Stock car race comparison/challenge

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Got a few more:
Professional Hall: GT World Championship Race 7 - Opera Paris
Car: Nissan GT-R Concept LM Race Car '02 (R2 tires, no oil change) / FR / 626HP / 1100kg / 1.8kg/HP / 200 A-Spec

Total Time - 23'30.644
Fastest Lap - 1'15.679
Line up - MINOLTA Toyota, Nissan R89C, Nissan R92CP, Gillet Vertigo, AMG Mercedes
Win Margin - + 13.089 vs MINOLTA

This wasn't too bad. I only had to pit once and knew they would pit twice so all I had to do was stay behind the MINOLTA and just behind the R92CP. Stayed ahead of R92CP until lap 6 and they both pitted in on Lap 8.

I was really annoyed that I had to pit the lap after because my rear tyres were knackered while my fronts would have easily lasted another 3 laps. They both pitted on Lap 16 (10 seconds behind the MINOLTA) and just cruised to victory
 
Special Conditions: Tsukuba Wet Race : Normal difficulty
Car: '74 Mitsubishi Lancer 1600 GSR Rally Car / FR / 160HP / 825kg / 5.156kg/HP / vs. '02 Saleen S7 200 A-spec by stidriver
This was a clean win with the Lancer taking the lead on the last turn on the first lap.
 
European Hall: Schwartzwald Liga A - All Races
Car: BMW 120i '04 (S2 tires, oil changed) / 157HP / 1335kg / 8.5kg/HP / 200 A-spec points

Even though this car can go much faster than any of the AI, the difficulty of navigating through the minefield of Artificial Idiots meant I couldn't avoid a few imaginary dents in the car in the narrow confines of Autumn Ring and Opera Paris. :banghead: I did, however, avoid everything at Trial Mountain. The AI are pretty evenly matched, but having the Golf or 330i in front helped somewhat, because even though this car can go through corners very well, it feels really slow on the straights, which I guess is mostly due to its high WPR.
 
Endurance races: Laguna Seca 200 miles

Car: Shelby Series 1 '03 (R1, New Oil) / FR / 351HP / 1202kg / 3.4kg/HP / 200 A-spec by Open Addict


Kinda fitting I have been able to put my 500th post in the Stock car thread with a 200 pointer. but i did this about a week ago and saved it untill now.
 
Extreme Hall: GT All Stars - Races 1, 2, 7, and 9
Car: Pagani Zonda LM Race Car '01 (No oil change, R3 tires, maximum downforce) / MR / 661HP / 1150kg / 1.7kg/HP / 200 A-spec points

Extreme Hall: GT All Stars - Races 3, 4, 6, 8, and 10
Car: Pagani Zonda LM Race Car '01 (No oil change, R2 tires, maximum downforce) / MR / 661HP / 1150kg / 1.7kg/HP / 200 A-spec points

Extreme Hall: GT All Stars Race 5 - Test Course
Car: Pagani Zonda LM Race Car '01 (No oil change, R1/R3 tires, minimum downforce) / MR / 661HP / 1150kg / 1.7kg/HP / 200 A-spec points

At all races but Test Course, I qualified and went against a lineup (about 10 from reset in NTSC) with a Peugeot 905, a Toyota GT-ONE, a BMW V12 LMR, a Toyota 7, and a Nissan R390 GT1, and I did all but it and Nurburgring with an absolutely stock setup, mostly because I felt too lazy to adjust the transmission after every race. I did have to redo Suzuka and Nurburgring, the former because I felt the race had too many questionable contacts (precipitated by using R2s rather than R3s the first time), and the latter because I was just plain slow the first time, but after shortening the gears and softening and raising the suspension, it was actually quite easy. In retrospect, I could have used R3s rather than R2s at Laguna and Infineon, but they were both easy, anyway, especially considering that the AI went off the track quite a bit at both of those as well as Autumn Ring. Only a couple of the races were 100% clean because I had one or two detrimental off-track excursions in most races and idiotic wall contacts (on straights!) in a couple others. As expected, La Sarthe was the dirtiest by far, not to mention the hardest, as I had AI bashing my rear bumper for most of the race. Blocking was successful, however.

Finally, at Test Course, I couldn't win with the rest of the races' lineup because the two fast AI cars, the GT-ONE and V12 LMR, started first, and I couldn't qualify in front of them because they went out first in that, too, and I couldn't get behind them in time to draft. So I ended up choosing a lineup with two slow-starting cars in front, the 905 and 2D, which held up the rest of the field and allowed me to catch up to the slipstream of the fastest AI car, the Bentley. I used the first two laps to test how far back I had to go to get going fast enough to fully pass the Bentley, and the third to actually make the pass, sneak just barely in front of it, and block it all the way to the finish. There are better cars and better lineups for this particular race, but I wanted to win all ten races in the championship with the Zonda.
 
Haven't played GT4 in a couple of months, I figured the best way to get back on the horse would be yet another run at El Capitan. I certainly felt rusty at times( I somehow managed to spin out on the opening straight..:dunce:), and as a result had a surprisingly close race with some TVR's and Corvettes. Still won by about 30 secs.



Endurance races: El Capitan
Car: Nissan Skyline Coupe 350GT '03 (S1 tires) / 278HP / 1530kg / 5.5kg/HP / 200 A-spec
 
Extreme Hall: GT All Stars - Races 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
Car: Mazda 787B Race Car '91 (Black used, R2 tyres or R2/R1 tyres) / MR / 715HP / 830kg / 1.2kg/HP / 200 A-spec by mynameissport

Extreme Hall: GT All Stars - Race 5 Test Course
Car: Mazda 787B Race Car '91 (R2 tyres, min downforce) / MR / 715HP / 830kg / 1.2kg/HP / 200 A-spec by mynameissport

Vs PAL Lineup:
Toyota 88C-V
Nissan R92CP
BMW V12 LMR
Mazda 787B
Sauber Mercedes C9

Endurance races: Infineon World Sports endurance
Car: Mazda 787B Race Car '91 (Black used, R1 tyres) / MR / 715HP / 830kg / 1.2kg/HP / 200 A-spec by mynameissport

Vs PAL Lineup:

Nissan R89C
Mazda 787B
Sauber Mercedes C9
Jaguar XJR-9
Audi R8
 
Endurance races: Sarthe 24hr II
Car: Peugeot 905 Race Car '92 (R1 tires, no oil change, minimum downforce) / MR / 799HP/ 750kg / 0.9kg/HP / 200 A-spec points

I completed 443 laps in 24:00'05.804 with a fastest lap of 3'08.279 an a margin of victory of nearly nine laps over the 88C-V (the other cars, in finishing order, were the C9, R92CP, R89C, and XJR-9 - lineup #9). I used no driving aids and made an effort to touch grass and runoff areas as little as possible, meaning I tried to keep all four tires completely on rumble strips and real track. I pitted every nine laps as I lost too much time by saving fuel to make stretching the runs to ten laps worth it, but the front tires weren't even beginning to show signs of yellow. In fact, although I don't think it would be within the rules of this thread, you could make it eight laps on R3/R2 but would have to start on R1s to make 200 points.
 
I ran following entry for club 200 today (completely stock no driving aids , S2 tyres):

Extreme Hall: Like The Wind Race - Test Course
Car: Audi Le Mans Quattro '03 (Prizecar , S2 tyres , no oil change) / 4WD / 632HP / 1530kg / 2.4 kg/HP / 200 A-spec by MadMax86

vs lineup of
Nissan R92CP Race Car '92
Toyota 7 Race Car '70
Pescarolo Courage C60 Race Car '03
MINOLTA Toyota 88C-V Race Car '89
Nissan R390 GT1 Race Car '98

It took several lineup resets to find a working one,
This one was nice because the Toyota 7 and Courage C60 blocked MINOLTA in the start and denied draft from R92CP :lol:
It was actually the key to my win here. I got 1on1 opportunity coming out of last lefthande turn side by side with R92CP :cool:



MadMax
 
Endurance races: Sarthe 24hr I
Car: Mazda 787B Race Car '91 (R1 tires, no oil change, no chassis refresh, 49/62 downforce) / MR / 715HP/ 830kg / 1.2 kg/HP / 200 A-spec points

I wrote some about it here and here.
 
Endurance races: Sarthe 24hr I
Car: Mazda 787B Race Car '91 (R1 tires, no oil change, no chassis refresh, 49/62 downforce) / MR / 715HP/ 830kg / 1.2 kg/HP / 200 A-spec points

I wrote some about it here and here.

Congrats. Welcome back to the land of the living. I can't imagine trying to do a 24hr ASpec race.
 
I know what you mean. :lol: But really, if nobody else wants to use the PS2 for long intervals and you aren't concerned with power outages or something accidentally pressing the power button, you can spread it over multiple weeks and it becomes manageable. However, it does mean that you have to race that car on that track exclusively for that whole time because you can't save and exit in the middle of the race. While it really drags on at times if you aren't consumed in a fierce battle for the race's entirety like Smallhorses was here, it is necessary if you want to reach the maximum 111813 A-Spec points.
 
Endurance Races: Laguna Seca 200 miles/ Honda NSX-R Concept '01 (oil change, R1 tyres)/ MR/ 302BHP/ 1270kg/ 4.2kg/HP/ 200 A-spec points
 
Manufacturer's Hall: Silver Arrow Challenge- Nurburgring

Car: Mercedes Benz SL600 (R129) '98 (Used, no oil) / FR / 356HP / 2029kg / 5.7kg/HP / 182 A-spec by RVDNuT374 against the first lineup after reset, has the SLR Mclaren starting 5th

Getting by the SLR Mclaren early is critical to have any chance of victory. Once in front of him, heavy blocking is required or else he'll shoot off into the distance leaving you to fight for 2nd. :grumpy:

Manufacturer's Hall: Type R Challenge- all races

Car: Honda Civic Type R (EP) '01 (Used, no oil) / FF / 192HP / 1190kg / 6.2kg/HP / 200 A-spec by RVDNuT374 against any lineup without NSX's


Professional Hall: Race Of Turbo Sports- Tokyo R246 Reverse

Car: '94 Nismo 270R (prizecar, oil changed) / FR / 280 hp / 1240 kg / 4.43 kg/hp / 200 A-spec by RVDNuT374 against the 3rd lineup after reset
 
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Extreme Hall:Formula GT Race 1-6
Car: Audi R8 Race Car '01 (R1 AND R2/R3tires) / MR / 784HP / 900kg / 1.1kg/HP / 200 A-Spec

Will do write up when I finish the other 9 races
 
Recently I tried for 200 pt/stock wins for the first time, managed to win these:

- Beginners Hall: Sunday cup Race 3 - High Speed Ring
Car: Toyota Prius G (J) '02 (Used, no oil) / FF / 68HP/ 1220kg / 17.9kg/HP / 200 A-spec

High Speed Ring not being the most difficult circuit, after having won on S2 tyres I tried again to see if it was doable on S1's (it was). Then on N3's (ditto :) ).

Uh, do we get extra points for something like that.? ;)

- European Hall: Pan Euro Championship race 2 - Grand Valley
Car: BMW M3 CSL '03 (stock) / FR / 360HP / 1385kg / 3.8kg/HP / 200 A-spec

Won this one a few times (all clean & no driving aids of course), I don't know if I got lucky with the lineup though.

Seeing there was the SLR Mclaren (besides the Cizeta V16T and the TVR 350), which has about double the horsepower than the M3, I doubted it was doable at first. But the SLR got stuck behind other AI cars for a while and by the time it started to catch up, the CSL was long gone. Great stock car, that. 👍
 
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High Speed Ring not being the most difficult circuit, after having won on S2 tyres I tried again to see if it was doable on S1's (it was). Then on N3's (ditto :) ).

Uh, do we get extra points for something like that.? ;).....

no, but if you use N tyres, you can not have it entered in to the STOCK Thread.
 
no, but if you use N tyres, you can not have it entered in to the STOCK Thread.

Well I did say I won it on stock (S2) tyres beforehand... Only afterwards I tried if using worse ones was possible as well.

(Besides, I don't quite see what's wrong with using *worse* tyres to make things more realistic (S2 usually are too grippy for street cars) - although on the other hand I can understand the reasoning about keeping things absolutely stock.)
 
Endurance Races: Nürburgring 4hrs

Car: Chrysler Crossfire '04 / FR / 215HP no oil change /S1 tires / 1361kg / 6.3kg/HP / 200 A-Spec points by SuperCobraJet


NTSC/USA Lineup:

Mercedes CLK 55 AMG '00
Lancia Delta HF Integrale Evoluzione '91
Renault Clio Sport V6 Phase 2 '03
Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport (C4) '96
Fiat Coupe Turbo Plus '00

Completed 29 laps at a time of 4:02'23.743
Fastest unassisted lap 8'13.333

As compared to many other cars, the Crossfire is well mannered, relatively forgiving and pleasant to drive at the Nurb, making for pretty consistant lap times.
 
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Endurance Races: Nürburgring 4hrs

Car: Chrysler Crossfire '04 / FR / 215HP no oil change /S1 tires / 1361kg / 6.3kg/HP / 200 A-Spec


NTSC/USA Lineup:

Mercedes CLK 55 AMG '00
Lancia Delta HF Integrale Evoluzione '91
Renault Clio Sport V6 Phase 2 '03
Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport (C4) '96
Fiat Coupe Turbo Plus '00

Completed 29 laps at a time of 4:02'23.743
Fastest unassisted lap 8'13.333

As compared to many other cars, the Crossfire is well mannered, relatively forgiving and pleasant to drive at the Nurb, making for pretty consistant lap times.

What was your MOV on that one if you can remember?
 
no, but if you use N tyres, you can not have it entered in to the STOCK Thread.

actually, the N tires are more stock than the Sports tires, as, in reality, most cars you buy off a lot come with N1-N3 tires. It's only the high performance cars, like the Ferraris and Maseratis that come stock with sport racing tires.
 
actually, the N tires are more stock than the Sports tires, as, in reality, most cars you buy off a lot come with N1-N3 tires. It's only the high performance cars, like the Ferraris and Maseratis that come stock with sport racing tires.

Not in GT4 they don't and these are the rules that're in post #1 as laid down by the thread starter, hispeed many years ago.
You and RaidoGT can't show up to the party 4 years late and bring your own rules with you just because these ones don't suit you. 👎
What Open Addict has said is absolutely true, an N-tyred entry will not make the list, as won't modified vehicles or vehicles with ballast weight added.
We know what's true in real life, but this is a thread on a videogame forum which doesn't have "real life" rules applied, the rules for this thread are laid out abundantly clearly for all and sundry to see. :)
 
no, but if you use N tyres, you can not have it entered in to the STOCK Thread.
actually, the N tires are more stock than the Sports tires, as, in reality, most cars you buy off a lot come with N1-N3 tires. It's only the high performance cars, like the Ferraris and Maseratis that come stock with sport racing tires.

ACTUALLY, if you want your submission in this Stock car thread, you would follow the rules about tyres, among other rules.
Rules are there to stop confusion and to keep every-one on the same page :)

[size=+3]Stock car race comparison/challenge[/size] ....
[size=+2]Rules[/size]: No tuning (stock car -> i.e. you can't buy any new parts, but you can change all settings possible except ballast). Oil change allowed. No wallriding or shortcuts including riding AI cars in corners. 2 tires on the track at all times. S2 or S1 tires for any car, R3->S1 tires for race cars.
Rally cars come with R1-tires stock, R1->S1 allowed.
Special races can be ridden with dirt or snow tires.

The Laguna seca enduro can be ridden with RSH tires (R1) as all AI road cars uses it (this is an exeption to the rule due to a probable slip from Polyphony Digital)....

Also Ferrari's and Maserati's are not in GT4 anyway, so not good example's.


My and many other's understanding of Hispeed'd rules were basically, by the car (or win the car) and then race the car. No additions.

Tree'd by the Smallhorses :)
 
Not in GT4 they don't and these are the rules that're in post #1 as laid down by the thread starter, hispeed many years ago.
You and RaidoGT can't show up to the party 4 years late and bring your own rules with you just because these ones don't suit you. 👎

Whoa there, hold your horses Oh Small One. There seems to be some misconception here.

I never said in this thread I wanted to introduce N2 tyres instead of S2. I only said I won those particular HSRing Stock 200-pointers using the default S2's. Afterwards I tried them again using N3's, to see if it was doable. That's all.
I don't know where you get the idea that I suggested to make those compulsory for this particular competition. Never did, actually. :dunce:

Like I said later on, I do think using N2's for street cars would in itself be more realistic (since S2's are WAY too grippy for most street/sports cars, and equipping street/sports cars with those by default is another slightly less-than-smart decision from the GT4 designers, at least if you're claiming to make a "real driving simulator".. which it isn't.)

But, as said, since this is supposed to be a stock car competition, I also understand the idea of keeping it all completely stock. So that's what I did for those particular 200-pointers. (More recently added this one too: "Ford RS200 '84 vs. Subaru Impreza Rally Car '03 200 A-spec" at Swiss Alps Hard, btw. Not a standard car quite to my liking, that Ford has a tendency to snap sideways rather quickly a bit too much.)
 
Saleen S7 Club - Race: Special Stage Route 5
Car: Saleen S7 '02 (S1 tires, new, no oil change) / FR / 550HP / 1250kg / 2.273kg/HP / 73 A-spec points by GTsail290

Easy win at SS Rt 5 once you come to grips with your lack of grip!:) Perfectly clean race on fourth try. No wall riding. I bought a new Saleen for this race (they command quite a price, but I would not mind one in my driveway), since my other Saleen was all banged up:guilty: from tying to win 200 point races, plus it was loaded up with all the modifications that were available. The Saleen has 558HP at the garage screen. I intend to run the other four tracks this weekend.

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Saleen S7 Club - All five race tracks
Car: Saleen S7 '02 (S1 tires, new, no oil change) / FR / 550HP / 1250kg / 2.273kg/HP / 73 A-spec points by GTsail290

Very easy races at El Capitan and Infineon. Large MOV.

Took four tries to get a clean lap at Suzuka. The other Saleens are difficult to pass cleanly, plus the Saleen just doesn't like this track.

Le Sarthe was done cleanly on the second try. I did not have a large MOV but the Saleen feels right at home on this track. I guess the Saleen was only meant for high speed tracks with few corners. The stock gearing is also just right for Le Sarthe. Even the S1 tires work well at Le Sarthe.

GTsail290
 
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Endurance races: Tsukuba 9hr


Car: Clio Renault Sport V6 24V '00 (S1 tyres, Used, No Oil)/ MR / 225HP/ 1335kg / 5.9kg/HP / 200 A-spec points by SuperCobraJet



NTSC/USA Lineup:

Nissan Skyline GT-R Vspec II `03
BMW 330i `05
Mazda RX-8 Type S (J) `03
Subaru Legacy B4 2.0 GT`03
Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A (FD)`02

492 laps complete at a time of 9:00'05.946
Fastest Lap: 1'03.594
Fastest unassisted lap: 1'03.868
MOV: 4 laps (2nd. RX-7)
Started on S1's, switched to S2's after first pitstop. (about 1sec faster per lap).
God what a boring track for a 9hr race. It should pay a lot more than 150,000cr.
 
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I realise that Smallhorses hasn't updated post 1 in a while but based on the latest update (12 May 09) these following races have no points yet.

  1. Special Conditions: Whistler Ice Race (reverse) : Normal difficulty
  2. Special Conditions: Chamonix Rally (reverse) : Easy difficulty

  3. BMW Series 1 Trophy GVS
  4. BMW Series 1 Trophy Infineon
  5. BMW Series 1 Trophy Motegi

  6. Chevrolet : Vette! Vette! Vette! : Seattle 1
  7. Chevrolet : Vette! Vette! Vette! : Laguna 2
  8. Crossfire Trophy: Race 2 - Twin RingMotegi

  9. Honda Civic: Motegi
  10. Honda Civic: Deep Forest
  11. Honda Civic: Autumn Ring Mini
  12. Honda Civic: Midfield

  13. Mazda Club "RE" : Race 5 Suzuka

  14. MB SL Challenge : Apricot Hill

  15. Nissan March Brothers - GVS

  16. Nissan Club Z : Race 1 New York
  17. Nissan Club Z : Race 2 Tokyo Rev
  18. Nissan Club Z : Race 4 Laguna
  19. Nissan Club Z : Race 5 GVS Rev

  20. Nissan Silvia Sisters: Race 1 Tsukuba
  21. Nissan Silvia Sisters: Race 2 SSR 5
  22. Nissan Silvia Sisters: Race 3 Fuji '90

  23. Suzuki K-car cup : Tsukuba

  24. Toyota Vitz: Fuji Speedway
  25. Toyota Vitz: Tsukuba

  26. Volkswagen Beetle Cup Race 3
  27. Volkswagen Beetle Cup Race 4

And the combined A-specs achieved are 78,365.

AMG.
 
European Hall: British GT Series race 1 - Grand Valley
Car: TVR Griffith 500 '94 (Used, no oil) / FR / 308HP / 1060kg / 3.4kg/HP / 200 A-spec

European Hall: British GT Series race 2 - Fuji
Car: TVR Griffith 500 '94 (Used, no oil) / FR / 308HP / 1060kg / 3.4kg/HP / 200 A-spec

European Hall: British GT Series race 3 - El Capitan
Car: TVR Griffith 500 '94 (Used, no oil) / FR / 308HP / 1060kg / 3.4kg/HP / 200 A-spec

European Hall: British GT Series race 4 - Infineon
Car: TVR Griffith 500 '94 (Used, no oil) / FR / 308HP / 1060kg / 3.4kg/HP / 200 A-spec

European Hall: British GT Series race 5 - Midfield
Car: TVR Griffith 500 '94 (Used, no oil) / FR / 308HP / 1060kg / 3.4kg/HP / 200 A-spec

Against lineup #2. A walk in the park until the last race. I was brutalized repeatedly on that long, uphill straight..


Professional Hall: Turbo race 5 - Midfield
Car: Toyota Supra RZ '97 (6.2m used, no oil) / FR / 336HP / 1510kg / 4.5kg/HP / 200 A-spec

Such a pretty car..:drool:
 
I realise that Smallhorses hasn't updated post 1 in a while but based on the latest update (12 May 09) these following races have no points yet.

  1. Special Conditions: Whistler Ice Race (reverse) : Normal difficulty
  2. Special Conditions: Chamonix Rally (reverse) : Easy difficulty
  3. BMW Series 1 Trophy GVS
  4. BMW Series 1 Trophy Infineon
  5. BMW Series 1 Trophy Motegi
  6. Chevrolet : Vette! Vette! Vette! : Seattle 1
  7. Chevrolet : Vette! Vette! Vette! : Laguna 2
  8. Crossfire Trophy: Race 2 - Twin RingMotegi
  9. Honda Civic: Motegi
  10. Honda Civic: Deep Forest
  11. Honda Civic: Autumn Ring Mini
  12. Honda Civic: Midfield
  13. Mazda Club "RE" : Race 5 Suzuka
  14. MB SL Challenge : Apricot Hill
  15. Nissan March Brothers - GVS
  16. Nissan Club Z : Race 1 New York
  17. Nissan Club Z : Race 2 Tokyo Rev
  18. Nissan Club Z : Race 4 Laguna
  19. Nissan Club Z : Race 5 GVS Rev
  20. Nissan Silvia Sisters: Race 1 Tsukuba
  21. Nissan Silvia Sisters: Race 2 SSR 5
  22. Nissan Silvia Sisters: Race 3 Fuji '90
  23. Suzuki K-car cup : Tsukuba
  24. Toyota Vitz: Fuji Speedway
  25. Toyota Vitz: Tsukuba
  26. Volkswagen Beetle Cup Race 3
  27. Volkswagen Beetle Cup Race 4
...

AMG.

AMG - I thought I would kick things off to get everyone started:

Nissan Silvia Sisters: Race 1 - Tsukuba
Car: Nissan Silvia K's S13 '91 (S2 tires, used, no oil change) / FR / 184HP / 1170kg / 6.359kg/HP/ 64 A-spec points by GTsail290

Nissan Silvia Sisters: Race 2 - Special Stage Route 5
Car: Nissan Silvia K's S13 '91 (S2 tires, used, no oil change) / FR / 184HP / 1170kg / 6.359kg/HP / 52 A-spec points by GTsail290

Nissan Silvia Sisters: Race 2 - Fuji Speedway '90
Car: Nissan Silvia K's S13 '91 (S2 tires, used, no oil change) / FR / 184HP / 1170kg / 6.359kg/HP / 49 A-spec points by GTsail290

Nice clean races. I have found that the A-spec points vary quite widely depending upon the lineups you face. I was offered anywhere from 30 points to 72 points.

GTsail290
 
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