The bad and the ugly.

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G T Allegerita
I could also stop reading where it says you live in Florida because what do americans know about car physics? You dont believe me? Then believe Jeremy Clarckson or compare the crap you drive in to what we have.
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What do Americans know about physics? I really don't know. What American are you talking to? There are over 300 million. Some don't know squat. Some can wrap their little finger around more physics concepts than you or I combined.

I don't know where you are from but tell me how many sub 100,000 dollar cars have come close to the ZR1 on the Ring? Mind you the ZR1 did the lap on STOCK tires and still beat a 700,000 dollar Italian supercar. If you want to bring Jeremy Clarkson(which I find odd as he has no racing experience, not a whole lot of automotive experience outside of the show, but is mostly just a tv personality with a moderate amount of driving experience. If you're basing your opinion on him alone it shows you really don't know much about cars aside from hear-say) into it, don't forget that Top Gear voted the ZR1 the 2009 Performance Car of the Year and Jeremy Clarkson's own 2009 Car of the Year award.

But how can that be!? It's American! They don't know anything about physics!
 
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White & Nerdy
@CaliBoy: Ah... hope remains then.

Personally, I'd be willing to wait an extra 2 years or maybe more for GT6 if it meant some upgrades to GT5 in the form of DLCs. Extra premium cars, maybe a few from GT2 such as: Espace F1, PT Spyder, Coppehead/Concept Car and LM Edition, the better Proteges and Pulsars, the many "tuner" type prize cars, various Tommykaria tuners, etc. etc. Where'd all the good cars go anyway? Oh that's right, they became Skylines, Miatas, RXes, 3000GTs, and of course Kei cars. (That reminds me, I'd like a lot less redunant/generally wrothless cars in GT6. But that's another story.)

Maybe revive some tracks from earlier games - I for one would go for Red Rock Valley, Tahiti anything, Rome 90's (and Rome Night - loved that course), Green Forest Roadway, Grindelwald, Smokey Mountain, aaaaaaaaaaaand Seattle Short. I loved all of those, and I'm probably forgetting something here.

Oh, and a livery editor. Can't forget that.

Like I said, I'd be willing to wait a looooooooot longer for GT6 if some surplus content was provided for GT5. Anyone agree?
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No, I dont agree. If GT5 will be a boring let down after everything they've promised, and its starting to look that way, then I wont be waiting for their next dissappointment. Like some clever president from the US once said: Fool me twice fool on me, once fool twice me fool.. let me say it like this: a fool cant be elected twice

@ savage white dude: Here are the laptimes you probably want to take another look at: http://www.fastestlaps.com/track2.html
If you think Clarckson and his crew only have moderate car experience then dont come with the arguement about then choosing it as car of the year. But I can tell you why I think they did so: it's because it's cheap. I never said I based my opnion on him alone, I said if you dont believe me then take Jeremy's word for it. Besides him I dont know many people who have been capable to explain the difference between American and European motoring that well and who you might know aswell so since it's not enough I'll give you my opinion about it:
Americans make muscle cars which are only fast in a straight line so no advanced physics needed. Italians have been making the opposite for god knows how long and most of their brands still only produce cars that are fast and have great handling. I'll leave it there for now.
 
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That's the entire point. In the past, DLC has proven a useful platform to fix things people don't like, add things they do, and generally keep a game interesting long past release.

Also, I'm beginning to think G T Allegerwhatever just *may* be a troll of some kind.
 
G T Allegerita
No, I dont agree. If GT5 will be a boring let down after everything they've promised, and its starting to look that way, then I wont be waiting for their next dissappointment. Like some clever president from the US once said: Fool me twice fool on me, once fool twice me fool.. let me say it like this: a fool cant be elected twice

@ savage white dude: Here are the laptimes you probably want to take another look at: http://www.fastestlaps.com/track2.html
If you think Clarckson and his crew only have moderate car experience then dont come with the arguement about then choosing it as car of the year. But I can tell you why I think they did so: it's because it's cheap. I never said I based my opnion on him alone, I said if you dont believe me then take Jeremy's word for it. Besides him I dont know many people who have been capable to explain the difference between American and European motoring that well and who you might know aswell so since it's not enough I'll give you my opinion about it:
Americans make muscle cars which are only fast in a straight line so no advanced physics needed. Italians have been making the opposite for god knows how long and most of their brands still only produce cars that are fast and have great handling. I'll leave it there for now.
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The difference lies mostly with the American manufacturers. Most Italian companies make their money mainly on their ability to produce top of the line performance cars that are borderline street legal race cars. No major American companies operate as they do. The mindset of companies like Ford and GM is to make road cars. They may come out with a high performance car such as the Ford GT every now and then but it just isn't the market they are going for.

The ZR1 isn't just a cheap high performance car. It is an amazingly high performance car that can put up supercar lap times and, up until recently could be had for under 100,000 dollars. Don't sell it short, it is a very nice car that does what it was meant to do amazingly well, inexpensive or not. The Corvette Z06 and ZR1 are far from the stereotypical muscle car.

To claim that Americans don't know much about automotive physics doesn't explain why I see such a wide variety of sportscars on American roads. From M5s to 911s to F430s to Corvettes. It's the American automotive industry that has fallen behind the curve, not the American people. To their credit the new "muscle cars" they have brought back are no slouches in the corners but these companies don't live and die by their reputations as sportscar manufacturers. Whereas if Ferrari or Aston Martin put out a clunker for a sportscar they are going to lose a lot of credibility because it's simply all they do.
 
G T Allegerita
I could also stop reading where it says you live in Florida because what do americans know about car physics?
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Uhh, what does me living in Florida and being American have to do with GT5 physics being great? Pretty ignorant and irrelevant comment.

You dont believe me? Then believe Jeremy Clarckson or compare the crap you drive in to what we have.
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So whatever Jeremy Clarkson says is automatically fact? I see Lamborghini's, Ferrari's, Maserati's, Bentley's, high end Porsche's, etc. on a somewhat regular basis here by the way.
G T Allegerita
But I'm not the kind of person to show someone the door when I dont like what he's saying and if it isnt my door.
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You seem to have already made your mind up and are just aimlessly bashing the game. If the GT5 physics are so called "awful" (yet you would proudly play F1 2010?), go play that game.
G T Allegerita
For you and some other people who probably never got their driving license, who will burst into tears when someone says something they dont like to hear and who never had a GT game and therefore not recognise that what I said does show that I know what I'm talking about
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I got my license when I turned 16, as well as owned every GT game. Again what does this have to do with anything. You don't have to be a race car driver to be able to compare GT5 physics with some of the highly acclaimed accurate PC sim physics. I'm sure Kaz (which has a lot of track time in real life race cars) knows more about driving physics than you.
G T Allegerita
So besides the bad physics you can see in this vid you can also see the bad graphics:
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So GT5 has awful physics and bad graphics? :lol: :rolleyes:
G T Allegerita
Americans make muscle cars which are only fast in a straight line so no advanced physics needed. Italians have been making the opposite for god knows how long and most of their brands still only produce cars that are fast and have great handling. I'll leave it there for now.
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Typical generalization. Fast in a straight line only? Again, the ZR-1 and ACR viper have some of the fastest lap times on the Nurb. Why has the ACR viper set a faster lap time, and the ZR-1 only 1 second slower than the $800k flagship Enzo Ferrari? But this has nothing to do with the topic.
G T Allegerita
Yeah I know it makes you cry but if you dont you will look like a huge noob again.
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A noob? I think I will stop reading there. I'm not going to go into a debate with some kid that uses the term "noob".
 
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First hi there fellow GT5 followers, 08,4649 :)

To me, based on the late videos and info, the let-downs are...
- I won t be original but the lack of inner view for standard cars, i mean a windscreen and black borders, with the indicators in the middle bottom of the screen would have been enough.

- The roll overs, far too simple for small cars to flip. Based on the Tokyo game show girl who was driving a fiat500 for a TV show. A fiat 500 is not a Reliant Robin, even if you upset the car with brutal left-rights.

- The public ... i was looking at the paris circuit, and the public is not moving. I have spent time with other games where the public would just move frenetically without anything happening, in GT5 they are dead on that circuit.

- and because of the very first let down, the balance in dealerships. I understand that Ferrari is iconic, so oookay the dealership is stock-full of Ferrari cars... but Lamborghini ... 4 cars.

- Not enough old classics in Premium for my taste, but i guess people don t really care about driving in the cockpit the Lambo 350GT or the Ferrari 250LM

Aaaanyway, please don t think i am a grumpy old thing, i love GT, and the wait is soon over :)
 
Knowing that polyphony has limited resources: a limited amount of development time (or has it not been long enough already?) & limited amount of computing power, I'd say GT5 is rather mind-blowing.
It's graphically the best game on ps3 ever.
 
Wow, it's been a while since I've seen somebody toll so hard (GT. All-whatever), that they start attacking a COUNTRY.

By the way, the 'American's don't know how to build cars that turn' joke went out of style in the late seventies.
 
Maybe even before that. We had Can-am and Trans-am in the 60s and 70s, and even then NASCAR used an occasional road course (R.I.P. Riverside). Moving closer to the present day, our cars have run excellently in IMSA racing, and for a while they were just about the only car you'd find in SCCA GT1 racing. Don't forget the Corvette C5.R and C6.R, the GTO.R from Rolex or something like that, the Saleen S7R (too many R's), and so on and so forth, ad infinitum. And finally the dominating greatness of the Viper GTSR.

Either way, calling a game an overpriced an underdelivering failure before it's even released is absurd at best, especially when most of your claims are patently false. 30 tracks? If you're going by the track video the disc theif uploaded, he doesn't seem to have unlocked all the tracks yet, as he's missing several confirmed tracks such as NURBURGRING NORTH COURSE!
 
White & Nerdy
calling a game an overpriced an underdelivering failure before it's even released is absurd at bestQUOTE]

Those are your words. I never said anything about the price. I think the price is great, even for the collectors edition I'm hoping to buy.
But keep on bashing, it only proves that your tears are making room for what I've told you to sink in. That's a good thing.
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Predwolf
Wow, it's been a while since I've seen somebody toll so hard (GT. All-whatever), that they start attacking a COUNTRY.

By the way, the 'American's don't know how to build cars that turn' joke went out of style in the late seventies.
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Yeah, that joke is old, but the one in style is:

American's don't know how to make cars that go straight.

Corvettes are quite tail-happy ;)
 
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Please don't troll. You're not funny, and your statements are very ignorant as well as not very well thought out. If you're going to troll, then at least do a decent job of it.

But seriously. Don't troll. If you don't like GT, Forza, or whatever else game, that's perfectly fine...but just know that nobody else really cares all that much.

Plus you're just wasting time and effort on your part.
 
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G T Allegerita
Those are your words. I never said anything about the price. I think the price is great, even for the collectors edition I'm hoping to buy.
But keep on bashing, it only proves that your tears are making room for what I've told you to sink in. That's a good thing.
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Leave the attitude, and the attacks on groups, countries or whatever at the door of :gtplanet: when you enter.
Perhaps a good refreshing read of our Acceptable Use Policy will do you good. Read it, learn it, stick to it. Thanks.

Not that I'm an American, but perhaps you should go and do some research, "Chaparral" would be a good starting point, cars so good many were banned from racing, and not just in a straight line. ;)
 
Wait...I quoted the wrong person...darn it!

Sorry if I caused any confusion. That was me not paying attention. :guilty:

However, my words still stand against the troll. :crazy:

Edit: wait...Nevermind >.> sorry everyone...I don't know what I'm thinking about today.
 
SonicVolcano
What bugs me most is the lack of birds in the trees.
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So, you actually mean that the lack of birdies in the trees compare to lack of reflections on the track?

Sometimes i get the same feeling here as I get in Apple forums - "if it's not in, it is not needed and those who think differently are to be ridiculed" :D
 
dr Dunkel
So, you actually mean that the lack of birdies in the trees compare to lack of reflections on the track?

Sometimes i get the same feeling here as I get in Apple forums - "if it's not in, it is not needed and those who think differently are to be ridiculed" :D
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Apple obeys the motto: less is more.

They're just reinventing it to the form:
Less (actually, a box filled with air) with a shocking price is more.
 
Smallhorses
Leave the attitude, and the attacks on groups, countries or whatever at the door of :gtplanet: when you enter.
Perhaps a good refreshing read of our Acceptable Use Policy will do you good. Read it, learn it, stick to it. Thanks.

Not that I'm an American, but perhaps you should go and do some research, "Chaparral" would be a good starting point, cars so good many were banned from racing, and not just in a straight line. ;)
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I dont need to research that. I played with it in GT4 just like you.
Maybe this is a good time to remind people here that it is called the bad and the ugly thread. So group bashing someone who tells something that you dont want to hear goes against what this thread was meant for. Read my first post (1 or 2 pages back) then read the comments on it. You'll see it happened just like I say it did.
I'm not a troll btw. GT3 and 4 were the best driving games I ever played. I loved them because they didnt just handle and look good. They're the closest thing to a car encyclopedia there is. I loved the car descriptions and history in GT3 and hope it will be back in GT5. So why would I tell lies about GT5? Again, read what I've said and you'll see that I was only stating my worries about what I've heard. Isn't that allowed in the bad and ugly thread?
My remark about Americans was only meant, and I clearly pointed that out in my post, as an equally unprogressive comment as the one about the door.

I didnt come here to talk about American cars but since we are and since a moderater is waving his little ban hammer at me for something JC has said several times I'll leave the word to the Doctor of engineering himself in THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY after this.
Remember what you've said
Smallhorses
Leave the attitude, and the attacks on groups, countries or whatever at the door of :gtplanet: when you enter.
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Then remember what I've said and compare it with what JC is going to say. You're threatening to ban me because I say what JC has said. Nice GT website moderater you are.
Homework: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZXZkW1N3Ig
 
The damage is not realistic at all, the car list is 6/10, the lack of dynamic weather and time on most tracks are the most disappointing parts of this game. Waited 5 years for this?
 
Since this is a whinge thread....

Like many others, I am unhappy that Infineon Raceway is not included. That was one of my favourites from GT4.

Also gutted that Tahiti Maze is not making a return - had lots of thrills with friends sliding round those S bends on the dirt tracks - almost but not quite out of control - it was great.
 
I love chase cam when I drive in real life...

I believe only noobs use chase cam for a race. It lets you see more of the track and takes away most of the sense of speed...
 
Lets add rubbish AI to this list.

I was hopeful that the AI would be better in GT5. Sure it avoids you better, but it cant race. In every single video released so far the AI brakes 100m too early. They are stupidly easy to pass. In GT5P the only hard thing about finishing first was the lead the AI cars were given, and so it seems to remain in GT5.

Now I know people are going to be saying that the AI in the videos are from lower levels of GT5's career mode and later on it will get harder. No. I don't care at what stage in the game the race came from, watch the Nürburgring day / night video with the JGTC cars. Any driver employed to race cars of that level knows how to brake. It looks ridiculous watching the player sail by the AI whenever a corner is near.

The challenge a race provides should be all about not making a mistake and finding ways to pass. GT5 races are just time trials. Finish before the AI, but don't interact with them in any meaningful way.

Thank god for online :)
 

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