The American Muscle Championship
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** NOTICE:
Goix' has been running some extensive testing on the Shleby and feels that it has been over penalized; I'm inclined to agree.
If there are no objections, I'm going to increase the credit allowance for parts either effective immediately or fro the halfway point and onwards.
Feedback is most welcome.
Goix' has been running some extensive testing on the Shleby and feels that it has been over penalized; I'm inclined to agree.
If there are no objections, I'm going to increase the credit allowance for parts either effective immediately or fro the halfway point and onwards.
Feedback is most welcome.
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- Jump_Ace
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I would agree, when we did our testing Nat, if memory serves, this was THE car that was most consistent no matter what track or scenario. I would recommend perhaps only incrasing the HP amount as it already handles GREAT for a muscle car. If u need some testing to be done, the BC5 will be over for me on Tuesday so I"ll be free, only if u need.
jump_ace
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Took the Cuda out for a few photosessions and got a lil camera happy at the Drag Strip. But hey, if he wants, Jump_ace has a logo for the season long drag race now 
Ahh, Las Vegas, perhaps the most dramatized city in the United States.
Just started. Had to make it a horizontal picture and rotate it to get it right.
Taken just after the second photo. I wanted an aerial view of the Cuda on the strip.
just before the finish line. Note the 00.65 on the timer... weird.
Just crossed the finish line. Not a new fastest time, but who cares, it was a photo run.
This is still Vegas, I just brightened the picture and had to look at it for awhile. It looks more like a painting than a photo IMO.
First picture at Infineon. I like how it shows the body rolling, pretty much sums up what everyones car is feeling ^_^
Umm no comment. We'll just settle with the cameraman decided to run into traffic and he's currently recovering quite well in the infield care center. Still no idea where is camera went to, so no more pictures for now.
Ahh, Las Vegas, perhaps the most dramatized city in the United States.
Just started. Had to make it a horizontal picture and rotate it to get it right.
Taken just after the second photo. I wanted an aerial view of the Cuda on the strip.
just before the finish line. Note the 00.65 on the timer... weird.
Just crossed the finish line. Not a new fastest time, but who cares, it was a photo run.
This is still Vegas, I just brightened the picture and had to look at it for awhile. It looks more like a painting than a photo IMO.
First picture at Infineon. I like how it shows the body rolling, pretty much sums up what everyones car is feeling ^_^
Umm no comment. We'll just settle with the cameraman decided to run into traffic and he's currently recovering quite well in the infield care center. Still no idea where is camera went to, so no more pictures for now.
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darkwindTook the Cuda out for a few photosessions and got a lil camera happy at the Drag Strip. But hey, if he wants, Jump_ace has a logo for the season long drag race now
Nice pics
I sent Nat some pics already for the two season long races, Laguna, and Infineon.
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bhawk776
LEADERBOARD: WEEK 1
I see that you, Koly, have awarded everyone with money for week 1 results. Is this money available after the halfway point, or is it like the WRS leaderboard just using money instead of points?
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1897665&postcount=117
Unfortunately, no ... I would have LOVEd to have allowed this money to be available for parts and the likes, but try as I might, it only seemed to make the fast even faster and the slow even slower ...
We're using 'money' instead of 'points' ... just because it seems to fit in with the 'Muscle' ethos a little more.
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Perhaps then, you should invert it.
The top people can only afford a flywheel but the people at the bottom can afford better tires.
The top people can only afford a flywheel but the people at the bottom can afford better tires.
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Casio
If some person decides to do that, it would be a very poor choice.
And I'm not talking about morals.
Lets say some person gets 3rd to last each of the first 4 races, and then after that is able to afford better tires.
Lets even say that the top three people don't even buy anything after the fourth race.
At best the hustling person will tie the top runners the next 4 races, thus proving to be a crappy strategy. The top will always be at the top unless you make drastic changes. Look at veilsidebr in the JGTC. He had insane amounts of penalty weight and still kicked my butt. It's because he put more time into it and is a better driver.
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I'd love to be able to give out extra money, to be honest, and maybe now things are up and running we *could* reverse the money amounts to give the guys at the bottom more money ... I'll see what the general feedback is first, though ... I don't want to be upsetting the balance on anything here.
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I'm in the middle of the AMC pack...I'm the slowest in a '69 Vette...right where I should be given that I'm in the middle of WRS D3. I've come to terms with my driving abilities....I'm still havin' fun. Which is the main thing. I guess I have no opinion about a cash awards system. As you know I feel pretty strongly that slower cars (Shelby) should be allowed more money (as long as it doesn't go the opposite direction) to be competitive so I guess by the same process slower drivers should be allowed more money?....I suppose the theoretical goal is that all drivers in all cars finish with the exact same lap time? So I'll go ahead and put the RSS tires and NOS on my car and submit my times! j/k I feel pretty comfortable that you'll do something fair for everybody...you have my suport whatever you decide to do.Kolyana
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I'd like to propose a couple of adjustments and rule changes, some to be implemented immediately, some late on. I really value your feedback on these guys:
1) Bottom half/third (your call) of the field can change their parts for the next race if they wish. You can't change your car week-to-week, but if you fall in this lower band, you can change your parts (staying within the money allocation). This allows someone who learns that they screwed up and would have been better off with something else to maybe be a little more competitive the following week.
2) Either less money for the C3 or more money for *most* other cars, in order to narrow the field a little. This or maybe implementing rule#1 will be enough to allow people to drop their HP and perhaps go with a wiser choice of non-HP parts.
3) More non-HP parts for the Shelby from week 4 onwards *OR* shall we give it more *NOW* because no one is driving it?
Thoughts?
1) Bottom half/third (your call) of the field can change their parts for the next race if they wish. You can't change your car week-to-week, but if you fall in this lower band, you can change your parts (staying within the money allocation). This allows someone who learns that they screwed up and would have been better off with something else to maybe be a little more competitive the following week.
2) Either less money for the C3 or more money for *most* other cars, in order to narrow the field a little. This or maybe implementing rule#1 will be enough to allow people to drop their HP and perhaps go with a wiser choice of non-HP parts.
3) More non-HP parts for the Shelby from week 4 onwards *OR* shall we give it more *NOW* because no one is driving it?
Thoughts?
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Kolyana
Does it matter unless you allow one day for people to do a car change. I played with it the first night my brother helped me set up my cuda and the 350R isn't great unless it had more mods you all realize its a stock vehicle it has some power but it only feels like a gutless one legger 289. If you look at the parts for the car they arn't that great. I think the 350R should get like MAYBE an exhaust and more non-hp money. At the halfway mark you should let people in the top half of the field switch settings not cars unless they switch to the 350R because it was so horrid when I tested it.
Bryan
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Kolyana
1)I think the bottom half of the field should be allow to change parts (not cars) this week.
2) The C3 appears to be a little behind the Cuda and Superbird, so maybe drop money allowed for these two instead of the C3
3)I haven't tested the Shelby but everyone that has thinks it's behind the rest of the field, so I'm all of adding extra money for it. If you need help testing to figure out how money to allow I'd be glad to help.
it appears that people have already made car changes
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- Hawk-Solo
Kolyana
IMO, if car changes are allow every two weeks then some might decide to run with the Superbird and Cuda at some point during the season. The season long race leaderboard will then be dominanted by these two cars as well as the weekly races, unless changes are made for these two cars.
Just my
#1 ~ I can agree with, as this might be just like in Real, ya find out that ya messed something up, ya not going to go out there with the same set up, ya going to try to work better with what ya can.
#2 and #3 ~ I can't really comment on cause I am not that great of a driver to begin with, and what I can do in a car is way different than what Nat and Jump and do in the same car and set-up.
#2 and #3 ~ I can't really comment on cause I am not that great of a driver to begin with, and what I can do in a car is way different than what Nat and Jump and do in the same car and set-up.
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We could always just ban the Cuda and Bird, their would still be 10 other cars left....
Or leave it how it is, it doesn't really matter that they will beat everything, I bet a lot of people will not choose them on principle that they are the fastest car, I know it won't be. I'm going to be sticking with my Superbee (Because no one else has it, I like to be different)
It's not like we're playing for sheep stations, if I come 3rd or 23rd, it's still the same level of fun!
Or leave it how it is, it doesn't really matter that they will beat everything, I bet a lot of people will not choose them on principle that they are the fastest car, I know it won't be. I'm going to be sticking with my Superbee (Because no one else has it, I like to be different)
It's not like we're playing for sheep stations, if I come 3rd or 23rd, it's still the same level of fun!
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I think everyone is missing the two major factors here: Driver Skill, part choices.
I'm a crappy driver, I admit that, but I know what I'm doing when I tune a car. When I setup my Cuda, I bought parts that focused on acceleration. I passed up the LSD for a driveshaft and flywheel, and my times reflect that I didn't put much or any consideration into handling.
I say that instead of letting people change cars, let them change parts, and require that at least two parts be changed.
Koly went to great lengths to setup this series. I don't car where I finish, as long as I took this opportunity to pick a car, set it up within a budget, and throw it around 9 tracks and a dragstrip, and have fun doing it in a car I like.
I'm a crappy driver, I admit that, but I know what I'm doing when I tune a car. When I setup my Cuda, I bought parts that focused on acceleration. I passed up the LSD for a driveshaft and flywheel, and my times reflect that I didn't put much or any consideration into handling.
I say that instead of letting people change cars, let them change parts, and require that at least two parts be changed.
Koly went to great lengths to setup this series. I don't car where I finish, as long as I took this opportunity to pick a car, set it up within a budget, and throw it around 9 tracks and a dragstrip, and have fun doing it in a car I like.
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Oops...sorry. It seemed that opinion was leaning toward allowing me to drive the Shelby so I took it for a spin...before I got the official green light.
1. I agree with changing car and/or parts once during the season. Not necessarily that it had to wait until week 4. If someone didn't have enough time to test and hopped into a car they shouldn't be punished for 4 weeks. I don't think people should be allowed to change parts every week....but that's because of the administrative headache to Koly....but if she's OK with it... Maybe we should be allowed to change cars once and then the parts on that car if you find that your initial selection sucks? If I were to stay with the Vette the entire season I would stick with my current parts selection unless I were granted additional money.
2. I don't think it's fair to take anything away from any of the cars....only to add to the other ones or maybe devise some sort of time penalty system to try to equalize the field.....but both those options would require some serious thought to come up with something that everybody thought was fair.....In my research for a future series I'm thinking of proposing, I've been struggling with this same issue. I've feel with near certainty that the Vette with 396HP and the same weight/power ratio is a better car than the Shelby with 365HP and that same weight/power ratio. The conclusion that I'm coming to is that HP and weight/HP ratio needs to be the same (which means that weight also has to be the same) for the cars to be as close to equal as possible and even then there are other factors(...trannies for one). About the only way to do this is by running a series in arcade mode where you have minute HP & wt adjustments both up and down...with parts you have to struggle to find the right combination to get to a specific HP target. With arcade you unfortunately lose the ability to tweak the settings. I think in cars of this level you lose the ability to adjust the tranny in arcade mode...I think only race cars have tranny adjustments in arcade mode.
3. You know how I feel about the Shelby....I began lobbying for more money before the series even began.
I'm sorry I jumped the gun on switching to the Shelby. I'll wait until I get official approval. My times are going to be better in the Vette anyway. I guess I thought noone would mind if I moved to an inferior car. I've already decided I'm changing at week 4. I'll wait till then if necessary.
1. I agree with changing car and/or parts once during the season. Not necessarily that it had to wait until week 4. If someone didn't have enough time to test and hopped into a car they shouldn't be punished for 4 weeks. I don't think people should be allowed to change parts every week....but that's because of the administrative headache to Koly....but if she's OK with it... Maybe we should be allowed to change cars once and then the parts on that car if you find that your initial selection sucks? If I were to stay with the Vette the entire season I would stick with my current parts selection unless I were granted additional money.
2. I don't think it's fair to take anything away from any of the cars....only to add to the other ones or maybe devise some sort of time penalty system to try to equalize the field.....but both those options would require some serious thought to come up with something that everybody thought was fair.....In my research for a future series I'm thinking of proposing, I've been struggling with this same issue. I've feel with near certainty that the Vette with 396HP and the same weight/power ratio is a better car than the Shelby with 365HP and that same weight/power ratio. The conclusion that I'm coming to is that HP and weight/HP ratio needs to be the same (which means that weight also has to be the same) for the cars to be as close to equal as possible and even then there are other factors(...trannies for one). About the only way to do this is by running a series in arcade mode where you have minute HP & wt adjustments both up and down...with parts you have to struggle to find the right combination to get to a specific HP target. With arcade you unfortunately lose the ability to tweak the settings. I think in cars of this level you lose the ability to adjust the tranny in arcade mode...I think only race cars have tranny adjustments in arcade mode.
3. You know how I feel about the Shelby....I began lobbying for more money before the series even began.
I'm sorry I jumped the gun on switching to the Shelby. I'll wait until I get official approval. My times are going to be better in the Vette anyway. I guess I thought noone would mind if I moved to an inferior car. I've already decided I'm changing at week 4. I'll wait till then if necessary.
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- Jump_Ace
- JUMPxACE
KolyanaShoot, try playing Forza ... not one old car. Anywhere. At all. No muscle cars, nothing older than the 90's ... heck, maybe nothing older than the last 5 years
Actually, Kolyana when I borrowed my friends XBox and Forza and Bbinnell and I played we got to the Muscle Car section fairly quickly. If u look there is a muscle car race even. But still NOT better than GT4...except for the sound.
jump_ace
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Kolyana
It's no fun when you have little competition, I guess.
I think we should have the option of changing once, and that's it. I'm keeping my Vette just the way it is, and if for some reason you make new rules that delegate I have to change something, I won't
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