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No, the channel is not a source of solid evidence. No context is provided, the source's motives are profit driven, no third party sources are provided to be able to verify its content and the vast majority of the material is pro-police.
I dislike the channel as a source of evidence, period.
Cut the passive aggressive attitude.
Odd, as the sources I provided also contained statistics, and within them links to more data and statistics, I've even quoted those statistics directly in post as well.
Where have you seen "equal handling to all colors"?
The statistical data of police interactions in the US shows that black males are more than twice as likely to die at the hands of the police than a white male, yet they are half as likely to be carrying a gun at the time. You dismiss race as a cause of this, so it's quite reasonable to ask why you dismiss it as a cause and what you think the cause is.
I agree, but that's not the point you made. You said they were the real problem in regard to violence in the US, I asked you why and that has not been addressed. Every country has gangs and ghettos, yet the US is almost unique in regard to its level of gun violence, so what makes US gangs and ghettos unique in that regard?
That's not context. who had a weapon ready, what was the case. Provide us with the details, ideally with a credible source so we can look into it ourselves.
To be honest. I really don't care what you think about me, and that's not unique to you either. I have no control over
Indeed, but the point is to recognize them and address them, not embrace them.
That's a start.
I know, you have now said that a number of times. The question is why did they, and why did them not stop and readdress the situation?
I have ASD, so no I don't always pick up on it.
Let's look at your opening post in this discussion, and even removing the biased language you used in general terms we get this:
"As for Floyd... he would have died anyways without the police help. He had foam around his mouth and was screaming of breathing problems way before being pinned down. I don't have any sympathy towards him. A criminal buried in a golden casket and cities got burned... disgusting."
'he would have died anyway'
'i don't have any sympathy for him'
'a criminal buried in a golden casket'
'disgusting'
In this opening salvo you removed any blame from the police, blamed the victim and referenced the utterly unrelated point of his past life. I hate to break it to you, but that's defending the murder of George Floyd and defending police brutality.
It's only since members in this thread have challenged you on this that you have started to walk it back.
You missed that before they pinned him down they ignored an individual in clear distress, a point that he repeatedly and politely said to them, a point that the passenger in his car repeatedly and politely told them. Something that you hand wave away as being 'really annoying' was in fact a quite clear indication that he was not alright. That cause of him being in distress is also irrelevant, and the police's go to action for being annoyed should not be brute force and dangerous restraint.
The fact of the matter is that George Floyd was in fact apologetic to the police, respectful (referring to them as Mr. Officer and Sir repeatedly) , clearly fearful of his life (please don't shoot me was said multiple times), clealry in distress and altered. Points they ignored and just tried to stuff him in the car.
I would suggest you read the full transcript from the police bodycams, which supports all of the above, and clearly shows a man in distress, who regardless of any past crimes or suspected crimes, was willfully failed by the police, and failed repeatedly.
BodyCam Transcript.
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...b81216735f2203a08cb/optimized/full.pdf#page=1
He didn't need to be pinned in the first place, they failed to de-escalate the situation, they failed to provide medical attention when they knew they couldn't find his pulse, they made conscious decisions over the course of minutes that resulted in the death of a human being. A human being you said you had no sympathy for and described simply as a 'criminal'.
It also came to light in yesterdays evidence that the officers did block a trained EMT from assisting...
"Genevieve Hansen, a trained emergency medical technician (EMT) and Minneapolis firefighter, said she identified herself as a first responder and demanded officers check his pulse when she saw George Floyd on the ground.
Hansen then called 911 to report what she saw.
Hansen lives within walking distance of Cup Foods and was taking a walk the evening of May 25, 2020. When she approached the corner, she saw the police lights and heard a woman across the street screaming they were killing him.
She was concerned by what she saw. “He wasn’t moving, and he was cuffed. And three grown men putting all of their weight on somebody is too much,” she said. “The first thing that concerned me was his face was smushed into the ground. Swollen. It appeared swollen to me.”
She noticed that Floyd had an altered level of consciousness and wasn’t moving despite Derek Chauvin’s knee on his neck.
Her main focus was how she could gain access to the patient or direct offers to provide treatment, she testified.
“I already assessed that he had an altered level of consciousness what I needed to know was whether or not he had a pulse anymore,” she said.
She identified herself as a firefighter to former officer Tou Thao, who said if she was really a firefighter she would know better than to get involved.
Hansen never saw officers take a pulse, but she could not entirely see all four of them. "
...they dismissed a trained first responder, who may well have been able to save George Floyds life, or at the very least give him a chance. A trained professional, who clearly saw he was in distress and in danger was ignored!
https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/derek-chauvin-trial-day-two-testimony/index.html
I'm sick and tired of you twisting my words and accusing me of supporting police brutality and murder.
And you did it again with the trained professional that was offduty and was not identified on video as one.
I wish I was better with english to describe better what I want to say, but at this moment I don't see a point of arguing with you. You just don't want to understand that I do not support... ah, how many more times should I repeat that?
From the very start you started to act towards me as if I'm supporting police brutality!
Here you assumed that I was talking about Floyd being the dangerous criminal that had to be liquidated. I clearly wasn't talking about him. I was talking about a gunman scenario.
Here you assumed that I am freaking fascist and racist!
Here you are twisting my words and assuming that my decision will be to shoot everyone!
Here was my spelling mistake. I didn't put the "not" in "not perfect" meaning that yes, I know the police is not perfect and their mistakes can cost the lives of others.
And you instead of asking why my words were contradicting just assumed that I was justifying extra-judical murder by police!
And here you said that the evidence directly contradicted my claim when you later posted links with video and medical reports saying that he had lethal amount of drugs and the cause of death was combined efforts of the police and drugs and his health that support my claim.
And again you are trying to say that I justify this, when I am not!
I've had it with you, Scaff. This stupid argument is over.
I still demand an apology from you.
Excuse me? 15 year old?I just can't wrap my head around why a white 15 year old Estonian is riding so hard for the American police. This is a weird hill to die on mate.
You see, here's the problem. My original post just described my opinion. I have the right to do so. You guys jumped at me with accusations and you was the most aggressive escalating the situation and literally calling me a bootlicker. This is literally discrimination. I like the way the US police is dressed and what equipment they have. They fight dangerous people. I know they have flaws. And all this makes you hate me. You still is aggressive saying that I'm a 15 year old, when I've been on GTPlanet for 14 years and my age can be seen in my profile!
And during the whole argument I was trying to defend myself from accusation, not riding hard about the police. And why you bring my color in to this? And nationality? You and Scaff are British, so why you here then?
I didn't expect that this is going to be such a dumpster fire.
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