The 2017 F1 driver transfer discussion/speculation threadFormula 1 

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It's the same point I've said all along, so no I dont believe it's the point your making, since you've said Lando is ready. And I've said exactly what I just bolded from your last post. That extends to the series/championships as well.

It really doesn't extend much beyond that, the driver is the champion not the series, being a higher tier series really doesn't ensure a higher tier driver, look at Palmer for example.
 
It really doesn't extend much beyond that, the driver is the champion not the series, being a higher tier series really doesn't ensure a higher tier driver, look at Palmer for example.

No one is saying it ensures, but it does create more experience, the only better step is being a test/reserve driver in waiting for a full time seat. Palmer is also a pay driver too, and spent 4 seasons in GP2, he was never going to be champion material, he test drove and reserved at two teams, and has had a season in f1 already. Yet still drives about no better than Stroll who is a Rookie...not sure how this example, is anywhere close once again an outlier.
 
I'm just stating my reasons why i think his ready I don't really want to back and forth anymore it's pointless.
 
Palmer....still drives about no better than Stroll...

I think Stroll found his feet in Canada although the "home track" effect shouldn't be ignored. I'd like to see him keep that performance level up, it's good for Williams and good for the sport. Palmer... I've never rated him (initially on his stupid name) and I just don't see the improvement in racecraft although his quali times appear to be reaching the car's max potential at last.

Kubica says he wants a full return to F1 and I can see Renault being interested in that, but it's sponsorship dependant even before you get to considering any physical restrictions. I'm willing to bet that we'll see Kubica replace Palmer :)
 
I think Stroll found his feet in Canada although the "home track" effect shouldn't be ignored. I'd like to see him keep that performance level up, it's good for Williams and good for the sport. Palmer... I've never rated him (initially on his stupid name) and I just don't see the improvement in racecraft although his quali times appear to be reaching the car's max potential at last.

Kubica says he wants a full return to F1 and I can see Renault being interested in that, but it's sponsorship dependant even before you get to considering any physical restrictions. I'm willing to bet that we'll see Kubica replace Palmer :)

It should when he's never driven it prior. After Sunday and Saturday more so, I changed my mind on Stroll some. Palmer is now even more lowly rated by me because he was a whole 2 seconds off the pace in quali of his team mate. I mean in past seasons a driver being 2 seconds off another would have been due to the car, not the same car. That's impressively bad.

Kubica wont get it, they have a driver contracted to the team already in the young Russian. And that's not counting how out of shape Kubica probably is for this new formula and would need to get many things together to be ready. One decent test doesn't mean much.
 
Palmer is now even more lowly rated by me because he was a whole 2 seconds off the pace in quali of his team mate. I mean in past seasons a driver being 2 seconds off another would have been due to the car, not the same car. That's impressively bad.

:confused: He was almost 0.9 slower in Q2 than Hulkenberg. That's a sizable gap, sure, but it's not 2 seconds.
 
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:confused: He was almost 0.9 slower in Q2 than Hulkenberg. That's a sizable gap, sure, but it's not 2 seconds.

At one point during broadcasting I saw him off by 2 seconds so it might have been a bad lap that he then turned around. But I do recall seeing that split, never said it was the final result. Either way being a full second slower while better isn't that much better.
 
At one point during broadcasting I saw him off by 2 seconds so it might have been a bad lap that he then turned around. But I do recall seeing that split, never said it was the final result. Either way being a full second slower while better isn't that much better.
You can only compare like for like. So Q1 vs Q1 ect. Palmer is much worse this year but I wonder how much of that is the difference between the Hulk and KM?
 
I think Sainz is a likely choice for McLaren.....Red Bull have no where for him to go and he's got enough races under his belt, to warrant a progression from the B team. In saying that, he has made a of un-Sainz moves this year.
I'm not too sure what spot opens up for Alonso to go to., or if the money is there in another team. He's only going if he can win.....that means Bottas' spot is the only possibility and Mercedes seems very happy with their number 2 driver. Wehrlein is next in line there anyway...isn't he?
 
I think Sainz is a likely choice for McLaren.....Red Bull have no where for him to go and he's got enough races under his belt, to warrant a progression from the B team. In saying that, he has made a of un-Sainz moves this year.
I'm not too sure what spot opens up for Alonso to go to., or if the money is there in another team. He's only going if he can win.....that means Bottas' spot is the only possibility and Mercedes seems very happy with their number 2 driver. Wehrlein is next in line there anyway...isn't he?
Mclaren have to prove themselves again even with a Mercedes engine for it to be worth it for him, Force india and Williams would also be sideways moves imo, atleast at STR he will pretty much be assured of a redbull seat if Ric or Max decides to leave and TBH it doesn't look too far away either, Two seasons tops I see that lineup unchanged if next years car doesn't have a title push.
 
Regarding Alonso...I think there are three options. I personally see Ricciardo/Kimi/Bottas seats all open if he really wants one of those. Red Bull is treating Max as the wunderkind and Ricciardo hasn't really been on par this season, Kimi isn't really getting work done on the level of Vettel, and Bottas - while very competent may not be Hamilton/Vettel level.

Force India is where I'd put the best of the rest at the moment, but an unlikely seat for Alonso.
 
Regarding Alonso...I think there are three options. I personally see Ricciardo/Kimi/Bottas seats all open if he really wants one of those. Red Bull is treating Max as the wunderkind and Ricciardo hasn't really been on par this season, Kimi isn't really getting work done on the level of Vettel, and Bottas - while very competent may not be Hamilton/Vettel level.

Force India is where I'd put the best of the rest at the moment, but an unlikely seat for Alonso.
At this point I can not see Ricciardo leaving Redbull unless it's his choice, sure he hasn't been the most impressive but he is doing the job on Sundays.
 
And normally I'd agree with you if it wasn't Alonso shopping for a seat. I'd just imagine almost any seat in the paddock is technically open if Alonso brings the name, the championships, and the money he can probably generate.
 
Alan Permane says that Kubica has the pace to justify another test:

http://www.speedcafe.com/2017/06/16/renault-kubica-showed-pace-f1-test-return/

It's far from a race seat, but you do have to wonder if this is another shot across Jolyon Palmer's bow.

Kubica wont get it, they have a driver contracted to the team already in the young Russian.
I do have to wonder if Kvyat's presence makes life difficult for Sirotkin - if his sponsors want a Russian driver in Formula 1, are they quite content to leave him where he is so long as Kvyat has a race seat?
 
You can only compare like for like. So Q1 vs Q1 ect. Palmer is much worse this year but I wonder how much of that is the difference between the Hulk and KM?

I don't know compared KM to a driver that many would rate as good as Hulk, like Grosjean. You can't just compare Q1 v. Q1 since they had Q2 times and Palmer is a second off the pace. Stroll vs. Massa was about the same difference in time as Palmer v. Hulk. That's highly disappointing considering one is a rookie to never race in Canada and the other has done it quite a few times and isn't a rookie.
Alan Permane says that Kubica has the pace to justify another test:

http://www.speedcafe.com/2017/06/16/renault-kubica-showed-pace-f1-test-return/

It's far from a race seat, but you do have to wonder if this is another shot across Jolyon Palmer's bow.

This was the point I was trying to make, while he may have had a decent time, standard procedure is to give a few more test to make sure the speed is there consistently

I do have to wonder if Kvyat's presence makes life difficult for Sirotkin - if his sponsors want a Russian driver in Formula 1, are they quite content to leave him where he is so long as Kvyat has a race seat?

What does that have to do with Kvyat do they sponsor both? And if so where are they on the STR cause they don't show up? If it did matter why have there been multiple drivers from Russia at the same time in feeder series?
 
I'm sure Kubica has ruled himself out of ever returning to Formula One but it sure is a thinly veiled threat to see Renault testing other drivers and enjoying their speed.
 
I'm honestly surprised they didn't do something like this sooner. Palmer could barely keep up with Magnussen; he was never going go be a threat to Hülkenberg.
 
I'm sure Kubica has ruled himself out of ever returning to Formula One but it sure is a thinly veiled threat to see Renault testing other drivers and enjoying their speed.

He claims to have "a plan in his mind" and that he feels he's at the level he was before. I suspect he's potentially faster than Palmer even if he's not back to optimum pre-accident strength/mobility.

Renault don't even seem to be veiling their comments now - Palmer has to start scoring les points, and tooty-sweety. Reuters.
 
Renault and Kubica are still talking about his test:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/130189/kubica-can-drive-f1-car-without-limitations

Make of it what you will.
That he can add delusional mind state to the nerve damage that means he cannot operate the controls mounted on the steering wheel as he could before his accident?

There is no one I'd rather see back on the grid but if Renault what to replace Julie Anne there are other options. Alonso maybe....
 
That he can add delusional mind state to the nerve damage that means he cannot operate the controls mounted on the steering wheel as he could before his accident?
Renault evidently feel that it's not an issue since they've invited him back for more. And it's not like he's been sitting around for six years doing nothing - he's done Le Mans and the World Rally Championship.
 
Renault evidently feel that it's not an issue since they've invited him back for more. And it's not like he's been sitting around for six years doing nothing - he's done Le Mans and the World Rally Championship.
His ability to grip the wheel is not the issue. Braking is not the issue. Accelerating is not the issue. Changing gear is not the issue. Nerve damage is the issue. It doesn't repair itself.
 
His ability to grip the wheel is not the issue. Braking is not the issue. Accelerating is not the issue. Changing gear is not the issue. Nerve damage is the issue. It doesn't repair itself.

Yes it does. It's slow but with the right diet and physio it does. Source: Had my hand nearly severed five years ago. Am playing keys again (best 9-fingered pianist you ever saw ;) ).
 
If accessing certain controls on the wheel is an issue for Kubica, I'm certain Renault can customise the wheel layout to put the major controls on his good side.
I think Palmer has had it now, he doesn't look like scoring points and if he tries to go too much faster I fear we'll have another Maldonado on the grid.
 
If accessing certain controls on the wheel is an issue for Kubica, I'm certain Renault can customise the wheel layout to put the major controls on his good side.
I think Palmer has had it now, he doesn't look like scoring points and if he tries to go too much faster I fear we'll have another Maldonado on the grid.

I think you're underestimating how much stuff is on a modern f1 steering wheel
 
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