Texting, then assulting ex cop, during movie equals death.
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Slightly Off Topic.
Cops shoot a guy in the back when he had his hands up.
The cops claimed he was reaching for his "gun" and felt "threatened"
Video disproves what the cops said in their statements.
So why is it OK for a cop to lie on a police statement, but when you lie to a cop it is an offense?
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/20...-video-contradicts-police-account-of-shooting
Cops shoot a guy in the back when he had his hands up.
The cops claimed he was reaching for his "gun" and felt "threatened"
Video disproves what the cops said in their statements.
So why is it OK for a cop to lie on a police statement, but when you lie to a cop it is an offense?
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/20...-video-contradicts-police-account-of-shooting
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Was browsing Reddit and saw this post. Haven't verified any of it, but interesting if true. Author claims that if Detroit, New Orleans, Washington, D.C. and Chicago were not factored in the US would have the fourth lowest rate in the world. Of course you could say "removing London...etc.".
Also claims (the fun part here) that those cities have a) the most restrictive gun laws and b) have been run by Democrats for over 50 years.
Just adding some fuel here... :-)
http://pretentiouswizard.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-futility-of-gun-regulation.html
Hate to bring up an ugly fact, too, but we must admit that the police profession is extremely attractive to the bully-type mentality. (For all those non-logicians here I am saying that IF you are a bully, THEN you are attracted to being a cop. I am NOT saying that If you are a Cop, you are a bully.) Is it possible that this ex cop was just, well, a jackass of a wanker who was carrying around his service pistol as a proxy for his long-lost virility, and that he missed being on the force ordering people around and abusing them in the name if public good? Has anyone answered the query posed earlier as to whether he left service in good standing?
Also claims (the fun part here) that those cities have a) the most restrictive gun laws and b) have been run by Democrats for over 50 years.
Just adding some fuel here... :-)
http://pretentiouswizard.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-futility-of-gun-regulation.html
Hate to bring up an ugly fact, too, but we must admit that the police profession is extremely attractive to the bully-type mentality. (For all those non-logicians here I am saying that IF you are a bully, THEN you are attracted to being a cop. I am NOT saying that If you are a Cop, you are a bully.) Is it possible that this ex cop was just, well, a jackass of a wanker who was carrying around his service pistol as a proxy for his long-lost virility, and that he missed being on the force ordering people around and abusing them in the name if public good? Has anyone answered the query posed earlier as to whether he left service in good standing?
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Its a nice fantasy, but more and more, cops are being recorded doing heinously wicked attacks in record numbers, thanks to the camera addition to cell phones, and getting away with it using such thin lies as the one grayfox expresses.
More often than not, no serious repercussion come back to these cops that are executing people on the streets, mafioso style. For a lot more examples, this video has been making the rounds. , check it out and go do some solid research.
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A 71-year-old retired US police captain expressed shock at his own actions after fatally shooting a fellow moviegoer in a row over texting, a bail hearing has heard.
Curtis Reeves was watching Lone Survivor at a cinema in Tampa, Florida on January 13 when he started berating victim Chad Oulson, 43, about using his phone during the movie.
"Do you mind, I've got a voicemail from by babysitter," Mr Oulson said, according to a witness who spoke at Reeves's bail hearing yesterday.
"I'd like to check to see that my daughter is okay."
After more requests to stop using his phone, Mr Oulson got up and threw a small bag of popcorn at Reeves, said the witness, an off-duty police officer.
Almost immediately Reeves pulled out his gun and fired off a shot, the witness said.
"That was no cause to shoot anyone," the retired captain's wife was heard saying.
"You shut your ... mouth and don't say another word," he responded.
A lawyer for Reeves, who has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder, told yesterday's hearing that he acted in self defence, arguing that Mr Oulson committed battery by throwing the bag of popcorn at the older man.
Reeves's 40-year-old daughter also testified as a character witness for her father, describing him as a family man who went to church every Sunday.
Throughout the hearing the accused sat at the defence table in civilian clothes with no handcuffs but did not speak.
The bail hearing continues tomorrow.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/02/07/06/46/ex-cop-kills-moviegoer-over-texting-at-cinema
Curtis Reeves was watching Lone Survivor at a cinema in Tampa, Florida on January 13 when he started berating victim Chad Oulson, 43, about using his phone during the movie.
"Do you mind, I've got a voicemail from by babysitter," Mr Oulson said, according to a witness who spoke at Reeves's bail hearing yesterday.
"I'd like to check to see that my daughter is okay."
After more requests to stop using his phone, Mr Oulson got up and threw a small bag of popcorn at Reeves, said the witness, an off-duty police officer.
Almost immediately Reeves pulled out his gun and fired off a shot, the witness said.
"That was no cause to shoot anyone," the retired captain's wife was heard saying.
"You shut your ... mouth and don't say another word," he responded.
A lawyer for Reeves, who has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder, told yesterday's hearing that he acted in self defence, arguing that Mr Oulson committed battery by throwing the bag of popcorn at the older man.
Reeves's 40-year-old daughter also testified as a character witness for her father, describing him as a family man who went to church every Sunday.
Throughout the hearing the accused sat at the defence table in civilian clothes with no handcuffs but did not speak.
The bail hearing continues tomorrow.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/02/07/06/46/ex-cop-kills-moviegoer-over-texting-at-cinema
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Previews are still free time. People are mulling around, trying to find their seats, getting up for one last visit to the bathroom before the show starts, and perhaps chatting about who's got to make the run back outside for more popcorn. It's not nice, and it's against theater rules to use your phone during the preview, but it's not as big a faux pas as slurping your soup at dinner.
Granted, I love watching previews myself, but generally, you wait till the opening credits start rolling before you complain about an idiot on his phone, oblivious to the roar of the THX intro drowning out his call.
Granted, I love watching previews myself, but generally, you wait till the opening credits start rolling before you complain about an idiot on his phone, oblivious to the roar of the THX intro drowning out his call.
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Humanity is the savagest animal. Why in the holy concievable hell would I shoot someone for throwing a bag of popcorn at me?
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You are watching your sodium intake
You are watching your fat intake
You are a diabetic and throwing popcorn may cause a reaction
You are allergic to corn and may go into anaphylactic shock
Some reasons people may have running in their heads.
But the way he spoke to his wife
"You shut your ... mouth and don't say another word,"
Kinda says i know i just over reacted and killed someone, but like all cops i will plead not guilty
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Of course he's going to plead not guilty.
He's being charged with murder. Murder requires intention to kill.
As you say, his actions after the shooting indicates that he has realized that he has just killed someone, over-reacting to a thrown popcorn container.
That he sat, shocked at what he had done, letting other people take the gun away and expressing disbelief, indicated that he didn't intend to kill the other guy. He just pulled out and shot on instinct.
That's what the defense will go for, at least... they might try to push for "stand your ground", but that would be over-reaching... depending on what the CCTV tape shows.
On the prosecution side, they'll be pushing the story that he was carrying inside the theater in defiance of the posted regulations, that he was confrontational and provoked the other man, and that he directly caused the incident by starting a fight. Witness testimony is key to this.
I think the defense can bring this down to involuntary manslaughter. Possibly. But no way is he being let off scot-free under "Stand Your Ground", not from what the witnesses are saying.
He's being charged with murder. Murder requires intention to kill.
As you say, his actions after the shooting indicates that he has realized that he has just killed someone, over-reacting to a thrown popcorn container.
That he sat, shocked at what he had done, letting other people take the gun away and expressing disbelief, indicated that he didn't intend to kill the other guy. He just pulled out and shot on instinct.
That's what the defense will go for, at least... they might try to push for "stand your ground", but that would be over-reaching... depending on what the CCTV tape shows.
On the prosecution side, they'll be pushing the story that he was carrying inside the theater in defiance of the posted regulations, that he was confrontational and provoked the other man, and that he directly caused the incident by starting a fight. Witness testimony is key to this.
I think the defense can bring this down to involuntary manslaughter. Possibly. But no way is he being let off scot-free under "Stand Your Ground", not from what the witnesses are saying.
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There is something to be learned here for everyone. If your gonna act like a thug, your probably gonna be shoot like one as well. It doesn't matter that it was popcorn, he made a disrespectful and threating move to the wrong person. The man who got shoot was the aggressor, and he paid the ultimate price for it.
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Thank you. Someone had to do it.
I think some of you need to watch the video of the incident. It wasn't the guy simply tossing a bag of popcorn. He got up from his seat, walked to where the guy was sitting, stood over the 70+ year old man drew back and side armed the bag of popcorn into his face.
In my opinion any person in there 40s that would do that to a 70 year old man got what he deserved.
I think some of you need to watch the video of the incident. It wasn't the guy simply tossing a bag of popcorn. He got up from his seat, walked to where the guy was sitting, stood over the 70+ year old man drew back and side armed the bag of popcorn into his face.
In my opinion any person in there 40s that would do that to a 70 year old man got what he deserved.
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Who was acting like a thug here though? The guy checking up on his daughter, or the guy telling his wife to shut the hell up and sit down after shooting someone for throwing popcorn?
The worst part about this case is that it will be fuel for the gun control crowd and sadly, they may have a point with this one...
It's still just popcorn, the worst that could happen would be blindness and perhaps some minor burns. Neither of which are going to kill you which means deadly force is not ok.
Also, physical age means nothing, in this case I would say both acted with the mental age of a 5 year old.
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Age makes all the difference in this case. What was the 70 year old to do? He wasn't physically going to defend himself from a much stronger and younger man. He used what was available to him and give him his best chance to not be hurt. The aggressor didn't just throw the popcorn and walk away either he stayed in the mans face until he was shot. Who knows what the guys next move was, that's anyones guess and the old guy decided he needed to end the situation.
As for his actions after the shooting its completely understandable, in his police days he never shot anyone, so naturally hes going to question what he just done, just like every officer who shoots someone.
The guy getting up from his seat was acting like a thug, (badass, tough guy, whatever), why else would he get up and slam his popcorn in a 70 year old mans face? If that would of been someone his age and size I bet he would of stayed in his damn seat and not tried to be a thug.
As for his actions after the shooting its completely understandable, in his police days he never shot anyone, so naturally hes going to question what he just done, just like every officer who shoots someone.
The guy getting up from his seat was acting like a thug, (badass, tough guy, whatever), why else would he get up and slam his popcorn in a 70 year old mans face? If that would of been someone his age and size I bet he would of stayed in his damn seat and not tried to be a thug.
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All he needed to do was buy himself 30 seconds or so to get away, a punch on the nose could have bought him that time.
Unless you have some other video, you can't tell where he was standing and the whole thing happened in seconds. Even if he was standing there, standing by someone has never killed anyone.
You still haven't demonstrated how deadly force was justified in this case.
Maybe because the guy was antagonizing him? Don't get me wrong, the guy deserved a punch or something, shooting him was definitely going too far though.
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