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[Organ-Donor]

I'd hope it would be possible considering the PS3 power compared to the PSP. I really think we should get some sort of view considering the reaction of people and taking into account the game is still a work in progress. It shouldn't be that hard to add some sort of generic or 'black frame' view. I would hope it would be alittle more refined than just a 'black frame' considering its a powerful system that can also produce 3D. We will see soon enough.

 

[Conquerer]

I'm really hoping PD has taken notice to the uproar and at least makes some generic interiors for different types of cars. A different interior for cars from 2000s, 90s, 80s, 70s, etc., as well as one or two (or more) different interiors for racing cars. A 2000s interior would obviously look more modern, and something from the 70s would look more classic with more boxish shapes. It would be nice to have the logo of the company on the steering wheel of each car that has these generic interiors, to at least distinguish them a bit. As long as they do something like this and then just slightly modify the interiors to fit each car that will be fine for me.

 

[GTXLR]

I'm really hoping PD has taken notice to the uproar and at least makes some generic interiors for different types of cars. A different interior for cars from 2000s, 90s, 80s, 70s, etc., as well as one or two (or more) different interiors for racing cars. A 2000s interior would obviously look more modern, and something from the 70s would look more classic with more boxish shapes. It would be nice to have the logo of the company on the steering wheel of each car that has these generic interiors, to at least distinguish them a bit. As long as they do something like this and then just slightly modify the interiors to fit each car that will be fine for me.

I would imagine Licensing issues would prevent PD from taking this approach.
After all GT is as much a marketing tool for the manufacturers as it is a Game for PD.
Cant quite see some manufacturers being happy at having there models modeled correctly on the outside yet feature some generic (and shared) dashboard on the inside which has no reflection of the real cars.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

👎 2 bad they came back and cleared that up big guy everything else in that article has happen or we heard about it. Knowing how yall are thats prob not official enough for you though.

Edit I just read the thread about IRL not being in gt5, and how you reacted to the information... one mistake and they lost credibility

Like i said before this IMO is what they were talking about when they say standard cars will have not interior camera view you can see from the replay the driver can select different views to view the interior while the driver drives.

This is the kinda thing that really gets to me.

800 cars without cockpit view, and 200 with "look ma no hands views"

Why didn't they just put a vanity mirror over the visor of all the cars, so you could admire yourself with, if you want to.

Talk about a superficial feature at its best. Good Grief!

 

[analog]

I'm really hoping PD has taken notice to the uproar and at least makes some generic interiors for different types of cars. A different interior for cars from 2000s, 90s, 80s, 70s, etc., as well as one or two (or more) different interiors for racing cars. A 2000s interior would obviously look more modern, and something from the 70s would look more classic with more boxish shapes. It would be nice to have the logo of the company on the steering wheel of each car that has these generic interiors, to at least distinguish them a bit. As long as they do something like this and then just slightly modify the interiors to fit each car that will be fine for me.

I would imagine Licensing issues would prevent PD from taking this approach.
After all GT is as much a marketing tool for the manufacturers as it is a Game for PD.
Cant quite see some manufacturers being happy at having there models modeled correctly on the outside yet feature some generic (and shared) dashboard on the inside which has no reflection of the real cars.

Agree with GTXLR and besides that would be an awful compromise, might as well offer 2D dashboard stickers you can stick on your TV.
The point of interior view, at least for me, aside being my prefered viewpoint regarding position is the fact the car is recognizable from within.
For me a generic dashboard would be the same as a generic exterior and I can't believe some would actually settle for that.
As much as I love interior view I would rather have nothing than a generic dash.

 

[Luminis]

Like i said before this IMO is what they were talking about when they say standard cars will have not interior camera view you can see from the replay the driver can select different views to view the interior while the driver drives.

Let's think about it for a second.

'Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.' is much like saying 'Blue boxes do not contain cookies.' The only number of cookies that could be contained in such a box is zero, otherwise, the statement isn't true. If there was a number specified and the GT site said something like '*Standard cars do not support multiple vehicle interior camera views.', than your assumption would be based on something more than wishful thinking. Alas, it doesn't. It says that standard cars will not support interior camera views, read, no camera views from the inside of the car. The statement is pretty clear; the standard cars do not support any camera view from the inside of a car. You can try to spin it as much as you want, the only way that standard cars will have cockpits is that this statement is wrong, because it was either mistranslated or a straight lie. The latter doesn't make any sense at all for PD to do. And, well, assuming that it's a mistranslation is a really faint hope.

Remember when Kaz said that there will be no interior views in an interview and everyone was like 'No, the translator made a mistake!'? Was there a reason to assume he did make a mistake?
Was there anything that indicated cockpit view to be available on standard cars, ever? Aside from 'Kaz is a perfectionist, he wouldn't include cars with no cockpit view!'. Has there ever been a screenshot of standard cars interior? Has there recently been an actual statement that the standard cars will, in fact, have a cockpit view? Something that's a little more reliable than a 'maybe'?

The only 'indicator' for standard cars to have an interior view, right now, is wishful thinking, isn't it?

You know, it just seems that logic does have no place in this thread... Which is kinda irking me.

 

[Neal]

I've had a brainwave which will solve the cockpit issue and actually improve on any so called life like virtual attempts. Go onto the manufacturer websites for all 800 "standard" cars and find an image of each interior then get them printed on card at your local print shop to match the size of you TV and cut out the windscreen. All you need to do to have your very own “real life” cockpit view is select bumper cam then place the cardboard cockpit photo in front of your TV, voila instant in car view. I’m sure you’d be able to get a discount from the print shop for the bulk order which could be as little as a fiver per car, a worthwhile investment I think you’ll agree.

Here are a couple of examples to get us started, obviously I’ve chosen hybrids as they’re the future.

Honda Civic Hybrid

Chevrolet Malibu Hybrid

EDIT: I’ve had another brainwave 💡 Why settle for any old car dashboard when you could be virtually sitting in the real life cockpit of some of the greatest machines ever built? I’ve found a few interesting examples below but the possibilities are endless!

/joke

 

[analog]

Let's think about it for a second.

'Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.' is much like saying 'Blue boxes do not contain cookies.' The only number of cookies that could be contained in such a box is zero, otherwise, the statement isn't true. If there was a number specified and the GT site said something like '*Standard cars do not support multiple vehicle interior camera views.', than your assumption would be based on something more than wishful thinking. Alas, it doesn't. It says that standard cars will not support interior camera views, read, no camera views from the inside of the car. The statement is pretty clear; the standard cars do not support any camera view from the inside of a car. You can try to spin it as much as you want, the only way that standard cars will have cockpits is that this statement is wrong, because it was either mistranslated or a straight lie. The latter doesn't make any sense at all for PD to do. And, well, assuming that it's a mistranslation is a really faint hope.

Remember when Kaz said that there will be no interior views in an interview and everyone was like 'No, the translator made a mistake!'? Was there a reason to assume he did make a mistake?
Was there anything that indicated cockpit view to be available on standard cars, ever? Aside from 'Kaz is a perfectionist, he wouldn't include cars with no cockpit view!'. Has there ever been a screenshot of standard cars interior? Has there recently been an actual statement that the standard cars will, in fact, have a cockpit view? Something that's a little more reliable than a 'maybe'?

The only 'indicator' for standard cars to have an interior view, right now, is wishful thinking, isn't it?

You know, it just seems that logic does have no place in this thread... Which is kinda irking me.

Unfortunately I think you are correct and I already "accepted" the "fact" they won't be in although I dispute your statement all other arguments are devout of logic.
It might partly be wishful thinking but at least the comments I posted aren't blinded by blissful ignorance but just asked questions based on logic observations ( like Premium being more detailed than Prologue, does that mean those details simply aren't yet visible in Prologue? ).
But I fully agree with you that it's best to just take that message literal ( which I also mentioned before ) and there aren't any clear indicators to show otherwise.

Oh and EvilNeal, why don't launch a new line of cockpit-glasses with multiple dashboard-printed lenses which you can change as an alternative for 3D-glasses.

 

[Antti-san]

Agree with GTXLR and besides that would be an awful compromise, might as well offer 2D dashboard stickers you can stick on your TV.
The point of interior view, at least for me, aside being my prefered viewpoint regarding position is the fact the car is recognizable from within.
For me a generic dashboard would be the same as a generic exterior and I can't believe some would actually settle for that.

I agree, it's an awful idea (no offense to anyone)! 👎

 

[Paolosev91]

blackframe option would be better than no cockpit,
but, the best compromise is this. GENERIC COCKPITS for standard cars!
Racing cockpits for race cars, old style cockpits for old style cars, analog/digital meters and dashboard if the car is old/new and so on!
It would take them 1 day to finish every car's cockpit!

 

[Neal]

Oh and EvilNeal, why don't launch a new line of cockpit-glasses with multiple dashboard-printed lenses which you can change as an alternative for 3D-glasses.

I hadn't spotted your idea just a few posts up about TV stickers, great minds think a like! I'm glad you got the joke



EDIT: Blackframe cockpits for GT5 on a big HD TV or generic dashboards? Definitely not, it has to be done right or not at all.

 

[analog]

I hadn't spotted your idea just a few posts up about TV stickers, great minds think a like! I'm glad you got the joke

EDIT: Blackframe cockpits for GT5 on a big HD TV or generic dashboards? Definitely not, it has to be done right or not at all.

Can't really blame you for stealing my idea and saying you didn't notice it whilst claiming you have a somewhat similar intellect, with you being a Scouser and all, but hey I'll forgive you....

I'll agree with your statement of either real dashboards ( meaning the same as the actual car has IRL ) or nothing at all.
I mean, what if they did they made generic exteriors, one type of classic muscle car available with either Ford, Dodge or Chevy badges ( this forum and all other forums would explode...).

 

[Neal]

although I did post the first half of it in the infield on 24th June but you'll have to take my word for it
www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=117022&page=44#post3910778

 

[analog]

although I did post the first half of it in the infield on 24th June but you'll have to take my word for it
www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=117022&page=44#post3910778

Kidding ofcourse, you know that.

 

[McLaren]

Let's think about it for a second.

'Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.' is much like saying 'Blue boxes do not contain cookies.' The only number of cookies that could be contained in such a box is zero, otherwise, the statement isn't true. If there was a number specified and the GT site said something like '*Standard cars do not support multiple vehicle interior camera views.', than your assumption would be based on something more than wishful thinking. Alas, it doesn't. It says that standard cars will not support interior camera views, read, no camera views from the inside of the car. The statement is pretty clear; the standard cars do not support any camera view from the inside of a car. You can try to spin it as much as you want, the only way that standard cars will have cockpits is that this statement is wrong, because it was either mistranslated or a straight lie. The latter doesn't make any sense at all for PD to do. And, well, assuming that it's a mistranslation is a really faint hope.

Remember when Kaz said that there will be no interior views in an interview and everyone was like 'No, the translator made a mistake!'? Was there a reason to assume he did make a mistake?
Was there anything that indicated cockpit view to be available on standard cars, ever? Aside from 'Kaz is a perfectionist, he wouldn't include cars with no cockpit view!'. Has there ever been a screenshot of standard cars interior? Has there recently been an actual statement that the standard cars will, in fact, have a cockpit view? Something that's a little more reliable than a 'maybe'?

The only 'indicator' for standard cars to have an interior view, right now, is wishful thinking, isn't it?

You know, it just seems that logic does have no place in this thread... Which is kinda irking me.

 

[Luminis]

God, that made me laugh pretty hard right now

 

[SuperCobraJet]

You know, it just seems that logic does have no place in this thread... Which is kinda irking me.

There's a good explanation for that.

All the reports we get are a clouded, open to interpretation, mish-mash of half baked information.

BTW those interpretations run the gamut from logical to hallucinogenic.

Naturally the hallucinogenic is more enchanting.

 

[Devedander]

Oh and EvilNeal, why don't launch a new line of cockpit-glasses with multiple dashboard-printed lenses which you can change as an alternative for 3D-glasses.

GENIOUS!!! They should hire the makers of this to perfect it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vectrex.jpg

 

[Luminis]

All the reports we get are a clouded, open to interpretation, mish-mash of half baked information.

If we're sticking to information given out by PD and PD only, then there haven't been any positive reports about standard car's cockpit view. at least not to my knowledge. The only thing they ever said about that whole issue, is that there are not going to be interior camera views for standard cars. That's not that misleading unless you're trying real hard tto be mislead by it.

BTW those interpretations run the gamut from logical to hallucinogenic.

Naturally the hallucinogenic is more enchanting.

QFT 👍

 

[Neal]

Kidding of course, you know that.

Of course, besides it will be a sad when Scousers don't get a bit of light ribbing for their province

 

[analog]

Of course, besides it will be a sad when Scousers don't get a bit of light ribbing for their province

It can't be that bad, although I did hear someone saying once the Liverpool airport is named after John Lennon because that was the first place he went after he earned some cash.....

And airports have planes which have cockpits 💡 ( slightly ad hoc bridge to return on-topic, although it has to be said the more I type cockpit the more I'm amused this word ever caught on.....)

 

[gtracedriver]

Let's think about it for a second.

'Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.' is much like saying 'Blue boxes do not contain cookies.' The only number of cookies that could be contained in such a box is zero, otherwise, the statement isn't true. If there was a number specified and the GT site said something like '*Standard cars do not support multiple vehicle interior camera views.', than your assumption would be based on something more than wishful thinking. Alas, it doesn't. It says that standard cars will not support interior camera views, read, no camera views from the inside of the car. The statement is pretty clear; the standard cars do not support any camera view from the inside of a car. You can try to spin it as much as you want, the only way that standard cars will have cockpits is that this statement is wrong, because it was either mistranslated or a straight lie. The latter doesn't make any sense at all for PD to do. And, well, assuming that it's a mistranslation is a really faint hope.

Remember when Kaz said that there will be no interior views in an interview and everyone was like 'No, the translator made a mistake!'? Was there a reason to assume he did make a mistake?
Was there anything that indicated cockpit view to be available on standard cars, ever? Aside from 'Kaz is a perfectionist, he wouldn't include cars with no cockpit view!'. Has there ever been a screenshot of standard cars interior? Has there recently been an actual statement that the standard cars will, in fact, have a cockpit view? Something that's a little more reliable than a 'maybe'?

The only 'indicator' for standard cars to have an interior view, right now, is wishful thinking, isn't it?

You know, it just seems that logic does have no place in this thread... Which is kinda irking me.

Everyone have their own interpretation of the statement released by Sony at the GT5 site. Surely everyone knows there is some confusion. But saying no cockpit view in racing game is the simplest and most straight forward answer instead of "vehicle interior camera views" especially when you have so much in premium cars interiors.

In a way it is good because, I think they will have some sort of cockpit view but it is nothing to brag about. Instead they can keep showing of premium cars and keep a low profile for standard cars.

 

[KilzoneStrife]

At the end of the day...the amount of cars,namely the '1000' number should never have been sent out to us.why?well.GT2 had maybe 750 cars.was massive.with the concepts of GT2000/GT3 build up,they had converted 50% of the models from GT2 and built from the ground up 50%.now GT3 had 150 cars.the difference is,from what I remember.that 150 number went public a month or two before GT3 released.its sad..they let that thousand number get to us..expecting that to mean every car had an interior,we assumed as much because of the cancelld Japanese release date,maybe they werent ready yet.what can we honestly do about it? pretty much nothing.Kaz is a perfectionist,but there is just NO WAY to justify the 'standard' car interior thing if they worked on other useless forgetable aspects.the gps tracking thing,they worked with Toyota? They probably got paid for it.ALOT of money.same with the Skyline computer display.They got paid to make that.that mustve taken ALOT of R and D time.honestly,I think PD did an excellent job in the time they took up.I believe they built a new game engine after prologue to incorparate damage,weather,day/night transition and have been working on those since after prologue released.mainly cuz they knew we wanted it.considering the fact the game engine is new,it looks a whole lot better than prologue,the physics engine was overhauled,they worked on GTPSP,that gps tracking thing,the Skyline computer and GT5..I cant see why Kaz said their lucky to have even finished that many.STILL I think its bs that their using 2010 to model new Nascar cars..I bet they aim to have all of them in by November.I think thats a waste............

 

[KilzoneStrife]

At the end of the day...the amount of cars,namely the '1000' number should never have been sent out to us.why?well.GT2 had maybe 750 cars.was massive.with the concepts of GT2000/GT3 build up,they had converted 50% of the models from GT2 and built from the ground up 50%.now GT3 had 150 cars.the difference is,from what I remember.that 150 number went public a month or two before GT3 released.its sad..they let that thousand number get to us..expecting that to mean every car had an interior,we assumed as much because of the cancelld Japanese release date,maybe they werent ready yet.what can we honestly do about it? pretty much nothing.Kaz is a perfectionist,but there is just NO WAY to justify the 'standard' car interior thing if they worked on other useless forgetable aspects.the gps tracking thing,they worked with Toyota? They probably got paid for it.ALOT of money.same with the Skyline computer display.They got paid to make that.that mustve taken ALOT of R and D time.honestly,I think PD did an excellent job in the time they took up.I believe they built a new game engine after prologue to incorparate damage,weather,day/night transition and have been working on those since after prologue released.mainly cuz they knew we wanted it.considering the fact the game engine is new,it looks a whole lot better than prologue,the physics engine was overhauled,they worked on GTPSP,that gps tracking thing,the Skyline computer and GT5..I cant see why Kaz said their lucky to have even finished that many.STILL I think its bs that their using 2010 to model new Nascar cars..I bet they aim to have all of them in by November.I think thats a waste............

 

[chepu]

There's a good explanation for that.

All the reports we get are a clouded, open to interpretation, mish-mash of half baked information.

BTW those interpretations run the gamut from logical to hallucinogenic.

Naturally the hallucinogenic is more enchanting.

The GT Site isnt a Clouded, Open to Interpretation report..



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So please Guys, Drop It, Standard Cars wont Have Cockpits.

 

[Luminis]

Everyone have their own interpretation of the statement released by Sony at the GT5 site.

I've noticed that as well. Question is, how could someone who's using the slightest bit of common sense come to such an interpretation, considering how the statement is phrased and considering that we haven't heard anything from PD that would contradict it?

You know, if you want to post something meaningful as to why standard cars will have cockpits, link a statement from PD that says so. If you can find one, that is. But stop the baseless assumptions.

 

[Spagetti69]

It's like faith, pointless to argue.

Difference with faith and GT5 you won't have to meet your maker to find out who's right.
On second thoughts, if there's a delay hhmmmm.

 

[Akira AC]

OK,OK lets say that standard cars do not have cockpits,is just a matter of waiting,besides the ones who believe that standard cockpits will not feature are the ones who whining about everything,not all some of you guys appeal to reason and that is valid but for other ones is just like "anti GT fans" in a fan-based web page,which is OK,some opposition have to be taken in count everywhere,but deny some theories or some postures make something call totalitarianism.

Deny opinions like:

1. No cockpit will be feature in standard cars
2. Cockpits will be feature in standard cars

Is like being pedantic,admit both opinions are valid is logical,stand to a single one is not,but of course boycott one theory without knowing some facts is selfishness by some people and those opinions should not make count,the idea of the forums is to debate in a reasonable way,not fanboy,anti fanboy way,I expose my theory because I don't see any official quotes about no-cockpit in standard cars,and to the date is a fact that is unknown, Instead of boycott or being sarcastic use reasonable words and reasonable argument, don't be pedantic both theories should be put in the table and discuss until and official pronouncement is taken.

BTW no one here(maybe in other threads)is saying that PD is god or something in that matter,they of course are no gods,but sadly Forza fanboys do think that most of the people in this forum think that PD are superior beings,they don't(as for myself they are no special),but they do a great product like GT that in all aspects is better than is competitor Forza series(Forza series are good but they are not as good as GT series and because of that I sold my xbox 360,also before it breaks),but a lot of people believe that PD can came up with a product that can mark some basis in newer products(in example day night transitions that Turn 10 can take for its oncoming Forza 4)and so on,sometimes fanboism is a pain in the ass,sometimes anti fanboys(in this case Forza's)can also be a pain in the ass,so don't be like a fanboy,be like a reasonable being and expose logical and reasonable arguments not stupidities like:

It's like faith, pointless to argue.

Difference with faith and GT5 you won't have to meet your maker to find out who's right.
On second thoughts, if there's a delay hhmmmm.

or

The GT Site isnt a Clouded, Open to Interpretation report..

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So please Guys, Drop It, Standard Cars wont Have Cockpits.

Said my point I will stick to my theory,if is wrong to bad but that will not make me stop buying the game(already buy it ),and it will not stop me enjoy playing it either.

 

[Sadaiyappan]

What about the default cockpit thing?

 

[magicalgin]

Guys, remember this?
https://www.gtplanet.net/real-life-vs-gran-turismo-corvette-zr1/

if not.. these are from the GTPSP ZR1 model. And it clearly has an interior, well I don't know for sure, but I think it is a standard model. Notice how the 3D model misses the ZR1 emblem on the chair.

EDIT: and misses detail in the grill, anyways it's not as detailed as what we've seen for premium..