SRT TOMAHAWK VISION GT OT (Now available)

[nocturnalgrey]

Certainly not this. You seem to be confusing potential for creativity with something that cannot feasibly exist, ever. The world would need a new physics engine, so to speak.

I fail to see how I am. Stop and think about my original analogy regarding the opposition that the Wright brothers faced when developing an airplane. I can imagine those that opposed those two said something very similar.

Plus... stop and look at the last 100 years of human history as compared to the previous 1900 years from a pure automotive standpoint. What's the next 100 years have in store for us? We'll be dead before we find out that answer!

 

[Niku Driver HC]

I don't see what could be used that would be sturdy enough, while not being actually too hard, that is not carbon fiber, kevlar or titanium. If it does exist, just let me know. Honestly, I can see the Street version happening, not the GTS-R : you can't just shake off 300kg while adding some fast active aero devices.

While I can't give you a clear answer to the material question, I can tell you that you are making a little mistake regarding the GTS-R; the only active aero device being used there is the rear wing. The X version is the one with the multiple active aero devices (i.e. the multiple air break flaps and the active rear wing), which simply do not exist in the GTS-R (the panels where the flaps would be placed are empty, as those portions were simply removed as part of the "weight reduction" process).

 

[RACECAR]

Just imagine what this car would even be like if it was oiled. :3

 

[cjr3559]

I wonder what Seasonal PD has in mind for the X model. London reverse?

 

[Niku Driver HC]

I wonder what Seasonal PD has in mind for the X model. London reverse?

Yeah... no, I hope to God not. If anything, it'll be the High Speed Ring, just like the 2X...

 

[Vic Reign93]

Yeah... no, I hope to God not. If anything, it'll be the High Speed Ring, just like the 2X...

I don't think it will be, the speeds that car can do could will make the lap incredibly short.

I'll bet on it being at either Laguna Seca, Willow Springs or Indianapolis raceway.

Why? When BMW and Volkswagen had their TT events they were at the Nurburgring.

When Infiniti brought out their car, the TT event was at Streets of Willow so SRT might have their TT's at American tracks.

Of course, they could completely flip the table on my theory and set the X model event on Sierra.

 

[Skygrasper550]

Just watched the new video... holy crap. EVERYTHING about that Version X of the SRT VGT is insane. Insane acceleration, insane grip and handling coupled with insane deceleration... insane body panels that move constantly depending on how fast the car is going or how hard the car is turning... even the exhaust flare when downshifting is insane!! And while it may not be able to beat the X1 in terms of going fast around racetracks, I think it's safety to say that this car may prove to be a match, maybe even more, to the Chaparral 2X.

I. CAN'T. WAIT.

Yeah... no, I hope to God not. If anything, it'll be the High Speed Ring, just like the 2X...

I digress, Autumn Ring Mini is a better idea. 💡

 

[RACECAR]

I wonder what Seasonal PD has in mind for the X model. London reverse?

A car that looks just as difficult to drive with a wheel as the Red Bull AT London?

 

[guywithanAE86]

You'd probably finish special stage route X in like a minute in that monstrocity That thing's a beast, I'm down to give it a go in that!

 

[kembro]

Think we may find the panels are graphene composite, maybe Graphenium, titanium graphene, lighter and stronger than carbon fibre.

 

[fortbo]

Think we may find the panels are graphene composite, maybe Graphenium, titanium graphene, lighter and stronger than carbon fibre.

Nice avatar.

 

[notStig]

Think we may find the panels are graphene composite, maybe Graphenium, titanium graphene, lighter and stronger than carbon fibre.

Although the panels appear to be carbon fiber, the GT website says the "clear cockpit and engine covers are made of graphene lattice". So you are on the right track.

I wonder what Seasonal PD has in mind for the X model. London reverse?

Or Matterhorn...

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

For me the VGT project is about what cars will be like in the future. Some manufacturers are looking only 10ish years others a lot further. Yea the SRT X is insane and completely unrealistic now but if you think about the ford model T, started production in the 1900s 100 yrs later we have the Bugatti Veyron, Koenigsegggggggggg thing, Pagani Zonda, McLaren P1 plus many more insane real cars! Add in advances in engineering, materials, production techniques, etc. who knows what the future holds for the automotive industry. Maybe laser powered cars will become the norm in the next 100yrs!

The problem with you theory is some of us actually are working toward this and work with people that are doing such things and in fact would say this is nothing but video game realm gone mad and not what the future holds. Especially when renewable sources of energy and cleaner energy in all shapes and forms of cars is to be obtained, not 2500hp hybrid ICEs or laser propulsion systems from a bored auto designer.

As for your examples, they're dated by some 30 plus years. What we see in current super cars today is nothing spectacular compared to the fact that they're only doing what race cars were utilizing 30-40+ years ago. And if you stop there the Veyron and Agera and Zonda whatever become less intriguing due to cars in the late 80s to mid 90s doing the things they do now or not far off from it. If anything the automotive road car are like computers in a sense with Moore's Law, they're restricted and can only grow so far before it becomes a diminishing return.

Which could be due to how asinine the costs are to achieve such a car even for the super rich, or how unrealistic it is in the practical sense for the road. The only version of this car that seems feasible (sort of) is a race version any other version is just fantasy gone wild.

Weight regulations right now are bad, drivers need athletic conditions in model figures, so wrong. And exactly, along with engine freezes, they have to think of the costs for all teams, lest they have 3-4 teams running.

There isn't an engine freeze, just wanted to fix that for you and they will most likely be increasing weight limits or balancing it out so drivers don't have to do that when the rules are updated as has been suggested.

 

[Epic B]

Think we may find the panels are graphene composite, maybe Graphenium, titanium graphene, lighter and stronger than carbon fibre.

Although the panels appear to be carbon fiber, the GT website says the "clear cockpit and engine covers are made of graphene lattice". So you are on the right track.



Or Matterhorn...

Yeah, carbon fiber body panels make sense. Not sure how many places they'd put graphene. But I could care less with a fictional car.

 

[Polsixe]

Also, how the hell does a pneumatic driven wheels work? I feel sorry for PD's physics team that keeps having to accomodate these crazy one off cars

Must be some kind of air compressor that fills a tank, then releases the pressure to drive a turbine connected to the front wheels. I don't think it would work too well or even last more than a few seconds.

 

[SVPSkins]

I wonder what Seasonal PD has in mind for the X model. London reverse?

Autumn ring mini

 

[sparkytooth]

GT Arena Layout A super lap.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

Must be some kind of air compressor that fills a tank, then releases the pressure to drive a turbine connected to the front wheels. I don't think it would work too well or even ladt more than a few seconds.

Yeah that's what I thought. Any power boost is going to be a short amount of time only. So why have the system in the first place and add weight (although the weight figures as it is pretty unrealistic anyway).

Also the driving video is just pure crazy I expect the acceleration to be insane, but it looks like it has too much grip, even for active aero. The Red Bull cars have the benefit of the fan at lower speeds, but this car doesn't, so it should be a handful in the tight corners. But in that video there's not even a hint of wheelspin.

 

[sparkytooth]

I want to see gameplay of the S version.

 

[trustjab]

Because I don't care that tuners have made some other cars go fast, so I didn't respond to that. I was responding to the part where you talked about what SRT has done in the past as if that has anything to do with this car, because you're overstating what they have done in the past and representing it as something that it isn't to begin with. I picked out fixed aero and sedans because you specifically named them.





The Charger/Challenger Hellcat are essentially the SRT-392 versions of those two cars with superchargers installed and some custom body panels. It's impressive that they built them and did so at such a low price when their direct competitors are deliberately abandoning the blunt instrument style performance the Hellcat represents, but there is nothing "over the top" about a large displacement iron block pushrod engine with a supercharger shoved into a full size sedan/coupe; and nothing about them is in any way "outlandish" when they were just responding to Ford's 660HP GT500 which released two years prior. The Viper SRT-10 ACR of both generations is essentially the SRT-10 with a high downforce fixed (but adjustable) aero kit installed, modified suspension/tires and the interior stripped. Sure, that lends itself to lots of performance that few cars can easily match without spending a lot more, but nothing about it is in any way "outlandish" when by definition what SRT did to get the performance was pretty much the opposite of the things shown on this VGT.

How do you get from "humongous sedan that is mostly just very fast in a straight line" to "AWD hybrid V10 mid engined supercar"? How do you get from "Dodge Viper with a very good traditional aerodynamics package" to "entire car is covered with active air shutter devices"? Nothing SRT has ever done was anything except conventional. They add more power, or wider tires, or better suspension, or huge amounts of downforce; and generally just brute force their way over the competition. They might be the last ones to keep plugging away at whatever they're doing (like the Hellcat), and are regularly the ones to push it farther than anyone else (pretty much everything they've made except the Crossfire); but extreme innovation is not (and since they no longer exist as a separate company like they did when VGT was announced, likely never will be) their forte. Just throwing around "over the top" and "outlandish" like they are buzzwords doesn't mean anything if one of the vehicles you're using to compare to this amazing theoretical future car was criticized for its dated sensibilities compared to its competitors the second it was announced; and the other one deliberately uses old school design ideas to thumb its nose at the cars that compete against it that are closer in spirit to the VGT.

So because you think srt or chrysler hasnt done anything extreme in the sort of active aero or some other feature these cars have, that it has no relation to the company? Sorry, but that doesn't fly imo.

You can poke fun at me, calling out my "buzz words", it doesn't bother me. They're just adjectives to describe the cars currently in their lineup. Just because you dont feel there is anything that they have done or are doing relates, doesn't make it so. What matters here is what srt's vision is for the future.

And who are we to tell srt what their vision is? Unless you work for them, you have no say but your own point of view. We can argue it till your blue in the face, or in this case, your fingers and hands cramp. But we dont need the long winded responses about why one opinion is right. Thats essentially the argument. Your opinion is right concerning the direction of srt's vision. My buzz words are my opinion on what we see here and what we currently see from srt. But unlike what youre doing, Im not saying srt is wrong and this vision is too far removed from reality. Only safety concerns and restrictive rules keep race cars from being monsters like this vision gt. A car like the X version isnt practical, but does that mean its impossible? I personally dont think so, but Im not saying thats fact!

 

[McLaren]

To anyone questioning the speed, there were guys in texas running 1800hp street Vipers hitting 240+mph in the standing mile. And thats back in 2011. Afaik, the newest record is ~280mph by a 2000hp Ford GT. This is a standing mile, btw, pure acceleration. Theres nothing unreasonable about a fast Chrysler. Those hellcat models comes to mind. And for those corner carvers, the ACR Viper is near unbeatable. They have plenty of history of outlandish cars.

So because people have accomplished high horsepower in 1 field, & then accomplished a street legal track car in another field, that totally justifies the VGT car as something possible?

Why are you picking out things like fixed aero and sedans? The post was about three things...

The speeds reached in these cars isnt just 'video game realm' because with 2000hp you can go over 270mph irl.

With cars that will never physically cover Laguna Seca in under 1 minute.

The Viper ACR has a history to itself as being a 'race car' on the street with some of the highest cornering speeds aside from race cars.

That would never be able to accomplish that with 2,500hp.

And the Hellcat example was it being a car that's a 4-door making 700+hp, definitely over-the-top, just like this concept.

So Im saying Chrysler, Dodge, SRT etc. has a history of extreme cars. If this is their vision, its not unlike the company to push the envelope. As far as realism, I remember an Auto Magazine doing a piece on future racecars with drivers having cars with 6 wheels, active aero, fans, wearing g-suits and it was all feasible or withing the realm of possibility. I'll have to do some digging but I think it was motortrend magazine.

Of which the VGT car is not. As someone in the thread noted, the technology required for this car to do what the Laguna Seca video showcased does not exist.

 

[Chikane_GTR]

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[psntomaz]

So because you think srt or chrysler hasnt done anything extreme in the sort of active aero or some other feature these cars have, that it has no relation to the company? Sorry, but that doesn't fly imo.

There are A LOT of Test SRT has done most people dont even know about. They have done a Hybrid Race Viper test car before.
http://www.allpar.com/cars/viper/viper-project.html

 

[MOPARbarrett5]

I wonder what Seasonal PD has in mind for the X model. London reverse?

Maybe Toscana, 2500+ horsepower on dirt would be "fun".

 

[R5]

Maybe Toscana, 2500+ horsepower on dirt would be "fun".

That does sound fun... in the way Russian roulette would be.

 

[Pseudopod]

GT Arena Layout A super lap.

Actually laughed out loud

 

[SVT Cobra GT]

So the three major US manufacturers are making VGTs.

When Chevrolet unveiled the 2X we thought "nothing will top that for craziness and speed".
Then here come Dodge with the Tomahawks with absolutely insane power figures and top speeds. Surely nothing will upstage that!

Now, will what will Ford do?

 

[ZedMan1996]

So is SRT just trying to be different or is there science behind the fact that the brake calipers are mounted on the bottom....?

They do that to make the weight of the car have a low centre of gravity as much as possible.

Also, guys, to those millions out there thinking the G-Suit is a gimick, or a cool fantasy, I think you're all forgetting something here...

G-Suits are a real thing, they have been using them for fighter pilots since the 50's, its been saving their lives and enhancing their manouvers ever since.

The reason behind this is that when you are under G-Force, especially those pushing down and to the side of your body, your blood gets forced away from your head, and gets rushed to the legs due to the high G-Forces, blood loss to the brain may cause a blackout (complete loss of conciousness), brain damage, hemmerage, and even death, and all of this would happen without a G-Suit.

The G-Suit exists to counteract these deadly problems, and does it by squeezing the pilots body, forcing the flood away from the legs & body, and keeping it up where the blood needs to stay most, the brain.

With this G-Suit and its capabilities, pilots are able to pull off high-G manouvers which pilots without a G-Suit would quite literally die doing.

So yeah, this kind of G-Force this car does is not unheard of, fighter pilots live with those G-Force numbers thanks to the G-Suit.

 

[LightningLord]

I wonder if it'll be like the 2X where it's near impossible to drive it with a DS3 controller, haha. I hope not. Also, I wonder what will be the track for the seasonal event. (I bet it's something that's not for the car and the event will be a pain. *cough* 2X event on High Speed Ring with DS3 *cough*)

 

[JR98]

So the three major US manufacturers are making VGTs.

When Chevrolet unveiled the 2X we thought "nothing will top that for craziness and speed".
Then here come Dodge with the Tomahawks with absolutely insane power figures and top speeds. Surely nothing will upstage that!

Now, will what will Ford do?

The Ford SVT Cobra Ultimate R Vision Gran Turismo

10 litre Twin supercharged V8 with Ecoboost and 10,000HP! Top speed of 1,000MPH! Laps Laguna Seca in 25 seconds!