StarCraft 2 - Season 7 is live. Someday I'll ladder, honest
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Tal Darim natural can be hit from the low ground. Then you have all the old maps like Lost Temple, Steppes of War, etc. Plus you can do fun drops between the 3rd and main on several maps.
Just how maps are.
Also, Siege tanks hitting the 3rd on Korhal shouldn't be an issue if you are paying attention to your opponent at all.
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Positioning is not my strong point. I probably really could benefit from having a session with one of you.
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Wow I hate 1v1 bronze. Do I really have to rank up through this crap? Two games just lasted nearly an hour because of turtling. TvT is so boring I'd rather smash my face on my keyboard. 
I lost the second one though. I'll admit i'm not good at end game. I'd rather end it mid-late at the latest.
I lost the second one though. I'll admit i'm not good at end game. I'd rather end it mid-late at the latest.
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Wow I hate 1v1 bronze. Do I really have to rank up through this crap? Two games just lasted nearly an hour because of turtling. TvT is so boring I'd rather smash my face on my keyboard.
You can kill a bronze player in about 20 minutes if they turtle hard on one base by just getting battle cruisers and Yamato'ing all his tanks.
Post a replay via replayfu or something and I can maybe take a look at it, but I feel you probably could have ended the game several times if you'd been on top of macro.
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I was getting frustrated with turtles too and that's how I started breaking them.
I'm switching to Protoss I think. I won 4 straight as Protoss today. 1 against bronze, two silver and a gold. Chargelots, archons and stalkers was what. I focused on. The last game I had I had 10 stalkers, 8 Collosus and the rest archons and chargelots which tore through a silver Terran turtle. Plus with my pylon nearby I had many reinforcements from my 10 warpgates instantly as I was on 4 bases.
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Played another game of 1v1. Won pretty easy. Was just around mid game. So my macro seems strong early to mid but I lack after that.
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I've been playing Protoss only the last couple days. Started out pretty rough but I'm winning most games now. 6 pool rush still gets me every time as protoss and PvP is my weakest.
Yesterday I just focused on nailing down a 4 warpgate rush build which works very well in bronze. It's rarely defended and if so I move into high tech. Almost every Terran in bronze goes mass bio which is easily defended with Collosus, chargelots and stalkers. I've also won a few games with dark templars as well if I notice they still don't have detection...
Yesterday I just focused on nailing down a 4 warpgate rush build which works very well in bronze. It's rarely defended and if so I move into high tech. Almost every Terran in bronze goes mass bio which is easily defended with Collosus, chargelots and stalkers. I've also won a few games with dark templars as well if I notice they still don't have detection...
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If I had to pick one unit from protoss it'd be the observer. I wish i had one to use.
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I had been playing a lot of Monobattles, and 1v1 toss recently, and went back to my terran account for a little bit. Instead of regular tvt, I love doing tech cheese, like proxy Battlecruiser into sky terran, and a modified reaper rush. reapers are awesome! basically build as many reapers as possible before the standard 6:30 scan, and do massive econ damage. It is not intended to kill, but just to maim. Then switch buldings and use techlabs on factories, and starports for more sky terran fun!
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What's your BO for reaper rush? And what's modified about it?
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I'm back into the top 5 bronze after a severe drop when I switched to Protoss. I'm playing silver guys nearly every match so I'm probably being considered for a promotion again. I finally properly defended a 4 gate rush from another Protoss yesterday and a 6 pool which was cool. I know that makes me sound like a total noob but I am one... My biggest weaknesses are mass roaches/hydralisks, 6 pools and PvP.
I know in bronze its more of who has more units wins but what are the best units to focus on in a general PvP game?
I know in bronze its more of who has more units wins but what are the best units to focus on in a general PvP game?
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Well, its not so much a build order, as much as a "build 12 rax, 13 gas, then tech lab, reaper, add a barracks every spare 150 mins". It usually goes to 4 rax, and about 10 reapers. From there start your expansion in the main, and try to wreak your opponents mineral line. Most maps these days are rubbish for TvT reapers, especially Ohana and Daybreak.
Well, to start, Roach/Hydra is effective until Collossus. Colossii burn hydras like paper.
And in PvP as far as I'm aware, zealots are just meat sheilds until charge is researched. They get kited so easily by stalkers it's not funny. PvP also has a reputation as 'War of the Worlds' for late game collossus battles (like 8 collossii a side), because toss is actually pretty rubbish against collossus. Void Rays are an anti collossus option, but that requires you to target fire the collossus, and your VR's should get target fired by the opponant's stalkers. So 'War of the Worlds' games come down to positioning, number of collossii, and upgrades, probably in that order.
my personal strat for PvP centers around robo play (like 2 bases, 3 robos), so I can get a warp prism or two, and pump out immortals and collossi as needed. I have noticed people use archons alot, but they only get an attack bonus vs zealots. And always have an observer. People like to be tricksy little ones and use DT's in the lower leagues
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3 Robos on 2 bases? How do you secure the 2nd base?
Archons are awesome in PvP for certain timings, namely before 3 Colossi can come out, as they can bust ForceFields and allow Zealots to swarm over Stalkers. Mix in a few Immortals to focus down the Colossi, and viola.
Archons are awesome in PvP for certain timings, namely before 3 Colossi can come out, as they can bust ForceFields and allow Zealots to swarm over Stalkers. Mix in a few Immortals to focus down the Colossi, and viola.
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Ok thanks for the advice. Last night I was just 4 gating every protoss match because I wasn't sure what else to do. Plus every time I plan on not doing so they do...
I'm pretty good now at defending 6 pool rushes. In bronze it's either 6 pool or roach/hydra and sometimes mutas but that's easy. So I'm down to PvP as my biggest weakness. I did figure out on my own about the colossus for hydras. It's not really fair to him when I have a max army of basically only collosus and stalkers which was brought on by him attacking with only 1 brood lord at first? Then I knew brood lords were coming so just stacked up on those two units and only ended up losing 15 units while he lost his whole army.
Had an awesome game against a gold Terran too which ended up with me losing unfortunately. 38 minute game where we each were on 4 bases by the end. Storms are absolutely amazing against bio but he ended up bringing out 5 battlecruisers and I didn't have the stalkers to take them down.
I'm pretty good now at defending 6 pool rushes. In bronze it's either 6 pool or roach/hydra and sometimes mutas but that's easy. So I'm down to PvP as my biggest weakness. I did figure out on my own about the colossus for hydras. It's not really fair to him when I have a max army of basically only collosus and stalkers which was brought on by him attacking with only 1 brood lord at first? Then I knew brood lords were coming so just stacked up on those two units and only ended up losing 15 units while he lost his whole army.
Had an awesome game against a gold Terran too which ended up with me losing unfortunately. 38 minute game where we each were on 4 bases by the end. Storms are absolutely amazing against bio but he ended up bringing out 5 battlecruisers and I didn't have the stalkers to take them down.
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I hate storms with a passion. He should have had ghosts to EMP your HTs.
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Hmm not smart.
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Nope but I am in bronze so even when I play guys who are favored they still aren't all that great. I know my macro is terrible and I am constantly working to make that better.
PvP is getting really frustrating in bronze, nearly everyone 4 gates. So unless you play defensive with 4 gates you lose. Last game I wasn't actually planning on 4 gating and then scouted him doing so. I put a proxy pylon in his base and built up my army at my own ramp waiting for the attack. When he did I just blocked my ramp with half his stalkers down below and placed a single zealot in his base to kill all his probes. He quit after 2 probes died and proceeded to call me a coward and tell me things about my mom... I don't understand that.
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Is it? Just kind of brutal doing the same build every time I play a PvP. I am still in bronze so that should tell you about my mechanics 
I'd like to learn to play Zerg while in bronze so I could play random but the few times I've tried it is so hard to focus on everything going on. Choosing between drones and units, injecting larva and rallying the units to the proper places can be difficult for a noob who is still trying to get that down with Protoss and Terran.
I'd like to learn to play Zerg while in bronze so I could play random but the few times I've tried it is so hard to focus on everything going on. Choosing between drones and units, injecting larva and rallying the units to the proper places can be difficult for a noob who is still trying to get that down with Protoss and Terran.
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Just play Random.
The reality is you can win every game at Bronze level simply making 1 unit and a-moving on the mini-map, if you are focusing on mechanics. Unit counters, special builds, control, etc are all more or less meaningless in light of mechanics at that point. Why? Because when you can have triple your opponents supply at 9 minutes into the game it quite frankly doesn't matter what you do.
Play Random. 2 Gate/Robo expand, 2 Rax expand, or Speedling expand every game. If you focus on mechanics, you should win damn near every game.
The reality is you can win every game at Bronze level simply making 1 unit and a-moving on the mini-map, if you are focusing on mechanics. Unit counters, special builds, control, etc are all more or less meaningless in light of mechanics at that point. Why? Because when you can have triple your opponents supply at 9 minutes into the game it quite frankly doesn't matter what you do.
Play Random. 2 Gate/Robo expand, 2 Rax expand, or Speedling expand every game. If you focus on mechanics, you should win damn near every game.
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I successfully pulled off my first reaper harass in 3v3 today. 
But it was against crappy players so I guess it doesn't mean much. The first attack made the player leave. But it's his own damn fault I took out nearly 3/4ths of his probes before he pulled them off the line then I was able to take out his Nexus before his Terran buddy made me leave. (He had zealots to protect which the reapers tore through) Then after that just poked at each player and harassed the **** out of them. Once they saw one of my teammates army of void rays and the other's stalker/colossus they left. Was satisfying. Was floating minerals horribly though, we would have lost if my reapers got destroyed and the harass was unsuccessful. Definitely cannot micro an army and macro at the same time.
But it was against crappy players so I guess it doesn't mean much. The first attack made the player leave. But it's his own damn fault I took out nearly 3/4ths of his probes before he pulled them off the line then I was able to take out his Nexus before his Terran buddy made me leave. (He had zealots to protect which the reapers tore through) Then after that just poked at each player and harassed the **** out of them. Once they saw one of my teammates army of void rays and the other's stalker/colossus they left. Was satisfying. Was floating minerals horribly though, we would have lost if my reapers got destroyed and the harass was unsuccessful. Definitely cannot micro an army and macro at the same time.
Man my TvZ sucks right now >__________>
Unless i can keep the zerg to 3base with dropspam, I get screwed over by infestor+hive tech. And, of course, good infestor control will shut down my drops hard if they have higher than 90 apm T_T. I've fallen back onto either a 2base mech timing with +2 weapons using 3-5 tanks and thors and a bunch of hellions to take out zerg's third and maybe do more damage after that while I take my own third, or going for a third base and massing up 3/3 thors to try and beat the zerg with one big push.
Starting to play around a lot more with mech tvp, usually starting with a marauder/hellion push while getting my nat up and then going into tank/hellion with a few ravens, avoiding construction of AA unless absolutely necessary. Not bad if you build a total of like 8 planetaries for 4 bases
Unless i can keep the zerg to 3base with dropspam, I get screwed over by infestor+hive tech. And, of course, good infestor control will shut down my drops hard if they have higher than 90 apm T_T. I've fallen back onto either a 2base mech timing with +2 weapons using 3-5 tanks and thors and a bunch of hellions to take out zerg's third and maybe do more damage after that while I take my own third, or going for a third base and massing up 3/3 thors to try and beat the zerg with one big push.
Starting to play around a lot more with mech tvp, usually starting with a marauder/hellion push while getting my nat up and then going into tank/hellion with a few ravens, avoiding construction of AA unless absolutely necessary. Not bad if you build a total of like 8 planetaries for 4 bases
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Started to play some random last night, and rolled my worst race (zerg) 5 times in a row. I even lost to a freakin' cannon rush! I was a little bit aggrivated, soI raged at the guy...who proceeded to tell the truth (AKA, I suck at Zerg)
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