STAR WARS General Discussion | Warning: Possible SPOILERS!Movies

[gamerdog6482]

Also Star Wars movies are not terribly good films to begin with. The acting and dialog in all six films is pretty atrocious to say the least and the story isn't even that original, I mean rescue the princess, save the galaxy, defeat evil, it's all pretty standard stuff.

That's not why we like it. Lucas is horrible with dialogue, that's common knowledge.
But the special effects were unparalleled. Bear in mind that EI came out the same year as The Matrix, but IV, V, and VI had special effects that no one had seen before. Industrial Lights & Magic is one of the main reasons it is what it is today.

That's just one reason.

 

[Minty]

That's not why we like it. Lucas is horrible with dialogue, that's common knowledge.
But the special effects were unparalleled. Bear in mind that EI came out the same year as The Matrix, but IV, V, and VI had special effects that no one had seen before. Industrial Lights & Magic is one of the main reasons it is what it is today.

That's just one reason.

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You're saying the thing that makes Star Wars is special effects.


And you're complaining about the movie being made by a company comprised almost entirely of god-tier special effects artists?


And Disney has fantastic writers. So now it'll have god-tier special effects and a decent, possibly original, and almost definitely well acted story.

Gutted

It's not that I think Disney is going to make films that are worse than Lucas, it's that there is now going to be an endless stream of Star Wars crap that for me, will weaken the "Star Wars Universe".

I'm sorry, are you implying there isn't already an endless stream of Star Wars crap?

 

[Tornado]

It's not that I think Disney is going to make films that are worse than Lucas, it's that there is now going to be an endless stream of Star Wars crap that for me, will weaken the "Star Wars Universe".

Hope you like Reagan, because it's 1980 up in here.

 

[Villain]

I think the biggest takeaway is that for fans like me, it can't get worse. It can stay as it is now and I'll be sure to tune out and maybe re-read the Thrawn Trilogy (it's been 17 years since I last read them ). However, if Disney gives them the PG-13 Pirates of the Caribbean treatment then I'm all for it and it can be a huge win.

Star Wars should be fun and the fights/conflicts should be meaningful. Fighting Darth Vader because he's threatening your sister life > fighting Darth Maul because he wears black and he looks demonic.

 

[Cano]

Er... sorry.

 

[Wiegert]

Seriously though. Don't dismiss these new films when all we know is the planned release date of the first one. As Minty said, we could actually end up with a pretty good and original storyline for these movies.

I personally want to see the same thing as Ardius, with the Yuuzhan Vong invasion/war, as well as the new character lineup he mentioned.

 

[Villain]

AWESOME POST

Exhibit A on why I wish GTP had a +Rep system.

Good work, sir.

 

[Mic_Col]

I'm hoping the film are not based on any of the books.

Main reason is that if they did then we'd have to hear all the chants of "The film isn't as good as the book."

It's always a silly point anyway as the process / experience of reading a book, and sitting there in a cinema watching a film are 2 very different things.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

The problem with the Thrawn stuff is that it just extends the 4-6 storyline. Its not quite different enough (in my opinion) to stand on its own in film form.

You could revive it in some way, shape or form.

JEDI ended with the Empire in tatters, so EPISODE VII could easily revolve around some element of the Empire remaining intact and trying to reassert itself in the galaxy. Alternatively, EPISODE VII could see the attempts at establishing the New Republic result in a monumental failure, and EPISODE VIII revolving around a group of planets that figure a New Empire might be the way to go, because as flawed as it was, it wasn't truly broken.

But again, all of that hinges on galactic politics.

 

[Grand Prix]

I'm hoping the film are not based on any of the books.

Main reason is that if they did then we'd have to hear all the chants of "The film isn't as good as the book."

It's always a silly point anyway as the process / experience of reading a book, and sitting there in a cinema watching a film are 2 very different things.

I can see that.

It's just that it would be a shame if they didn't use already well thought out material as a base. If they decide to use the story of the Empire being reunited once more, the Thrawn trilogy already has that. This is covered somewhat in The Courtship of Princess Leia as well. In the Thrawn trilogy though, the previously crippled Empire actually becomes a major threat to the New Republic, both on the battlefield and from within.

If they decide to use an invasion of the galaxy by another unknown race, that's already been covered at least twice.

If they decide to use a cloned Palpatine, that's been thought of as well.

An isolated Imperial top secret weapons facility, containing a prototype weapon that could destroy stars? Already done.


There's just not much room for creativity after Return of the Jedi. Maybe a civil war splitting up the New Republic could be interesting, but wait, wasn't that Episodes I-III?

So, if they're going to make a trilogy that takes place after Episode VI, they might as well use someone else's hard work and make millions out of it.


I don't really care how much they leave out of whatever novels they choose, as long as it's consistent with the original story. Of course not everyone will see it that way, and they'll be screaming bloody murder if it's not exactly like the books, kind of like you said.

Basically, I just want to see Thrawn and the Solid Snake-style Noghri Death Commandos on the big screen. The Yuuzhan Vong invasion would be awesome too. Either way.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

In that case, if having a galaxy-wide threat is not an option, then don't have a galaxy-wide threat.

Look at how the original and prequel trilogies started: they were very low-key in comparison to the way each of them ended. JEDI ended with Luke and his friends thwarting an oppressive galactic regime - but HOPE started with Luke stumbling upon a distress call intended for the supposedly-crazy old guy who lived nearby. And where SITH ended with a galactic civil war and the extermination of the Jedi, MENACE opened with a trade blockade of a neutral planet.

What I'm saying is that Disney need to play the long game here. Save the catastrophic galaxy-threatening stuff for EPISODE IX, and instead start VII with something low-key.

 

[Grand Prix]

In that case, if having a galaxy-wide threat is not an option, then don't have a galaxy-wide threat.

Look at how the original and prequel trilogies started: they were very low-key in comparison to the way each of them ended. JEDI ended with Luke and his friends thwarting an oppressive galactic regime - but HOPE started with Luke stumbling upon a distress call intended for the supposedly-crazy old guy who lived nearby. And where SITH ended with a galactic civil war and the extermination of the Jedi, MENACE opened with a trade blockade of a neutral planet.

What I'm saying is that Disney need to play the long game here. Save the catastrophic galaxy-threatening stuff for EPISODE IX, and instead start VII with something low-key.

Makes sense. 👍 Will be interesting to see what route they take anyway.

 

[FoolKiller]

I see the reaction here is the same as when Disney bought Marvel. Childish renderings of "Disnified" characters, rants of destroying a franchise, and various forms of bickering.

Simple truth is, Marvel is still Marvel. They just have better marketing and some nice comic-related cartoons (Ultimate Spiderman is up for debate) that were actually handed over to a company that specialized in comic stuff.

I also know that Disney owns (owned?) Miramax/Dimension Films. That is the company run by the Weinsteins before they started their own company. Disney is hands off enough that Tarantino and Kevin Smith both got their starts from a Disney-owned company. Disney is also ABC and ESPN. There is no mouse in my football and I get to watch any ALMS race from the last season anytime I want on my XBox.

And to think any kind of collaborations between ILM and Pixar/the guys who did Tron/guys who did Avengers could be bad are smoking something. Bring in Peter Jackson's group and you basically have an FX super team.

In short, there is zero reason to freak out about this, unless you are one of those people that thinks the whole world revolves around you and everyone should only see your vision.

Disney is one of the best at satisfying their customers and understanding their audience. I think the changing tone of the Toy Story trilogy shows that. The audience grew up, and the movies with it. Heck, all the Pixar films show a move toward more modern themes, like families in a fast-paced world, the absent father who is always working, being replaced at work by the new guy with skills you don't have, and even mass consumerism (irony).

Disney is good. Lucasfilm will still be Lucasfilm. Based on past performance I say this has a far better chance at being good than bad.

 

[sumbrownkid]

Jar Jar becomes a Sith Lord.

You heard it here first folks.

 

[Mic_Col]

^^^

If I hear the words 'Darth Binks'

I will storm out of the cinema cursing loudly.

 

[RACECAR]

Jar Jar becomes a Sith Lord.

And it becomes the best-selling Star wars book.

 

[Schwartz]

Join mesa, and together weesa ganna rule da galaxy!

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Makes sense. 👍

If I were writing EPISODE VII, the premise would be simple: the Force is being corrupted. It's never really detailed what midichlorians are, but they're obviously microscopic symbiotic organisms that live in the blood of Force-sensitive individuals. Like any life form, they are susecptible to infection - whether viral, bacterial or fungal - and a side-effect of this infection is that users of Force are going mad. The story itself would focus on a band of Jedi attempting to discover the origin of the infection, and hopefully a cure. EPISODE VII would end with the twist that the infection is not a weapon developed by the Empire, a new Sith uprising, or the first stages of an incoming galactic invasion (three ideas that would be pushed forward throughout the film), but rather a perfectly normal infectious disease that a Jedi unfortunately happened to pick up while on an assignment and spread to others. The protagonists travel to the galactic core to find the source of the infection, and witness the destabilisation of the black hole at the centre of the galaxy as something on the other side attempts to make contact. This would set up EPISODE VIII, as the New Republic attempts to deal with an incoming invasion. But in another twist ending, it is revealed that this is not an invasion, but a group of refugees fleeing the destruction of their own galaxy as it collides with another. They went through the black hole at the centre of their galaxy and came out in the middle of the established one, carrying weapons because they had no idea what was on the other side.

I'd do it this way, because both stories would have the potential to a) have devastating consequences for the galaxy, so there are actual stkes to play for; and b) still be able to tell very personal stories, thereby allowing the creation of characters audiences actually care for.

 

[The Bman]

Jar Jar becomes a Sith Lord.

You heard it here first folks.

 

[niky]

If I were writing EPISODE VII, the premise would be simple: the Force is being corrupted. It's never really detailed what midichlorians are, but they're obviously microscopic symbiotic organisms that live in the blood of Force-sensitive individuals. Like any life form, they are susecptible to infection - whether viral, bacterial or fungal - and a side-effect of this infection is that users of Force are going mad. The story itself would focus on a band of Jedi attempting to discover the origin of the infection, and hopefully a cure. EPISODE VII would end with the twist that the infection is not a weapon developed by the Empire, a new Sith uprising, or the first stages of an incoming galactic invasion (three ideas that would be pushed forward throughout the film), but rather a perfectly normal infectious disease that a Jedi unfortunately happened to pick up while on an assignment and spread to others. The protagonists travel to the galactic core to find the source of the infection, and witness the destabilisation of the black hole at the centre of the galaxy as something on the other side attempts to make contact. This would set up EPISODE VIII, as the New Republic attempts to deal with an incoming invasion. But in another twist ending, it is revealed that this is not an invasion, but a group of refugees fleeing the destruction of their own galaxy as it collides with another. They went through the black hole at the centre of their galaxy and came out in the middle of the established one, carrying weapons because they had no idea what was on the other side.

I'd do it this way, because both stories would have the potential to a) have devastating consequences for the galaxy, so there are actual stkes to play for; and b) still be able to tell very personal stories, thereby allowing the creation of characters audiences actually care for.

You'd have add some kind of bad guy at some point. And people will be expecring Sith. Perhaps one misleading the extra-galactics into believing the Jedi are the bad guys and planning to use the galaxy-hopping technology of the EGs for some sinister cause to be revealed in the final film. Perhaps to link to a galaxy full of Dark Siders.

 

[FoolKiller]

I could do without a mention of midichloridians ever again.

 

[niky]

Unfortunately, we're stuck with them.

 

[Pupik]

I could do without a mention of midichloridians ever again.

Since the midichloridians (Floridians that huff chlorine while listening to MIDI music?) were an "early" development, perhaps later on, they die off, but the real Jedi power is within.

That was dumber than Jar Jar, in my opinion, who already set a really low bar.

 

[sumbrownkid]

Midichloridians = Jedi Creationism?

 

[Danoff]

This is nothing but good, Lucas couldn't possibly have done any more damage to the franchise (and Indiana Jones) than he did. Glad to see someone owns them that is capable of putting out quality products (also capable of doing the opposite of course).

This was the only possible way we could get any more good material out of star wars.

 

[FoolKiller]

The one thing that truly bothers me about how Star Wars has has gone has been this steadfast focus on Jedis, Empire, and Republic. Granted that is the big overall story. But from books and everything else there is a much deeper universe than just what Lucas shows us. We could learn about the Hutts, the bounty hunters, even scruffy-looking nerd herder smugglers.

The few times Lucas tried branching out we got made for TV Ewok movies. I want to see what goes on outside the main story. There is even room for sports-like movies taking place in this universe. It is such a large and diverse universe that Lucas can make up new names, races, and planets whenever he needs them to fit his current story.

Please note: I'm not saying anything I suggested above would be great movie topics, but just tossing out examples of stories that can exist with the larger main story as merely background noise.

 

[sumbrownkid]

How about a movie that focuses on the Rebel soldier?

 

[Danoff]

Solo (obviously the best character in the original trilogy - with the possible exception of Darth), would not have made it in the prequel trilogy. No force? Sorry, not interested. Part of what make luke interesting was that he was weird (not surrounded by others just like him). Othewise he's just a whiny kid who's over confident and kindof obnoxious.

 

[FoolKiller]

Solo (obviously the best character in the original trilogy - with the possible exception of Darth), would not have made it in the prequel trilogy. No force? Sorry, not interested. Part of what make luke interesting was that he was weird (not surrounded by others just like him). Othewise he's just a whiny kid who's over confident and kindof obnoxious.

Yet Jango Fett has his own game. The Force still exists, but it is not part of the focal point. The audience knows what it is now, so running across a Jedi or Sith is not confusing. But a bounty hunter or smuggler makes for an interesting tale. I mean, Whedon made a whole TV show and movie about space smugglers.

 

[JediRage]

I never saw the appeal in the Fetts. The pair had an air of oh-look-we-so-cool-we-the-playa to them.

I do like exploring the world of Star Wars like their sports etc. but the brand is symbolised by Jedis and lightsabers. So I doubt it will veer from that path.