Student Denied Diploma, Fined $1,000 for Feather

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So that's the "land of 'freedom'" for you. Fining a student and taking away diploma for wearing a ****ing feather?? Really???
 
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The contract states, "Students and staff shall not wear extraneous items during graduation exercises unless approved by the administration."
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End of discussion, I would think. Although details are completely lacking on this contract thing. Especially the thousand dollar fine part.
 
It's a private school so I really have no problem with the diploma part, although the fine seems excessive.

Also, here is an article that actually shows the girl and feather.
 
Jet Badger
So that's the "land of 'freedom'" for you. Fining a student and taking away diploma for wearing a ****ing feather?? Really???
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Freedom doesn't mean you do whatever you want, whenever and wherever you want. The school has a dress code for graduation and she was given fair warning and broke the rules. Just because it wasn't offensive to anyone doesn't mean it's ok. Whether you agree with the level of the penalty is another matter.
 
I get she was wearing the required uniform and only had a feather on top of that? I cannot possibly imagine how someone could get fined for that.
 
If christian was wearing a gold cross this wouldn't happen because it is a religious item.
 
Jet Badger
I get she was wearing the required uniform and only had a feather on top of that? I cannot possibly imagine how someone could get fined for that.
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Because the feather isn't the issue. Replace the feather with anything and it stands the same.

The issue is that she asked for permission to do something, and she was told she didn't have it. She was also told that if she did it anyway, they would pull her out of the ceremony. She was then asked to sign a contract promising to not do it, and she both refused to sign it and did it anyway.
 
This is a ceremony. There is a dress code. If you want to deviate from said dress code, you must inquire first and be approved. She did inquire but didn't get the answer she wanted. She rebelled, didn't sign the contract, deviated from the dress code and is now upset that she's been fined? Add in the Native American (or African American, etc.) bit and you have a media frenzy.

Pay the damn fine (which I'm betting doesn't happen) and move on.

Edit: Treednadoooooo!
 
TB
This is a ceremony. There is a dress code. If you want to deviate from said dress code, you must inquire first and be approved. She did inquire but didn't get the answer she wanted. She rebelled, didn't sign the contract, deviated from the dress code and is now upset that she's been fined? Add in the Native American (or African American, etc.) bit and you have a media frenzy.

Pay the damn fine (which I'm betting doesn't happen) and move on.

Edit: Treednadoooooo!
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This. I believe the term is "Shooting ones self in the foot."
 
I feather? A feather? What the 🤬 That's no worse than wearing flashy glasses! I think people should be encouraged to wear little things like that at their graduation, that way everyone doesn't look the same. I like that she wore the feather; it probably looked pretty cool and allowed her to acknowledge her heritage. It seems ridiculous that they didn't let her wear it.
 
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Beeblebrox237
It seems ridiculous taht they didn't let her wear it.
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It's more ridiculous that they told her she couldn't and said she would be punished if she did, and now she's raising a stink about how unfair it is that they are following through with that punishment.
 
Ridiculous or not, they wrote the rules and she broke'em. And now the school is forced to deal with her.

I don't agree with the $1000 fine though.
 
Okay, she broke the rules. But were those rules sensible in the first place? I understand that it's a conservative fundamentalist tradition to wear funeral clothes at every event but how does that work on one of the happiest occasions in your life? Good thing we don't have such nonsense here, but if I was in her shoes I would've done the same.

If your 'ownners' don't want to listen to anything you say, spit in their face and think with your own head for once.
 
Jet Badger
But were those rules sensible in the first place?
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That doesn't matter, she agreed to them when she enrolled at a private school.

Also, what do you wear during graduation ceremonies?

Edit: Just checked your age, your posts make sense now...
 
It's a silly rule, but it's a rule and she broke it. Not really much of a news story.

The fine seems a bit excessive, but the school isn't denying her the diploma. Just charging her a fine for violating dress code before she can receive it.
 
So much trouble over a feather? I mean, come on... I was wearing jeans when I got my "Folkeskole diploma", last year - no big deal.

Though, I didn't - and wasn't supposed to sign any dress code.

"Ramer stated she asked the Headmaster at the time for permission to wear the eagle feather.

"She told us we could not wear our feathers," said Ramer."
- Okay, why even wear it when the HM already stated they weren't allowed?
 
Private school is private school. Hell, even in public schools, if you do something that is expressly forbidden during graduation, they're very open about denying you a diploma. Nothing to see here.
 
Jet Badger
Good thing we don't have such nonsense here, but if I was in her shoes I would've done the same.
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You would have asked permission to do something to stand out at an event with a dress code; then gone out of your way to do it anyway after being told you couldn't, later raising a stink about how you were discriminated against when punished accordingly?
 
For one we don't have a dress code of any sort. I wore a white shirt and dark jeans. Of course you would be frowned at if you came with adidas trainers but no one would ask you for money, put you behind bars or take away your documents for doing that.

How is my age relevant here? Can't those people just be happy for that girl's graduation? Nooo, she broke some rule by wearing a FEATHER, it wasn't Darth Vader's helmet nor was she wearing a hockey mask and carrying a chainsaw on the stage. Just a damn feather. You people amaze me....
 
Jet Badger
For one we don't have a dress code of any sort. I wore a white shirt and dark jeans. Of course you would be frowned at if you came with adidas trainers but no one would ask you for money, put you behind bars or take away your documents for doing that.

How is my age relevant here? Can't those people just be happy for that girl's graduation? Nooo, she broke some rule by wearing a FEATHER, it wasn't Darth Vader's helmet nor was she wearing a hockey mask and carrying a chainsaw on the stage. Just a damn feather. You people amaze me....
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Whether or not it was offensive is beside the point.

The point is, there was a rule, she broke it.

Say the school charges $1,000 for littering, and students claim that it's tradition and good luck to throw rice up in the air during their graduation. They ask if they can, are told they can't, and decide to do it, anyway.

Is it wrong for the school to still charge the students $1,000 for littering?

Much like GTPlanet, the school is a private institution. Freedom of speech and/or expression are limited specifically by the contract you sign to enter therein. It might seem "unreasonable" for us here to issue infractions to someone here for typing 🤬, even if it is in jest, but we have rules, and that's that.
 
TB
Which tells me one of three things. Either you don't have a dress code, jeans are part of one you do have but weren't aware of or no one cared enough to call you out on it.
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Looking on photos from the day, shows that I wasn't the only one in jeans. I think that suggests, we didn't have any official dress code back then. Jeans could, however, be a part of an unofficial one, but I really don't know for sure. Anyway, I didn't really care much, as I just wanted to get it over with :dopey:.
 

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