"Standard Car" does not correspond to the interior view.Update read 1st page

[Slurm]

Prologue only launched with about 35 cars just 2.5 years ago. If you look at the way they're created, I think it's safe to assume that they are a first generation of "premium" models. They have engine bays, functional dashboards and steering wheels, 3D headlights etc..

I'd expect the quality to be around the same, slightly improved, with the main difference that they've now modelled beyond what's visible in cockpit view. I guess this is to accommodate features like photomode.

DAMN YOU PHOTOMODE!!

 

[Devedander]

Prologue only launched with about 35 cars just 2.5 years ago. If you look at the way they're created, I think it's safe to assume that they are a first generation of "premium" models. They have engine bays, functional dashboards and steering wheels, 3D headlights etc..

I'd expect the quality to be around the same, slightly improved, with the main difference that they've now modelled beyond what's visible in cockpit view. I guess this is to accommodate features like photomode.

DAMN YOU PHOTOMODE!!

Are you saying this about the standard cars?

 

[jjsahagun]

Do we know if all cars in GT5P will be premiums in GT5?
I ask because it is my understanding that GT5P cars all have dash view.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

If anyone is going to argue for cockpit views, this is how:

1. The GT site says: *Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views*. What does that mean? It could mean that the game does not support the ability for the camera's view to see the interior. Therefore, these camera views are not supported because the interior was not modeled. Note: this does not mean there is no cockpit. That is reserved for racing in game. But as far as Photo Mode is concerned, standard cars won't support such views because such views simply do not exist.

2. The cars are blacked out on the GT site. Why? Photo Mode. They are blackened out so that you cannot see the interior, because frankly, there isn't one. Therefore, the phrase: *Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views* is simply stating: *Standard cars are blackened out because the camera's view cannot take a photo of what the camera cannot see.* How can one expect to take a photo of a standard car's interior when it is blackened out? You cannot, and that was planned by PD because it takes far too long to model. Note: You may not be able to see the cockpit from the outside, but that is reserved for racing in game.


In conclusion, the ambiguous use of the words "vehicle interior camera views" has opened a wonderful debate for the hopefuls. These few words could be referring to the new and improved Photo Mode, and that gives much life to this argument.


In conclusion part II, if anyone from PD, Sony, or the person who made the infamous adjustment to the U.S. Gran Turismo website is viewing this post in this particular thread, your ambiguity has brought new life to a once dead debate. If you wish to clear this up, use other words. Most fans only care for the cockpit during racing, so if there are no cockpits, be fair to us and simply say it.

Yours truly and forever, SrRd RacinG

 

[JDMKING13]

If anyone is going to argue for cockpit views, this is how:

1. The GT site says: *Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views*. What does that mean? It could mean that the game does not support the ability for the camera's view to see the interior. Therefore, these camera views are not supported because the interior was not modeled. Note: this does not mean there is no cockpit. That is reserved for racing in game. But as far as Photo Mode is concerned, standard cars won't support such views because such views simply do not exist.

2. The cars are blacked out on the GT site. Why? Photo Mode. They are blackened out so that you cannot see the interior, because frankly, there isn't one. Therefore, the phrase: *Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views* is simply stating: *Standard cars are blackened out because the camera's view cannot take a photo of what the camera cannot see.* How can one expect to take a photo of a standard car's interior when it is blackened out? You cannot, and that was planned by PD because it takes far too long to model. Note: You may not be able to see the cockpit from the outside, but that is reserved for racing in game.


In conclusion, the ambiguous use of the words "vehicle interior camera views" has opened a wonderful debate for the hopefuls. These few words could be referring to the new and improved Photo Mode, and that gives much life to this argument.


In conclusion part II, if anyone from PD, Sony, or the person who made the infamous adjustment to the U.S. Gran Turismo website, your ambiguity has brought new life to a once dead debate. If you wish to clear this up, use other words. Most fans only care for the cockpit during racing, so if there are no cockpits, be fair to us and simply say it.

Yours truly and forever, SrRd RacinG

I love it 👍 I remember in the PlayStation mag they clearly said 1000 cars with cockpits hopefully it still stands. I believe that we will get cockpit view for those standard cars 👍

 

[Dravonic]

If anyone is going to argue for cockpit views, this is how:

1. The GT site says: *Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views*. What does that mean? It could mean that the game does not support the ability for the camera's view to see the interior. Therefore, these camera views are not supported because the interior was not modeled. Note: this does not mean there is no cockpit. That is reserved for racing in game. But as far as Photo Mode is concerned, standard cars won't support such views because such views simply do not exist.

2. The cars are blacked out on the GT site. Why? Photo Mode. They are blackened out so that you cannot see the interior, because frankly, there isn't one. Therefore, the phrase: *Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views* is simply stating: *Standard cars are blackened out because the camera's view cannot take a photo of what the camera cannot see.* How can one expect to take a photo of a standard car's interior when it is blackened out? You cannot, and that was planned by PD because it takes far too long to model. Note: You may not be able to see the cockpit from the outside, but that is reserved for racing in game.


In conclusion, the ambiguous use of the words "vehicle interior camera views" has opened a wonderful debate for the hopefuls. These few words could be referring to the new and improved Photo Mode, and that gives much life to this argument.

In conclusion part II, if anyone from PD, Sony, or the person who made the infamous adjustment to the U.S. Gran Turismo website, your ambiguity has brought new life to a once dead debate. If you wish to clear this up, use other words. Most fans only care for the cockpit during racing, so if there are no cockpits, be fair to us and simply say it.

Yours truly and forever, SrRd RacinG

I get that their choice of words is poor but you're trying desperately to find a way to spin it into something else. Right now the safest thing to do is take it for what it is: No cockpits. Latter we may be surprised with wonderful news but right now there's no reason to pretend it means something else.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

Hey, I'm sitting pretty on the middle of the fence.

I don't really support either side, YET I am capable of defending the two. But I only am defending the hopefuls in my latest posts because no users have been able to express themselves properly and make a clear argument. And I think I have made a good argument.

I am ready for there to be no cockpits. But I am also ready for there to be cockpits.

So I am prepared for the worst and the best!

 

[SuperCobraJet]

SrRd RacinG is starting his own "Cockpit Crusade".

I truly hope he is right. As to the info available, it still appears to be a pretty long shot.

Hey, I'm sitting pretty on the middle of the fence.

You might check to make sure there's a soft spot down there somewhere.

 

[Conquerer]

Why would they mention *vehicle interior camera views, which is quite ambiguous considering GT5 will sport an in-depth photo mode, when they can simply say *cockpit camera views?

I am not defending the cockpit theory (totally), but if a car is said to have no cockpit, it can easily be inferred that the rest of the car will not be available to see. Why wasn't that just said? Why did they even choose "camera view"?

Lastly, doesn't 'camera view' refer to a 'camera's view' which may refer to Photo Mode?

In conclusion, hold your damn horses

You act like cockpit is a completely different thing and a word used everywhere for this sort of thing. "Cockpit" is not a material thing here. It doesn't exist in a car. The dashboard and steering wheel do, and they are part of the interior. I can't recall PD ever using "cockpit" for anything so why would they start now just because people here refer to it as that and are grasping straws to hold onto their desperate hopes? I don't know about you people, but I always just called it "interior view" or "in-car view." Because that's what it is. It's a view from the interior of the car.

If this was a game about planes then yeah, I'd expect them to say cockpit view. But it isn't. It's a car game and cars have "interiors." When you get in your car in real life do you think you're getting into a "cockpit?" You're hoping for them to say a word that does not normally correspond with cars, especially passenger cars. Plus we've already been told there are no interior views for standard cars.

If these cars have no interior views, then there is no "cockpit" at all. I'm sorry but there's just nothing left to hold on to anymore with realistic expectations and hopes. And in the best case scenario where by some miracle we still do get interior views in the full game, you won't be let down. If you still think there will be interior views then there's definitely a high possibility you will be very disappointed.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

SrRd RacinG is starting his own "Cockpit Crusade".

I truly hope he is right. As to the info available, it still appears to be a pretty long shot.

Haha. Yes. I and JDKING are the captains.

But in all seriousness, I can absolutely defend the naysayers and rip my own previous argument to shreds (but it's a good argument nonetheless). I can easily turn sides and defend the other. And this is all thanks to ambiguity. It has given such life to this debate.

 

[JDMKING13]

I get that their choice of words is poor but you're trying desperately to find a way to spin it into something else. Right now the safest thing to do is take it for what it is: No cockpits. Latter we may be surprised with wonderful news but right now there's no reason to pretend it means something else.

Trying desperately to spin it into something else?... Safest thing to do is take it for what it is... Honestly If you want to take what PD says and say it means no cockpit that is cool, but don't take away other people way of seeing because you in your opinion you see it a certain way. Nobody is desperate, they never said no cockpit or interior dash. they said camera view that can mean many things of what we saw from GT5. I was just reading the the PlayStation The Official Magazine and it clearly says all 1000 cars will have cockpits. So in the end only time will tell 👍

PS SrRd we will be smothered in glory when this cockpit issue solved and hopefully we are right

 

[chepe371]

I shall join this Hopery.I'm for cockpitization of automobilery.

 

[Tenacious D]

I am ready for there to be no cockpits. But I am also ready for there to be cockpits.

This is roughly my position too. While I lean more towards no cockpit view, or no visible interiors - the black frame, I won't be surprised if we get them after all.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Haha. Yes. I and JDKING are the captains.

But in all seriousness, I can absolutely defend the naysayers and rip my own previous argument to shreds (but it's a good argument nonetheless). I can easily turn sides and defend the other. And this is all thanks to ambiguity. It has given such life to this debate.

Thats true, until we get a confirmation one way or the other.
Then you may be labeled a stir-up trouble maker on both sides.

 

[jBat17]

There will be cockpit view on all cars, for sure.

But Sony and PD are still at fault here. At the very least, they should clear state in their website that there will be cockpit view for all cars. More ideally, PD should have a community manager who clarifies stuff in the official forum. If ND and Zipper have community managers, why can't PD have one?

 

[SrRd RacinG]

I love it. I love the drama. I love the debate. i love the naysayers and I love the hopefuls.

Semantics are a beautiful thing.

Cockpits for all!

No cockpits for many!

The argument rages on and I can defend the two very well! Give me more ambiguity, PD!

 

[Akira AC]

"Everyone wants to know where the philosopher legacy is"

Big Boss AKA "Naked Snake"

BTW something that can enforce my posture is this:


our friend mimimax show us here that the level of detail on premium is insane,but I don't see any problem on making the dashboard and steering wheel for 800 pre design cars, tweak the exterior and make a basic cockpit,that doesn't sound unreal,and sounds reasonable.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

our friend mimimax show us here that the level of detail on premium is insane,but I don't see any problem on making the dashboard and steering wheel for 800 pre design cars, tweak the exterior and make a basic cockpit,that doesn't sound unreal,and sounds reasonable.

I might have to add that as number 3 to the hopeful debate.

 

[McLaren]

Trying desperately to spin it into something else?... Safest thing to do is take it for what it is... Honestly If you want to take what PD says and say it means no cockpit that is cool, but don't take away other people way of seeing because you in your opinion you see it a certain way.

There is no other way to see it than to blindly ignore it & think it means something else.

Nobody is desperate, they never said no cockpit or interior dash. they said camera view that can mean many things of what we saw from GT5.

But, they did.

"Standard cars do not support interior views". No matter if it is a replay, photomode, or in-game, if it is an interior view, it is not supported as said by the official website. So, whether or not you try to play the "cockpit view is different" game, the view you all are hoping for, still rests in the interior of a car, an area that will not be supported by any views.

I was just reading the the PlayStation The Official Magazine and it clearly says all 1000 cars will have cockpits. So in the end only time will tell 👍

PS SrRd we will be smothered in glory when this cockpit issue solved and hopefully we are right

Yes, and how old was that again?

 

[hot-wok]

Oh I am so sick if you guys bending and translating words in to what you want to hear.

Go to google, search for car interior. What do you see? Any engine bays, or other internal parts like the wheel housings?
NO! Lots and lots of what you call "cockpits"...

Interior view is what you call "Cockpit", have always been regarding automotives. N-o-t-h-i-n-g e-l-s-e. We won't get interiors/cockpits for the standard cars, never, ever.
Get your hopes down.

 

[G.T.Ace]

PlayStation The Official Magazine and it clearly says all 1000 cars will have cockpits. So in the end only time will tell 👍

Yeah, can't wait for IndyCars.


Oh, wait.

 

[JDMKING13]

Yeah, can't wait for IndyCars.


Oh, wait.

👎 2 bad they came back and cleared that up big guy everything else in that article has happen or we heard about it. Knowing how yall are thats prob not official enough for you though.

Edit I just read the thread about IRL not being in gt5, and how you reacted to the information... one mistake and they lost credibility

Like i said before this IMO is what they were talking about when they say standard cars will have not interior camera view you can see from the replay the driver can select different views to view the interior while the driver drives.

 

[Conquerer]

Yet Kaz specifically refers to "cockpit view" as interior view.

Regarding interior view…do you mean you would want a black frame interior view?

By blackframe, I meant same as in PSP (re: cockpit view)

Please note the "re: cockpit view." He is responding to a question about cockpit view and answers speaking of "interior view," which is what he calls it and what it says on the site. There are no cockpit views in standard cars. End of discussion.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

Yet Kaz specifically refers to "cockpit view" as interior view.



End of discussion.

Almost.

He also typed: In that case, it would be technically possible.


But yea, I was reading his Twitter comments and he used "cam" as a view/perspective: The VTEC sound had been reproduced ever since GT1, it switches at proper range according to cam profile.

This is a bad sign.

But again, at least he said it's technically possible. Not sure why it took a Twitter follower to get KY to think of this...or maybe he has.

Anyone got a pic of the GT PSP interior view?

 

[Conquerer]

But yea, I was reading his Twitter comments and he used "cam" as a view/perspective: The VTEC sound had been reproduced ever since GT1, it switches at proper range according to cam profile.

That has nothing to do with camera views. "cam profile" is referring to the camshaft profile.

 

[gtone339]

While watching the replay in GT5 Prologue you can't see the AI's cockpit view either.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

That has nothing to do with camera views. "cam profile" is referring to the camshaft profile.

I'm not disappointed at all (I misread his quote). But after re-reading his comments, I think it's very apparent that they are cockpitless (haha).

But I hope PD at least tries to make an adjustment. Something generic to make the experience a tad more lively. Sure you agree on that.

 

[Conquerer]

While watching the replay in GT5 Prologue you can't see the AI's cockpit view either.

Yeah, and you can't in GT PSP either.

 

[chepe371]

Anyone got a pic of the GT PSP interior view?

 

[SrRd RacinG]

OH SEXY!

But hey, it's better than nothing. Thank God KY said it was 'technically possible"

We'll see!