Tesla Master Plan: Part Deux

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Tesla sales falling off is less a sign of a boycott and more about the lineup being old at this point and competition catching up, while X continues to be used by politicians who oppose Musk. As much as I'd love to see all his businesses fail, people have no spine and won't commit to the boycott.
 
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Tesla sales falling off is less a sign of a boycott and more about the lineup being old at this point and competition catching up, while X continues to be used by politicians who oppose Musk. As much as I'd love to see all his businesses fail, people have no spine and won't commit to the boycott.
They’ve already got 200,000 juniper orders in China after FSD went viral there.

People boycotting Tesla are full of ****. They have the best product on the market and still have the highest margins of anyone. They’re gonna be fine.

People who are mad at Doge should take their anger out on the people that spent other peoples money, not at Elon for literally volunteering to find waste and abuse (and not being told no). Everyone’s just shorting the stock to make a quick buck. It’s all a bunch of crap.
 
They’ve already got 200,000 juniper orders in China after FSD went viral there.

People boycotting Tesla are full of ****. They have the best product on the market and still have the highest margins of anyone. They’re gonna be fine.

People who are mad at Doge should take their anger out on the people that spent other peoples money, not at Elon for literally volunteering to find waste and abuse (and not being told no). Everyone’s just shorting the stock to make a quick buck. It’s all a bunch of crap.
I didn't realize Cybersecurity, National Parks, USAid, ATC, & other beneficial forms of government were "waste & abuse" whilst lying about how much is actually saved is nothing to be mad at him for.
Rubio wasn’t the only one who got into it with the DOGE czar. Secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy also got heated over Musk’s efforts to shrink the federal workforce, and accused him of trying to fire air traffic controllers. His accusation comes amid a national shortage of the highly essential workers, and following several high-profile plane crashes.

Suck his boot harder.
 
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They’ve already got 200,000 juniper orders in China after FSD went viral there.

People boycotting Tesla are full of ****. They have the best product on the market and still have the highest margins of anyone. They’re gonna be fine.

People who are mad at Doge should take their anger out on the people that spent other peoples money, not at Elon for literally volunteering to find waste and abuse (and not being told no). Everyone’s just shorting the stock to make a quick buck. It’s all a bunch of crap.
This is like someone wearing an Omnis suit
 
This is like someone wearing an Omnis suit
Why? "More cuts, more better" aligns pretty well with my attitudes about government, historically. I would feel the same way if it were Bill Ackman or someone else in there making recommendations instead. Gotta hand it to Elon for not giving a flying F about what people think about him, even if it's negatively affecting his public business (Something I'm very not happy about, to be clear.). I suppose his play could be to drive down the stock price as much as possible to either buy more shares or take it private like his other companies. People have done crazier things.

I guess you could look at it another way, like a vote of confidence that the company will be just fine even if he goes completely persona non grata to half the population.
 
Why? "More cuts, more better" aligns pretty well with my attitudes about government, historically. I would feel the same way if it were Bill Ackman or someone else in there making recommendations instead. Gotta hand it to Elon for not giving a flying F about what people think about him, even if it's negatively affecting his public business (Something I'm very not happy about, to be clear.). I suppose his play could be to drive down the stock price as much as possible to either buy more shares or take it private like his other companies. People have done crazier things.

I guess you could look at it another way, like a vote of confidence that the company will be just fine even if he goes completely persona non grata to half the population.
Lmao, he absolutely cares what people think about him.

This man was paying people to play video games for him just so he could go on Twitter & Joe Rogan to boast about how he's a Top 10 Diablo/POE II player in the world for no other reason than to look cool to the gaming community. It is the same reason he offered to help with the cave rescue, astronauts, & world hunger; he wants people to like him & think he's this super cool guy.
 
to boast about how he's a Top 10 Diablo/POE II player in the world
And he actually is so bad at it that it doesnt take a world level player to see his fraud.
It only requires a single day of interest in playing the game from any previously completly uninformed person to see how stupid he is.
 
Gotta hand it to Elon for not giving a flying F about what people think about him, even if it's negatively affecting his public business (Something I'm very not happy about, to be clear.).
I actually think the thing that make Elon Musk so embarrassing to watch is precisely because he so transparently just wants to be one of the cool kids. You don't buy a social media company and become its public facing dictator because you don't care what people think of you.
 
Actually, yeah, when you put it that way, you guys are totally right. Haha. Such a weird dude.

Maybe he thought Kanye was actually cool and followed him off the deep end
 
I actually think the thing that make Elon Musk so embarrassing to watch is precisely because he so transparently just wants to be one of the cool kids.
"If someone is going to try and blackmail me with advertising? Blackmail me with money? Go 🤬 yourself. : D"

> mugs to the audience and repeats himself because he didn't get the laughs he expected and assumed they just didn't hear him

> later sues several companies for not advertising on Twitter
 
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They’ve already got 200,000 juniper orders in China after FSD went viral there.
So, the issue here coming back to this, is that many of the orders are refundable which now means very little until the actual vehicles are in customer hands. Remember, the Cybertruck reportedly hit 1,000,000 pre-orders, but they were all refundable & it's obvious 1,000,000 of them have not been produced. More and more photos come out of them just sitting in lots.

Saying they'll be fine is a stretch when they're losing significant numbers in multiple markets. Shareholders will take note of this.
  • Tesla sales in Germany plunged by 59.5% in January 2025 and 76.3% in February.
  • In Australia, the EV maker’s deliveries dropped 65.5% in the first two months of 2025.
  • Tesla’s February 2025 sales in China fell 49.16%, signaling a market share decline.

Claiming they have the best product on the market is also just not true. Tesla has had build quality issues for years, the Cybertruck ignored actual engineering concerns in favor of what Elon wanted, & the Chinese EV market is probably the strongest at the moment due to heavy competition amongst them & they seem to have reputable build quality/value according to those who deal with them. It's been interesting to read that Chinese-built Teslas are apparently even better products than American-made Teslas b/c the market is so fierce that they can't afford to throw out cars suffering from issues like panel & paint imperfections, b/c they're just churned out here.
 
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Just saw this. Actually, my daughter made me aware of it during her car spotting on the way home from school. I haven’t seen rebadges yet.
 
Actually, yeah, when you put it that way, you guys are totally right. Haha. Such a weird dude.

Maybe he thought Kanye was actually cool and followed him off the deep end
I think both of them have realised that being loud, obnoxious and controversial gets you lots of attention, and they both crave it. Just like how social media algorithms are designed to increase "engagement metrics" by promoting content that makes people angry.

I also get what you mean; they certainly posture as if they don't care what you think of them, I'm just not buying it for a second :lol:
 
Just saw this. Actually, my daughter made me aware of it during her car spotting on the way home from school. I haven’t seen rebadges yet.
I think some people care way too much about what others think about their choice in vehicles. The vast majority of the public (at least in the UK) don't give a damn what you drive and those that do are pretty unlikely to even mention it to you let alone do anything to the car, especially when it's covered in cameras. I'd assume Australia isn't all that different but maybe I'm wrong and people are more tribal about it over there.

I won't be buying another Tesla in the future, but I'm also not in a hurry to get rid of mine early when it's on 0% interest and has a few years left on the finance. It's still a really good car as a daily driver!
 
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Not that changing the badge from a very identifiable car would make it less valuable as a target for those who do target Tesla.
It still is a Tesla and always will be.
It's similar to "up-badging" a car - Those who care about it will know the truth regardless, those who don't care won't know what it means anyway. If you want to show that you're not an Elon fan there are stickers that are much easier to add and remove!
 
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I think some people care way too much about what others think about their choice in vehicles. The vast majority of the public (at least in the UK) don't give a damn what you drive and those that do are pretty unlikely to even mention it to you let alone do anything to the car, especially when it's covered in cameras. I'd assume Australia isn't all that different but maybe I'm wrong and people are more tribal about it over there.

I won't be buying another Tesla in the future, but I'm also not in a hurry to get rid of mine early when it's on 0% interest and has a few years left on the finance. It's still a really good car as a daily driver!
I think it's more about preventing vandalism than anything else.
 
I think it's more about preventing vandalism than anything else.
Except Teslas are pretty recognizable and widespread, so doing that is like putting novelty Groucho Marx glasses on the front and hoping nobody will figure it out. If anything, it's probably drawing more attention to them as people are more likely to spot the discrepency and point it out.
 
I think some people care way too much about what others think about their choice in vehicles. The vast majority of the public (at least in the UK) don't give a damn what you drive and those that do are pretty unlikely to even mention it to you let alone do anything to the car, especially when it's covered in cameras. I'd assume Australia isn't all that different but maybe I'm wrong and people are more tribal about it over there.

I won't be buying another Tesla in the future, but I'm also not in a hurry to get rid of mine early when it's on 0% interest and has a few years left on the finance. It's still a really good car as a daily driver!
Other than what my daughter saw, I don’t think that’s a thing here. However, Mustang and Raptor took over top spots from MX-5 and HiLux, respectively. So there’s that. People buy just about any car that’s on the market. From cheap falling apart Chery cars to Great Wall utes to one million Aussie bucks Purosangue. Between that it’s how long is the warranty.
Not that changing the badge from a very identifiable car would make it less valuable as a target for those who do target Tesla.
It still is a Tesla and always will be.

Edit: Had a quick Look while typing this post.

New Zealand
 
Except Teslas are pretty recognizable and widespread, so doing that is like putting novelty Groucho Marx glasses on the front and hoping nobody will figure it out. If anything, it's probably drawing more attention to them as people are more likely to spot the discrepency and point it out.
Possibly. Though I think if someone is keen enough to know what Teslas look like & sees an owner changing the badge, I'd like to think they'll cut the owner some slack knowing the current climate. Truth to be told, I think all Tesla owners should be cut some slack & left alone.

Except maybe Cybertruck owners. They know that thing was only built to satisfy 1 man's ego & they still gleefully took delivery of it.
 
My future father-in-law has just taken delivery of a Model Y Performance and he was kind enough to take me out in it and demonstrate some of the acceleration. Goodness me, that's a whole new frame of reference for how a car gets down the road. So now, despite the negative connotations at this time, I'm convinced I should get a used Model 3 Dual Motor with the Performance upgrade for my daily and put plans for a fun car on ice. As much as I'm a car sound guy, that acceleration is calling me as much as never having to worry about using a clutch in tailback traffic again.

I see a lot of twerps on Facebook who are staunchly anti-EV for political reasons, but they're the ones missing out. These things are brilliant.
 
Most people that actually drove or rode in EVs can attest to them being simply superior in daily use for 99% of people. The problem appears to be getting people to actually try them instead of peddling misinformation that's running rampant. That being said, you can get an EV that's not a Tesla. The BMW i4 M50 is damn rapid too if you're looking for something in the Model 3's segment.
 
superior in daily use for 99% of people. The problem appears to be getting people to actually try them
Lack of charging infrastructure is a legitimate problem for far more than 1% of people. Here in the UK estimates are that around half of people cannot charge at home, so if the charging infrastructure in your area or region is poor, this objectively makes ownership less convenient. I've run cars on 4*/LRP and LPG before, it's not really any different - having to go out of your way to do something so well evolved for the majority of cars is a strong negative to me.
 
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My future father-in-law has just taken delivery of a Model Y Performance and he was kind enough to take me out in it and demonstrate some of the acceleration. Goodness me, that's a whole new frame of reference for how a car gets down the road. So now, despite the negative connotations at this time, I'm convinced I should get a used Model 3 Dual Motor with the Performance upgrade for my daily and put plans for a fun car on ice. As much as I'm a car sound guy, that acceleration is calling me as much as never having to worry about using a clutch in tailback traffic again.
Before you do, try literally any other EV. We have so many that do a lot more, and a lot better, at the same price point (and less).

Of the various dozens I've driven now, the Kia EV6 GT is my favourite (sibling Ioniq 5N is quicker, but I'm not taken by the looks and while it's very good it feels just a smidge more like there's some day-to-day compromises in order to make more fast) and the MG4 my least.

Most people that actually drove or rode in EVs can attest to them being simply superior in daily use for 99% of people. The problem appears to be getting people to actually try them instead of peddling misinformation that's running rampant. That being said, you can get an EV that's not a Tesla. The BMW i4 M50 is damn rapid too if you're looking for something in the Model 3's segment.
I've said for yeeeeears that most people use most cars as appliances, and most cars are. Nobody can sit there and with a straight face say that the diesel B- and C- hatches and CUVs dotting 90% of the driveways if you look out of a European house window, driven from home to work to school to supermarket to home are anything but appliances and couldn't be replaced for 90% of their use by an electric car plugged in once a week, saving the bang juice for the cars that make fun noises.

But people have got used to swinging by a supermarket and topping up the tank (in five minutes) every two weeks, and as @MatskiMonk notes, a lot of us can't do it at home and there's not enough high-power options out and about. I did a trip round the Lakes in the 5N a couple of weeks back and if I wanted 7kW and 11kW chargers I was probably okay, but they add 30 miles of range an HOUR.

At times, the nearest charger capable of adding a comfortable quantity in a sensible time (but at 76p/kWh, so about the same as super unleaded in my wretchedly uneconomical CX-7) was a quarter-battery away (unless I turned round and went back 25 miles). Although in the end I didn't need it as the tyre exploded and, lacking spares because of the weight (can't jack it up as the cornerweights are too high for a collapsible jack) and the cut being too big for the tyre goop to deal with, got ferried back home on a flatbed which struggled up the hills because heavy.

The Lakes is an extreme example of chargerlessness, but then again I live basically next to the North York Moors and that's not much better!

We have an electric car - a UX300e - and charger at home, so we're actually pretty set for EV stuff. I don't mistake that for everyone's experience though.
 
Before you do, try literally any other EV. We have so many that do a lot more, and a lot better, at the same price point (and less).

Of the various dozens I've driven now, the Kia EV6 GT is my favourite (sibling Ioniq 5N is quicker, but I'm not taken by the looks and while it's very good it feels just a smidge more like there's some day-to-day compromises in order to make more fast) and the MG4 my least.


I've said for yeeeeears that most people use most cars as appliances, and most cars are. Nobody can sit there and with a straight face say that the diesel B- and C- hatches and CUVs dotting 90% of the driveways if you look out of a European house window, driven from home to work to school to supermarket to home are anything but appliances and couldn't be replaced for 90% of their use by an electric car plugged in once a week, saving the bang juice for the cars that make fun noises.

But people have got used to swinging by a supermarket and topping up the tank (in five minutes) every two weeks, and as @MatskiMonk notes, a lot of us can't do it at home and there's not enough high-power options out and about. I did a trip round the Lakes in the 5N a couple of weeks back and if I wanted 7kW and 11kW chargers I was probably okay, but they add 30 miles of range an HOUR.

At times, the nearest charger capable of adding a comfortable quantity in a sensible time (but at 76p/kWh, so about the same as super unleaded in my wretchedly uneconomical CX-7) was a quarter-battery away (unless I turned round and went back 25 miles). Although in the end I didn't need it as the tyre exploded and, lacking spares because of the weight (can't jack it up as the cornerweights are too high for a collapsible jack) and the cut being too big for the tyre goop to deal with, got ferried back home on a flatbed which struggled up the hills because heavy.

The Lakes is an extreme example of chargerlessness, but then again I live basically next to the North York Moors and that's not much better!

We have an electric car - a UX300e - and charger at home, so we're actually pretty set for EV stuff. I don't mistake that for everyone's experience though.

I do too many miles per annum to consider a lease, so it will be a £15,000 used purchase with less than 100,000 miles. A lot of bang for the buck and whenever I've been in an Model 3, I've enjoyed the cabin ambience/tech suite.
 
Before you do, try literally any other EV. We have so many that do a lot more, and a lot better, at the same price point (and less).
They don't have FSD though. I was kind of wary to begin with, but once you're in a car and let it drive, and it does things that you would have done when you would have done them, like it was reading your mind, then you'll wonder why all cars don't do that. It's kind of a surreal experience, but I haven't had a poor experience yet (like someone's video of a snail-paced collision of a Tesla and another car during an ASS maneuver).

If you're not in an area like tri-county South Florida where you can't drive the range of the vehicle without passing hundreds of superchargers, then you ought to be looking at PHEV. Harry Metcalfe did a great job explaining why he went back and forth and eventually settled on PHEV transport as it gets you the best of both worlds. Ideally, my garage would look like a Tesla/FSD vehicle as a transportation appliance and a large comfortable easy-to-maintain PHEV or highway crusier as a 2nd vehicle/road tripper.
 

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