The Arrogance of an Elitist Player

[fastone371]

ORMA is a team and the second "name" is your own name and shows that you are a member from its team like, TX3, TRL, Oscaro, JIM, TC, VP, F4H, etc

Thank you TRL

 

[Stotty]

Currently I'd say yes , but it's so tight up there it's anyones guess and I respect them all in terms of performance. If I just managed my time a bit more and did maybe a bit less youtube and BOP testing I'd like to hope I could get back up there with those guys haha! I remember after 1 GT Academy it was me, Holl01 and Immortal fighting for top spot. Was a weird one though as it was a custom track and a GTR with SRF on but hey, fightings fighting haha!

Yes, Imortal was incredibly fast in race cars. Shame he was so arrogant. Not seen him around for a year or 2... but I think he was quite young, so maybe school/uni got in the way.

I saw a lot of Dan in GT5P and GT5 WRS’s. He was consistently the fastest driver around here at that time, and he still has a few incredible times today - I think he’s still top on the Nurb circuit experience.

SRF FFS!!

 

[Klaidheamhmor]

I've only had the game for two weeks but it seems like this kind of behavior goes on at every level. It really sucks too. I dropped from an S to an A sportsmanship rating the other day because I'm constantly getting rammed without grease from behind by other cars in corners during daily races. I will never be on the top of a leaderboard but I enjoy playing as cleanly and fairly as possible and too often people seem not to care about doing the same. I don't know if anything has changed with the penalty system in 1.16 either but as far as I can tell, it's pretty bad a lot of the time at recognizing fault.

 

[Venster]

Personally if I’ve come across an alien they’ve been very clean not had too much problem. But I usually give a faster driver at least a lap of defending (just one move to defend my line) maybe two laps if I had a bad one, if they really are constantly filling my mirrors i will defend less and let them pass and hope I can stick with them.

Me personally I’m not particularly fast, I’m a high ish DRA and got there from nothing more then consistency I think. So I come across faster drivers quite often, all I want is to be given respect, I give as much respect as I can to everyone I race against, all DRs, unfortunately I don’t receive the same but that’s from a range of different drivers and I certainly wouldn’t say aliens are arrogant at all in more cases than not. If I could race against everyone from here this game would be the best experience ever!

The biggest problem in this game is not arrogance it’s impatience!

 

[ASH32]

The biggest problem in this game is not arrogance it’s impatience!

Not that I'm an alien but this is a big issue too and even I'm guilty of it. I try not to do bad moves but sometimes I do and often it's because I know if I don't get past the guy in front quickly then I'm going to get bumped all over the place by the driver that is behind because this happens often to me. It's even worse when they bump you and get past, then I've got multiple, often slower cars, in front of me and the chance of another hit from behind is even greater because they see it as me holding them up, when in reality I'm just trying to set up a clean pass on the guy in front, which is impossible when two cars are battling each other so I have to wait but that doesn't stop people from trying to pass me and everyone else in one corner. That's why I'd much rather race the longer Race C races as the patience levels of others is a little higher and that helps me be a little more patient to.

 

[Venster]

I think we all are guilty of it at times, I’ve had exactly the same experience, for me this comes from frustration of me making a silly mistake! I’ll be honest sometimes I’m not very good at overtaking a slower driver, this to some might actually come over to some as arrogance from me ( I’m not an alien!!) I try to give as much space as possible but some aren’t on the same page perhaps to them it seems I’m trying to barge past? I’m really not just trying get on with my race.

At the end of the day this is a competitive game, which is exactly how I want it to be. Yes I want win but I want to feel like I earned that win and want to beat faster drivers!

This is a great game IMO, but if we all followed a few simple etiquette rules I can’t help but think that everybody’s racing experience would be better and we would have fantastic online racing!

 

[Tou2istTrophy]

Yes, Imortal was incredibly fast in race cars. Shame he was so arrogant.

Shame of you to speak down on someone like that...

Did he do something to you to make it okay to throw something like that out here?

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

Mind you, there is always the question... What is that MUCH faster driver doing behind you in the first place?

There are a surprisingly large volume of fast drivers who can't consistently stay on the track. These guys run all laps on the edge of control which gets them good pole positions but then they blow it and fall apart in the race usually acting frustrated that they can't easily pass "slower" drivers cleanly, not realizing that the rest of us are actually taking the presence of other cars into account during our laps.

 

[John Crellin]

This is a great game IMO, but if we all followed a few simple etiquette rules I can’t help but think that everybody’s racing experience would be better and we would have fantastic online racing!

the problem is that nobody is operating under the same rules. PD did nothing to explain what the rules are in their etiquette videos. So unless you have enough interest to research for yourself or previous knowledge of motorsport then how can we expect the average gamer to have any clue what is ok and what isnt?

 

[Tidgney]

@Tidgney is an example for everybody in this community on how to race properly. No ego. Fast but respectful. Doesn't jump on bandwagon and is never moaning about thing within the game, even if he disagrees.

Model racer and a true elite, alien, pro.

That's very kind ! Although I have moaned about fuel occasionally haha .

 

[Mr616]

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That's very kind ! Although I have moaned about fuel occasionally haha .

Only once or twice, and you quickly moved on once mentioned. Refreshing change

 

[adstomko]

You know when I said earlier that the 'elites' can also disrespect the other elites? Well here's the evidence to prove it...

Tonight on Daily Race B at Yamagiwa Gr3, this driver, who is part of a recognised team, couldn't handle the fact that he/she would lose his/her win because of a penalty. Just take a look at where the driver reduces his/her penalty, speeds up then slows down again (evidence from the brake lights), not to mention the position of the car on the racing line.



Then, in a later race, this happens after successfully defending the lead.




This is not only embarrassing for the driver, but also embarrassing for the team the driver races for.
There are a few drivers in that team that I have raced who have been super clean and super fast, and such actions from a driver unfairly damages the reputation of their teammates.

TIP for 'slower' drivers: Just because someone is top of the hot lap leaderboards doesn't mean that they will try to win cleanly and fairly. And, just because they can set the fastest hot lap doesn't mean they are good racers.

 

[mthomas_95]

This is not only embarrassing for the driver, but also embarrassing for the team the driver races for.
There are a few drivers in that team that I have raced who have been super clean and super fast, and such actions from a driver damages the reputation of their teammates.

Teams hate more than anything else having one guy spoil the reputation of everyone in that team, like the team which had drivers first exploiting the tyre wear reset glitch.

That said there are a some other guys in that team which are serial rage quitters or punt drivers for the offence of being ahead of them on track. Something they really need to stamp out before they get a reputation from event organisers as well as other top drivers.

 

[PirovacBoy]

You know when I said earlier that the 'elites' can also disrespect the other elites? Well here's the evidence to prove it...

Tonight on Daily Race B at Yamagiwa Gr3, this driver, who is part of a recognised team, couldn't handle the fact that he/she would lose his/her win because of a penalty. Just take a look at where the driver reduces his/her penalty, speeds up then slows down again (evidence from the brake lights), not to mention the position of the car on the racing line.



Then, in a later race, this happens after successfully defending the lead.




This is not only embarrassing for the driver, but also embarrassing for the team the driver races for.
There are a few drivers in that team that I have raced who have been super clean and super fast, and such actions from a driver unfairly damages the reputation of their teammates.

TIP for 'slower' drivers: Just because someone is top of the hot lap leaderboards doesn't mean that they will try to win cleanly and fairly. And, just because they can set the fastest hot lap doesn't mean they are good racers.

Wow, whilst the first incident isn‘t sooo unfair, maybe careless i‘d Say but the second Video is just beyond me. I have two of these team members on my friend list and we sometimes race in lobbies just for fun. And these 2 Guys are absolute top sportsman. Must be very embarrassing for them knowing to have such suckers in their team. I‘m still shocked

 

[mthomas_95]

Wow, whilst the first incident isn‘t sooo unfair, maybe careless i‘d Say but the second Video is just beyond me. I have two of these team members on my friend list and we sometimes race in lobbies just for fun. And these 2 Guys are absolute top sportsman. Must be very embarrassing for them knowing to have such suckers in their team. I‘m still shocked

That first one the more I look at it is very cynical. He clearly goes slower around the corner than normal then brakes just as @adstomko is directly close behind him on exit, way before necessary if you have a penalty and burning it off before the line. Considering he then punts him in a later race, I think it's safe to say that was calculated.

Also checked his Kudos and he has 50 poles from 50 races (set a new account moving to a new team most likely), so probably too used to winning working his DR up and now in the top lobbies he's throwing his toys out the pram because wins aren't as easy

 

[tofuhero]

the problem is that nobody is operating under the same rules. PD did nothing to explain what the rules are in their etiquette videos. So unless you have enough interest to research for yourself or previous knowledge of motorsport then how can we expect the average gamer to have any clue what is ok and what isnt?

And as I've mentioned before, PD does nothing to incentivize players to race cleanly and fairly with positive rewards; they only carry a very big stick and use it often. Giving cash or maybe SR bonuses for moment-to-moment things like "clean pass!" or "good pit exit!" would go a long way.

 

[Mikail Hizal]

Yes, Imortal was incredibly fast in race cars. Shame he was so arrogant. Not seen him around for a year or 2... but I think he was quite young, so maybe school/uni got in the way.

I saw a lot of Dan in GT5P and GT5 WRS’s. He was consistently the fastest driver around here at that time, and he still has a few incredible times today - I think he’s still top on the Nurb circuit experience.

SRF FFS!!

Immortal is far from being arrogant. Actually he's extremly nice in my opinion tho ^^
And yeah that's a shame that he isn't playing it yet but he will come back near in the future ^^

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

You know when I said earlier that the 'elites' can also disrespect the other elites? Well here's the evidence to prove it...

Tonight on Daily Race B at Yamagiwa Gr3, this driver, who is part of a recognised team, couldn't handle the fact that he/she would lose his/her win because of a penalty. Just take a look at where the driver reduces his/her penalty, speeds up then slows down again (evidence from the brake lights), not to mention the position of the car on the racing line.



Then, in a later race, this happens after successfully defending the lead.




This is not only embarrassing for the driver, but also embarrassing for the team the driver races for.
There are a few drivers in that team that I have raced who have been super clean and super fast, and such actions from a driver unfairly damages the reputation of their teammates.

TIP for 'slower' drivers: Just because someone is top of the hot lap leaderboards doesn't mean that they will try to win cleanly and fairly. And, just because they can set the fastest hot lap doesn't mean they are good racers.

I raced against this same player a few days ago at Interlagos and he/she was down in 5th so paused the game and rage quit whilst on the racing line where everybody else was accelerating out of the last corner, somehow everybody managed to avoid their car but it was an unsporting move.

 

[adstomko]

That first one the more I look at it is very cynical. He clearly goes slower around the corner than normal then brakes just as @adstomko is directly close behind him on exit, way before necessary if you have a penalty and burning it off before the line. Considering he then punts him in a later race, I think it's safe to say that was calculated.
@apiro
Also checked his Kudos and he has 50 poles from 50 races (set a new account moving to a new team most likely), so probably too used to winning working his DR up and now in the top lobbies he's throwing his toys out the pram because wins aren't as easy

@PirovacBoy It's quite clear the driver intentionally does this to catch me out. Think about it. He/She has a full straight to reduce penalty but instead reduces it on the exit of a corner. The driver uses brakes as soon as I am behind him/her. It's so obvious, and like @mthomas_95 says, even more clear after what the driver did later on. Seeing drivers crack like this only makes me laugh. I couldn't care if I lost a bit of DR from 75000. The laugh I got from it was totally worth it.

I raced against this same player a few days ago at Interlagos and he/she was down in 5th so paused the game and rage quit whilst on the racing line where everybody else was accelerating out of the last corner, somehow everybody managed to avoid their car but it was an unsporting move.

It doesn't surprise me. I find it hilarious when drivers cannot cope with losing a race because they cannot deal with drivers fighting with them.


Here's another example of a driver not respecting others around him:

 

[Nuschel01]

Here's another example of a driver not respecting others around him:

Not sure about this one, the M4 closed the door really late and forced the other driver really wide after I've made several passes like that at that corner and it's always the same that the guy I'm overtaking is forcing me on the grass on the inside.

 

[PirovacBoy]

That first one the more I look at it is very cynical. He clearly goes slower around the corner than normal then brakes just as @adstomko is directly close behind him on exit, way before necessary if you have a penalty and burning it off before the line. Considering he then punts him in a later race, I think it's safe to say that was calculated.

Also checked his Kudos and he has 50 poles from 50 races (set a new account moving to a new team most likely), so probably too used to winning working his DR up and now in the top lobbies he's throwing his toys out the pram because wins aren't as easy

You truely might be right with your assumption. When I watched the replay it was early in the morning right before heading to work. I only threw a a quick Sneak on it. I didn’t notice the brake lights on my small IPhone Screen. Watching it now, makes it absolutely obvious what his intentions were. That’s poor.

@PirovacBoy It's quite clear the driver intentionally does this to catch me out. Think about it. He/She has a full straight to reduce penalty but instead reduces it on the exit of a corner. The driver uses brakes as soon as I am behind him/her. It's so obvious, and like @mthomas_95 says, even more clear after what the driver did later on. Seeing drivers crack like this only makes me laugh. I couldn't care if I lost a bit of DR from 75000. The laugh I got from it was totally worth it.



It doesn't surprise me. I find it hilarious when drivers cannot cope with losing a race because they cannot deal with drivers fighting with them.


Here's another example of a driver not respecting others around him:

I agree. I always try to judge objective and like I mentioned, I hadn’t seen the brake lights at first. It looked like he was simply only reducing speed while not accelerating through the Corner. Whilst doing this on the racing line throughout the final Corner isn’t fair, but then right in the Moment you are behind him he brakes I guess trying to perform a brakecheck move with the intention to „award“ you with a penalty. Just pitiful.

 

[Crazy Taylor]

Its proper embarassing to that stuff happen. Its not what i would expect top drawer racer to behave like, let alone top tier team racers.

 

[JulesDennis]

Two words: Blue Flag.

Definition: A light blue flag, sometimes with a diagonal yellow, orange, or red stripe, informs a driver that a faster car is approaching and that the driver should move aside to allow one or more faster cars to pass.

Wrong.The blue flag informs the driver that a faster car is approaching and he should let him pass.That does not mean he has to do it by "moving aside" or "off the racing line" or even "off track".
The responsibility of a clean pass is mainly to the fast driver and the main responsibility of the lapped car is to make that pass easy for him.That can easily happen without "moving aside".

"Light Blue flag: This should normally be waved, as an indication to a driver that he is about to be overtaken. It has different meanings during practice and the race. At all times : – A stationary flag should be displayed to a driver leaving the pits if traffic is approaching on the track. During practice : – Give way to a faster car which is about to overtake you. During the race : – The flag should normally be shown to a car about to be lapped and, when shown, the driver concerned must allow the following car to pass at the earliest opportunity."

http://www.flagmarshal.com/blue/blue-for-drivers/

 

[adstomko]

Not sure about this one, the M4 closed the door really late and forced the other driver really wide after I've made several passes like that at that corner and it's always the same that the guy I'm overtaking is forcing me on the grass on the inside.

The same driver is known to be aggressive, make questionable moves and reduce penalties in questionable areas of the circuit. Watch towards the end of @Tidgney 's video of the Nations Cup at Interlagos.
The driver was too ambitious and it didn't pay off. Look how long he/she is on the brakes for after hitting apex. It's basically a divebomb. The driver was guaranteed to hit me at the hairpin anyway so it would've served an unfair penalty to myself. And the reaction afterwards says it all.

I agree. I always try to judge objective and like I mentioned, I hadn’t seen the brake lights at first. It looked like he was simply only reducing speed while not accelerating through the Corner. Whilst doing this on the racing line throughout the final Corner isn’t fair, but then right in the Moment you are behind him he brakes I guess trying to perform a brakecheck move with the intention to „award“ you with a penalty. Just pitiful.

That's exactly why I posted the video. The penalty could've been reduced at a later point on the straight, out of the way.
I look forward to seeing the driver creating a new account, again, so that he/she can start building up the win count before realising the driver is not as good he/she thinks, again.

 

[Nuschel01]

The driver was too ambitious and it didn't pay off. Look how long he/she is on the brakes for after hitting apex. It's basically a divebomb. The driver was guaranteed to hit me at the hairpin anyway so it would've served an unfair penalty to myself. And the reaction afterwards says it all.

It's still not clean racing from you imho...

 

[adstomko]

It's still not clean racing from you imho...

Only a little unclean on the exit of the corner, but that's because the driver has just divebombed and gained a position unfairly by using grass and braking far too late.
The driver got what he/she deserved and I already knew of his/her bad reputation before the race.

 

[Nuschel01]

Only a little unclean on the exit of the corner, but that's because the driver has just divebombed and gained a position unfairly by using grass and braking far too late.

Late braking is a thing in racing tho and he was on the grass because you forced him to

The driver what what he/she deserved

How should he learn that racing clean is a better thing if he's raced "dirty" with by others? If somebody wrecks me off I still try to be as clean as possible to him and try to get a good pass without wrecking him off or forcing him wide

 

[adstomko]

Late braking is a thing in racing tho and he was on the grass because you forced him to

How should he learn that racing clean is a better thing if he's raced "dirty" with by others? If somebody wrecks me off I still try to be as clean as possible to him and try to get a good pass without wrecking him off or forcing him wide

Late braking is certainly a thing in racing, but braking too late is a different matter.
I was already braking and starting to turn into the corner before he/she got anywhere near my side. Didn't force the driver on the grass at all.
The driver forced his/herself on the grass because the driver broke too late and realised the overtake was not available.

I'll say it again. My action on the exit of the corner wasn't that clean because the other driver made a dangerous/dirty move and gained an unfair advantage with the possibility of demoting my position, so the driver got what he/she deserved.

I would race clean too, but the driver made an illegal move. Put the driver back in 2nd

 

[Stotty]

The overtake at Brands is a proper dive bomb. No way he ever makes the apex - he's still fully on the gas well after the brake point.

I've raced that driver many times (under his old team tag), and I've never seen him do anything like that to me, or to anyone else though.

 

[NJ72]

Wrong.The blue flag informs the driver that a faster car is approaching and he should let him pass.That does not mean he has to do it by "moving aside" or "off the racing line" or even "off track".
The responsibility of a clean pass is mainly to the fast driver and the main responsibility of the lapped car is to make that pass easy for him.That can easily happen without "moving aside".

"Light Blue flag: This should normally be waved, as an indication to a driver that he is about to be overtaken. It has different meanings during practice and the race. At all times : – A stationary flag should be displayed to a driver leaving the pits if traffic is approaching on the track. During practice : – Give way to a faster car which is about to overtake you. During the race : – The flag should normally be shown to a car about to be lapped and, when shown, the driver concerned must allow the following car to pass at the earliest opportunity."

http://www.flagmarshal.com/blue/blue-for-drivers/

You're contradicting yourself.

Your definition clearly says "Allow the following car to pass at the earliest opportunity". This means, leave the racing line to let them pass - not "carry on, they'll sort themselves out"

I'm sorry, but your understanding of the blue flag is incorrect.

Also, I never stated it means "move off the track". It means leave the racing line - when safe to do so - or maintain the line if in a corner.