holds for the automotive industry. Maybe laser powered cars will become the norm in the next 100yrs!

I think all future cars will be driven by small household nuclear reactors, it will be all the rage.

 

[nocturnalgrey]

I think all future cars will be driven by small household nuclear reactors, it will be all the rage.

I hope not, I don't have reservations to Vault 101.

 

[notStig]

Oh, I see. Well, if the previous two American VGTs are anything to go by (I'm not saying it'll be something that will happen with 100% certainty, mind you), then the Tesla might go down the same path. And if the car's teaser is also anything to go by, it's already on the same path as the Tomahawk...

Tesla for their VGT project will probably want to show how powerful and fast electric cars can be. I wouldn't be surpised if we see a 1000+ hp supercar, like the Rimac Concept One for example, or better. It would be fun if it ends up being a Tomahawk S rival.

 

[R5]

...mind you, Tesla's has this kind of look to it in its sketch. Only they'd make their hyper-hypercar all electric, of course. Can't wait to see a reaction to something like that... -_-

And Citroen, of course.

180 mph in reverse!

 

[Niku Driver HC]

Tesla for their VGT project will probably want to show how powerful and fast electric cars can be. I wouldn't be surpised if we see a 1000+ hp supercar, like the Rimac Concept One for example, or better. It would be fun if it ends up being a Tomahawk S rival.

Could be, knowing how powerful the Model S P85D already is. I wouldn't put it past Mr. Musk the creation of an even more powerful hypercar from those perfomance figures...

And Citroen, of course.

180 mph in reverse!

Pfft, the trucks in "Big Rigs Over The Road Racing" go even faster in reverse, even faster than the Tomahawk X's top speed. Think you can beat that?

 

[cutmeamango]

Certainly not this. You seem to be confusing potential for creativity with something that cannot feasibly exist, ever. The world would need a new physics engine, so to speak.

This car is not a physical impossibility.
This car is not and may not be feasible for a long while because no one will ever throw the hundreds of millions in development of a prototype for no reason and no return.

And this is not even a question of people laughing at the idea of rocket propulsion when looking at fireworks.
This is simply understood as possible with current knowledge and current tools to simulate such scenarios.

Sure, that lends itself to lots of performance that few cars can easily match without spending a lot more, but nothing about it is in any way "outlandish" when by definition what SRT did to get the performance was pretty much the opposite of the things shown on this VGT.
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Just throwing around "over the top" and "outlandish" like they are buzzwords doesn't mean anything if one of the vehicles you're using to compare to this amazing theoretical future car was criticized for its dated sensibilities compared to its competitors the second it was announced; and the other one deliberately uses old school design ideas to thumb its nose at the cars that compete against it that are closer in spirit to the VGT.

While you see SRT's aspects being "able to pull out performance out of a budget", they see "building cars with performances ahead of others". Their video clearly shows they don't think themselves as underdogs that pull feats. So yeah, most of that is just you not agreeing with what they see themselves as.

And you seem to have a particular perspective for Vision cars that was never estabilished or said so. Vision cars are not meant to follow the same guidelines or fall into a normalized by performance category called "Vision GT", it's a collaboration between makers and GT to exercise their "visions". Of the future.

This post feels like the past.

 

[JR98]

This car is not a physical impossibility.
This car is not and may not be feasible for a long while because no one will ever throw the hundreds of millions in development of a prototype for no reason and no return.

And this is not even a question of people laughing at the idea of rocket propulsion when looking at fireworks.
This is simply understood as possible with current knowledge and current tools to simulate such scenarios.

Granted this car may be possible if the manufacturers would put the money in, we are getting close to the 1500HP mark in production cars anyhow, but I bet no big manufacturer sees the gain in making incredibly overpowered stealth fighter like cars over the cost of, even just the R&D required to get the cars to those speeds

 

[Tornado]

This car is not a physical impossibility.
This car is not and may not be feasible for a long while because no one will ever throw the hundreds of millions in development of a prototype for no reason and no return.

It's strange that you keep expressing this, yet the actual teaser video doesn't seem to agree with you.

While you see SRT's aspects being "able to pull out performance out of a budget", they see "building cars with performances ahead of others". Their video clearly shows they don't think themselves as underdogs that pull feats. So yeah, most of that is just you not agreeing with what they see themselves as.

It's nice that you take press packets at face value, I guess. Has absolutely nothing to do with what trustjab said, though; since he was directly linking what they have done in "the past" with this car.

And you seem to have a particular perspective for Vision cars that was never estabilished or said so. Vision cars are not meant to follow the same guidelines or fall into a normalized by performance category called "Vision GT", it's a collaboration between makers and GT to exercise their "visions". Of the future.

So maybe you can answer the questions I asked earlier, since you got the true intent all figured out. Here they are again:

Put another way, if the VGT program is going to devolve into an arms race for who can come up with the most ridiculous thing they can put wheels on, why does the program even matter? Why the hoopla about getting real car designers to design these things if they are just throwing out Hot Wheels cars? Why not just have the PD member's kids draw them and cut out the middleman?

 

[kembro]

http://www.musclecarszone.com/worlds-nastiest-most-powerful-street-car-2500hp-1963-plymouth-valiant/

Personally I think the power can be achieved.

 

[GT_Alex74]

I don't understand the whole air-powered front wheels (magic !) so I won't say anything on that, but for sure, dropping 300kf of weight while adding huge active aero stuff all around and considering the car's proportions, that seems like pure fantasy to me. That GTS-R version just weights as much as a kei car ! They're not playing the game in my opinion, the other manufacturers may have come with crazy things, but all in all, the figures they claimed seemed credible given the technologies imagined. These SRTs just feel like Super Size menus : they just took everything people already done, and tripled it. Here's how I imagine the R&D meet :

Hey guys, let's design fancy looking stuff and give it cracking numbers to outperform everythiiiiing ! Anyone can pass the join ?

http://www.musclecarszone.com/worlds-nastiest-most-powerful-street-car-2500hp-1963-plymouth-valiant/

Personally I think the power can be achieved.

Power is no problem here, but that may be the only thing.

 

[Niku Driver HC]

I don't understand the whole air-powered front wheels (magic !) so I won't say anything on that, but for sure, dropping 300kf of weight while adding huge active aero stuff all around and considering the car's proportions, that seems like pure fantasy to me. That GTS-R version just weights as much as a kei car ! They're not playing the game in my opinion, the other manufacturers may have come with crazy things, but all in all, the figures they claimed seemed credible given the technologies imagined. These SRTs just feel like Super Size menus : they just took everything people already done, and tripled it.

I understand your point of view, the weight figures do sound a bit too much, but did SRT actually say anything about the materials that make the car? I know the interior and the "spine" are made from some derivate of carbon fibre, but the body itself didn't really come with material especifications attached to it... Unless I'm missing something here, of course. And to be fair, it's already hard for me to believe that the Peugeot weighs 875 kg, considering how bulky it looks. But you do have your right to be doubtful about the weight figures, don't get me wrong.

 

[cutmeamango]

Granted this car may be possible if the manufacturers would put the money in, we are getting close to the 1500HP mark in production cars anyhow, but I bet no big manufacturer sees the gain in making incredibly overpowered stealth fighter like cars over the cost of, even just the R&D required to get the cars to those speeds

I compared before with the efforts of the Formula 1, a very estabilished racing league for decades and decades.
Technical evolution there has a purpose, they have (had) a considerable return with advertising and supporters, and so on. Their cars cost millions and millions in development whenever a considerable change has to be made.

Most makers there are having problems with the budget. So yeah, no one would touch this.

So maybe you can answer the questions I asked earlier, since you got the true intent all figured out. Here they are again:

There's no arms race. Sure Hyundai's will be a futuristic F1 open wheel type, and Lamborghini's and Jordan's will be wack at least visually, but so far, no arms race, no 1-uping either.
Hell, I know the Alpine (initial) concepts are from 2012... So either they messaged each other and some decided to race themselves back when GT6 was releasing or again, there's no arms race.

You have the Chaparral with its ablation thrust and this Tomahawk X with its supercharged turbo, hyperaspirated, fast and large V10 engine with a powerful hybrid system. No arms race.
All the other cars so far are "normal". You could say some even follow the Cayenne school of putting sports car engines in normal car bodies.

Vision GT is not losing its purpose or plot, it was meant as a space of 'collaboration between makers and GT to exercise their "visions".'

If you feel designers (and engineers) think of hot wheels cars when they don't have to meet production criterias, that's okay. I'm sure that has been repeated through history outside of GT for many concept cars. Hot Wheels inspire themselves in car designs and concepts after all.

 

[TayeezSA]

All that Active Aero....

 

[MatskiMonk]

I compared before with the efforts of the Formula 1, a very estabilished racing league for decades and decades.
Technical evolution there has a purpose, they have (had) a considerable return with advertising and supporters, and so on. Their cars cost millions and millions in development whenever a considerable change has to be made.

Most makers there are having problems with the budget. So yeah, no one would touch this.

So yeah, a car like this

F1 regulates against some of the more exotic materials that could be used for heavy drivetrain components in order to keep costs sensible (did I just say sensible ) And they pretty much all make the minimum weight. De-reg F1 and the cars would be lighter.

 

[GT_Alex74]

I understand your point of view, the weight figures do sound a bit too much, but did SRT actually say anything about the materials that make the car? I know the interior and the "spine" are made from some derivate of carbon fibre, but the body itself didn't really come with material especifications attached to it... Unless I'm missing something here, of course. And to be fair, it's already hard for me to believe that the Peugeot weighs 875 kg, considering how bulky it looks. But you do have your right to be doubtful about the weight figures, don't get me wrong.

I don't see what could be used that would be sturdy enough, while not being actually too hard, that is not carbon fiber, kevlar or titanium. If it does exist, just let me know. Honestly, I can see the Street version happening, not the GTS-R : you can't just shake off 300kg while adding some fast active aero devices.

 

[CaptainTNT]

I am looking forward to when the SRT Tomahawks come to GT6.

 

[cutmeamango]

F1 regulates against some of the more exotic materials that could be used for heavy drivetrain components in order to keep costs sensible (did I just say sensible ) And they pretty much all make the minimum weight. De-reg F1 and the cars would be lighter.

Weight regulations right now are bad, drivers need athletic conditions in model figures, so wrong. And exactly, along with engine freezes, they have to think of the costs for all teams, lest they have 3-4 teams running.

 

[masterrawad]

I don't see what could be used that would be sturdy enough, while not being actually too hard, that is not carbon fiber, kevlar or titanium. If it does exist, just let me know. Honestly, I can see the Street version happening, not the GTS-R : you can't just shake off 300kg while adding some fast active aero devices.

If the Tomahawk VGT doesn't have an interior...I think that'll explain your weight solution!

 

[MatskiMonk]

I don't see what could be used that would be sturdy enough, while not being actually too hard, that is not carbon fiber, kevlar or titanium. If it does exist, just let me know. Honestly, I can see the Street version happening, not the GTS-R : you can't just shake off 300kg while adding some fast active aero devices.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/2...r-than-titanium-but-lighter-than-aluminum.htm

That's just one example of plausible tech that's close enough for SRT to claim it as possible in 20 years time.