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Devedander
I am well aware there is a higher road to be taken, however I am more like the dog who can't help but bark you poke me with a stick... I think that's pretty common knowledge around here :)
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Hey guys you should take this discution in a private thread or in PM ,is not related anymore with the thread and to be honest it seems like spamming to me :)
 
Can't you guys drop it. :lol: This is starting to get ridiculous. There's place where we call Private Message, as what the other guys said, and it's a nice place to bombard someone with argument. :D
 
Devedander
It would be nice if when I felt I was right I could just attack peoples posts, tell them to drop it and expect it to happen... I assume you guys aren't paid so maybe that is the reward?
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No, he is right. There's a difference.

You're on thin ice as it is. This kind of attitude...

I am well aware there is a higher road to be taken, however I am more like the dog who can't help but bark if you poke me with a stick...
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...is not acceptable here. As Scaff said, you either drop it, or face an infraction, or worse.

Now you have 2 moderators telling (i.e demanding) you drop it.

Keep poking and see how far it gets you.



;)
 
Delphic Reason
No, he is right. There's a difference.

You're on thin ice as it is. This kind of attitude...



...is not acceptable here. As Scaff said, you either drop it, or face an infraction, or worse.

Now you have 2 moderators telling (i.e demanding) you drop it.

Keep poking and see how far it gets you.



;)
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Hey guys you should take this discution in a private thread or in PM ,is not related anymore with the thread and to be honest it seems like spamming to me please :)
 
BLACK86
Why dont you just keep out of it mate, your words are making the situation worse
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Devedander
I am well aware there is a higher road to be taken, however I am more like the dog who can't help but bark if you poke me with a stick... I think that's pretty common knowledge around here :)
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Black86, sorry I missread your post and my response is thus rather inappropriate for the situation. Apologies.
 
So this argument hasn't come to a close yet. I'm still on the side of the fence with Akira. I'm led to believe that all the cars, even standard, will have some type of dashboard camera. Maybe not views plural, but I do think even if generic, we'll get some type of dashboard/steering wheel. I'm not 100% sure but the site didn't say, no dashboard/cockpit camera view. It said interior, and interior was directly from Japanese. And by that I think Kaz meant what he said previously about 'interiors'.
 
freshseth83
So this argument hasn't come to a close yet. I'm still on the side of the fence with Akira. I'm led to believe that all the cars, even standard, will have some type of dashboard camera. Maybe not views plural, but I do think even if generic, we'll get some type of dashboard/steering wheel. I'm not 100% sure but the site didn't say, no dashboard/cockpit camera view. It said interior, and interior was directly from Japanese. And by that I think Kaz meant what he said previously about 'interiors'.
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I with you on this one but instead of keep the arguing lets wait for gamescom or Tokyo Game Show,either of those will give us the answer but I really believe that:

"Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views"
"スタンダードカー”はインテリア視点に対応していません"

are the descriptions for the lack of several points of view,not the lack of cockpits,but as I said lets wait and hope that we are right,its the best for all.
 
Vehicle interior is so ambiguous. It can mean no view of the seats. It can mean no back seat view. It can mean so many things inside the vehicle's interior.

Logic says PD wouldn't give us 800+ cars without a cockpit. But I got to admit, it's a lot easier to say "No cockpits" in English than "No interior vehicle camera views". Cut to the chase and leave out the silly wording. Or simply say *Standard cars support no interior views including cockpit/dashboard views.*

One thing is for certain: Standard cars won't have an interior as luxurious as premiums and headtracking will likely be useless for them since most of the inside will be not modeled.
 
The idea of a 'two-tier' type of game baffles my mind. And the people that support this idea I think have another thing coming. There's no way that Kaz would make GT5 this way. Sure Premium cars are super detailed, but the fact that Standard cars can be damaged and feature damage (except dislodging body parts) tells me that the cars are redone, and if they are why not include a point of view that we know 200 cars at least have? When switching through chase cam, bumper cam, hood cam, 'helmet cam' are they going to just not include 'helmet cam' in 800+ cars? I don't think they'd do that. Anyone just picking up GT5 goes through all the views and says, 'hey, why does this car not have 'helmet cam'?' I don't think it'd be professional and I don't see why Kaz would think that either. I'm not even that concerned because I driver bumper or hood cam.
 
I think most people will agree that saying *Standard cars do not support cockpit/dashboard views is less ambiguous than *Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.

For one:

If a standard car has NO cockpit, then there is no reason to even model any part of the interior, so why bother mentioning it? Why would someone simply want to check out the backseat during the middle of a race if he/she could not even see the cockpit? Why would somebody want to see what the passenger's seat looks like while driving if they can't even see the wheel? There is no point. Therefore, don't mention "interior views" as they don't have any significance.

For two: If standard cars have a decent cockpit, it makes sense that they also wouldn't have interior camera views (as the site says) since PD did not put the time in due to the amount of time it takes.

Comments?
 
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freshseth83
So this argument hasn't come to a close yet. I'm still on the side of the fence with Akira. I'm led to believe that all the cars, even standard, will have some type of dashboard camera. Maybe not views plural, but I do think even if generic, we'll get some type of dashboard/steering wheel. I'm not 100% sure but the site didn't say, no dashboard/cockpit camera view. It said interior, and interior was directly from Japanese. And by that I think Kaz meant what he said previously about 'interiors'.
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I don't like the thought of a generic dashboard, which sounds like one modelled cockpit for all cars ( which would probably be quite easy to do but would look out of place for most cars and a black frame option might work on a small PSP-screen but would look hideous on a large HD screen ).

However I'm also not sure ( to be honest none of us is 100% sure ) either way but leaning towards the negative, as I've mentioned before, for now it's safer to take that GT5 US site text quite literally without further interpretation ( which admittingly it does lend itself to, despite others claiming it's a clear and definitive no ).

Having said this, I've just played Prologue and it struck me that the backseats ( if they had them ) and dashboard, etc. of all cars were all only visible ( and modelled perhaps ) from the middle section upwards so no gear lever, most part of the centre console or visible rear mounted seatbelts.
On the official GT5 site you see a picture of a Premium Challenger backseat fully modelled from bottom to top with visible seatbelts..........
 
The reason it was done was because of time, or lack of to be more precise.
The fact were at 5/6 years is the reason it's coming out. I don't think Sony wants to sit on this for another 1/2 years. IMHO.
 
SrRd RacinG
I think most people will agree that saying *Standard cars do not support cockpit/dashboard views is less ambiguous than *Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.

For one:

If a car has no cockpit, then there is no reason to even model any part of the interior, so why bother mentioning it? Why would someone simply want to check out the backseat during the middle of a race? Why would somebody want to see what the passenger's seat looks like while driving? There is no point. Therefore, don't mention "interior views" as they don't have any significance.

For two: If standard cars have a decent cockpit, it makes sense that they also wouldn't have interior camera views (as the site says) since PD did not put the time in due to the amount of time it takes.

Comments?
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Maybe one of the main reasons why they model the whole car is not for racing,but is for the photomode,I was also thinking why they made the back seats of the premium if you will not view those detail in race,if because they want you or give you the option to have interior photomode ,or that is what I think.
 
SrRd RacinG
I think most people will agree that saying *Standard cars do not cockpit/dashboard viewsambiguous is less ambiguous than *Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.

For one:

If a car has no cockpit, then there is no reason to even model any part of the interior, so why bother mentioning it? Why would someone simply want to check out the backseat during the middle of a race? Why would somebody want to see what the passenger's seat looks like while driving? There is no point. Therefore, don't mention "interior views" as they don't have any significance.

For two: If standard cars have a decent cockpit, it makes sense that they also wouldn't have interior camera views (as the site says) since PD did not put the time in due to the amount of time it takes.
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Thats my theory right there. Like i said when you read the standard and premium section both section say nothing about cockpit view, it is talking about how detail the cars are. This is just a big interpretation mistake, but i will wait till this is cleared up.
 
JDMKING13
Thats my theory right there. Like i said when you read the standard and premium section both section say nothing about cockpit view, it is talking about how detail the cars are. This is just a big interpretation mistake, but i will wait till this is cleared up.
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Friend, I think I am hopping back on board the cockpit ship.

But personally, I just wish they would say "Standard cars support no cockpit views"

Moving on. Yes, I understand that the cockpit is inside the car. It's not an exterior component of the car. But when you're talking about the interior, I happen to think more about the finer details, and not necessarily the wheel, windshield and gearbox. Those are basic things.

Premium cars, on the other hand, focus on the finer details as seen in the photos. They support the little things. And the cockpit is not a little thing. It's an essential thing, so hopefully they all get that view.
 
akiraacecombat
Maybe one of the main reasons why they model the whole car is not for racing,but is for the photomode,I was also thinking why they made the back seats of the premium if you will not view those detail in race,if because they want you or give you the option to have interior photomode ,or that is what I think.
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I think it was confirmed at E3 that Photo Mode also included taking shots from within the interior, might explain the word "camera views".
Again, only speculation but in those Premium pictures the interiors even have pedals as opposed to the interiors in Prologue which like I mentioned in my previous post appear to be only modelled from the middle section upwards.
 
It's straightforward. Standard cars don't support ANY interior views. There's no need to twist it any further than that. Why the hell would they say you can't use interior views when you could actually use one? That's a contradiction. There are no interior views at all.
 
analog
I think it was confirmed at E3 that Photo Mode also included taking shots from within the interior, might explain the word "camera views".
Again, only speculation but in those Premium pictures the interiors even have pedals as opposed to the interiors in Prologue which like I mentioned in my previous post appear to be only modelled from the middle section upwards.
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+67. I forgot about that. I was meaning to mention it.

But I am not sure about the second part you've written. I have a hard time believing standard cars will look like Prologue's cockpit. Those are rendered really well. But then again, how would the standard cockpits look like? Perhaps just a wheel and an apprropriate manufacturer emblem, a generic rear view mirror, generic gearbox and some side view mirrors (most likely generic?)
 
SrRd RacinG
Friend, I think I am hopping back on board thee cockpit ship.

Personally, I just wish they would say "Standard cars support no cockpit views"

Yes, I understand that the cockpit is inside the car. It's not an exterior component of the car. But when you're talking about the interior, I happen to think more about the finer details, and not necessarily the wheel, windshield and gearbox.
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👍 Not even that SrRd lets think about the premium cars that have different version that will be standard.

RX-7 Spirt R premium car

Mazda:RX-7 Type R Bathurst R (FD) Standard
Mazda:RX-7 Type RZ (FD) Standard

If they modeled the RX-7 Spirt R interior why not the the other two Mazda's they have the same interior excpecpt for the gauges and seats everything else looks the same? It doesn't make sense not to make those cockpit.
 
Conquerer
It's straightforward. Standard cars don't support ANY interior views. There's no need to twist it any further than that. Why the hell would they say you can't use interior views when you could actually use one? That's a contradiction. There are no interior views at all.
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Why would they mention *vehicle interior camera views, which is quite ambiguous considering GT5 will sport an in-depth photo mode, when they can simply say *cockpit camera views?

I am not defending the cockpit theory (totally), but if a car is said to have no cockpit, it can easily be inferred that the rest of the car will not be available to see. Why wasn't that just said? Why did they even choose "camera view"?

Lastly, doesn't 'camera view' refer to a 'camera's view' which may refer to Photo Mode?

In conclusion, hold your damn horses :)
 
SrRd RacinG
+67. I forgot about that. I was meaning to mention it.

But I am not sure about the second part you've written. I have a hard time believing standard cars will look like Prologue's cockpit. Those are rendered really well. But then again, how would the standard cockpits look like? Perhaps just a wheel and an apprropriate manufacturer emblem, a generic rear view mirror, generic gearbox and some side view mirrors (most likely generic?)
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Or Prologue included only Standard cars ( if modelling 200 Premium cars takes so much time, how come this little game which was introduced 3 years ago already included 70 or so? ).
Might be horribly wrong ofcourse and it isn't my intention to create false hope ( hell, I'm not even convinced myself by this scenario ).
 
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analog
Or Prologue included only Standard cars ( if modelling 200 cars Premium cars takes so much time, how come this little game which was introduced 3 years ago already included 70 or so? ).
Might be horribly wrong ofcourse and it isn't my intention to create false hope ( hell, I'm not even convinced myself by this scenario ).
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You know, I hated this thread for the past week, but this is becoming very interesting. To think standard cars will look like Prologue's cars is very intriguing. I am not supporting this theory totally yet, either, but the naysayers have just as much reason to state their case as the hopefuls.
 
SrRd RacinG
You know, I hated this thread for the past week, but this is becoming very interesting. To think standard cars will look like Prologue's cars is very intriguing. I am not supporting this theory totally yet, either, but the naysayers have just as much reason to state their case as the hopefuls.
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Add to that the fact Kaz mentioned those Premium cars were really pushing the limits of the PS3.
Prologue still looks stunning but pushing the limits of PS3?

So those Premium cars have details ( seatbelts, pedals, etc. ) not seen in Prologue which proves to me that either Premium is the next step and Prologue is just a stepping stone which has to be forgotten and all Standard cars are just upgraded cars from previous games without interiors.
Or Standard is the "standard" set by Prologue which cars can be imported into GT5.
Given that Premium is even more detailed that Prologue you would then have 3 categories Premium, Standard and Sub-Standard ( without any sort of interior ).
And it only includes 2 categories ( unless those Prologue cars imported into GT5 become Premium by which I mean more details of the interior becoming visible ).

Or I'm just talking jibberish again as always.......:dopey:
 
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