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Oh yeah, for sure. But the only place to ride MTB is in Markham Park (trails built and maintained by volunteers). So you have crazy peeps like this
and also people like this
Otherwise, you're just riding on the limestone levees, but even then you're probably better off with a gravel bike. Unless you live in the Redlands, which is like all the agricultural land south of the Miami metro area, but those people are crazy gravel weirdos, too:
No mountains, no MTBs in the wild.
and also people like this
Otherwise, you're just riding on the limestone levees, but even then you're probably better off with a gravel bike. Unless you live in the Redlands, which is like all the agricultural land south of the Miami metro area, but those people are crazy gravel weirdos, too:
No mountains, no MTBs in the wild.
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Those poor unloved big sprockets wishing one day they might actually have a purpose. 
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Vuelta spoilers
Really nice to see Sepp Kuss in the leaders jersey for once, he's been a truly indispensable part of the Jumbo squad for several years now, somehow always there to help the main GC contender on the hardest climbs. I have this little dream that Jumbo is riding for Sepp in the Vuelta as a means of repaying the work. That would be one hell of an outcome for JV if it were to happen -
Giro - Primoz
Tour - Jonas
Vuelta - Sepp
Not sure it will happen, but I think its the result I'd like to see the most.
Giro - Primoz
Tour - Jonas
Vuelta - Sepp
Not sure it will happen, but I think its the result I'd like to see the most.
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The Space Horse is in the building. It's amazing to me just how small bikes can pack down for shipping. I'm waiting for some flats and a torque wrench to come in before I take her for a spin. Still trying to figure out mechanical disc brakes. These things are a royal pain in the ass, and dealing with non-QR throughaxles also kind of sucks. She's also HEAVY, but that's more from the wheels and tires which are these aluminum bontragers. The WTB Venture 50s look great and shockingly fit the bike with plenty of room to spare. I think the bead got a little smushed out during shipping though cuz the rear wheel tread is a bit crooked and it's not sitting evenly. I'm having a hell of a time trying to reset it though. I'm wondering whether the inner tubes are appropriately sized for such a wide tire. I took apart the whole drivetrain and gave it a good scrub, cleaned and waxed the chain (which was filthy and had a bit of rust... in hindsight I never did check it with my chain gauge... 
). In fairness, the guy I bought it from did say that the chain and casette were the most worn things. The frame itself has some scratches but the guy fixed them with filler paint and the finish itself is quite nice. No exposed steel, no spiderwebs or other fine scratches. Bartape looks almost new with some gouges, but the handlebars are a bit narrow so I'm going to just try out the stem and bars as well as the saddle before making a decison to mount my fluorescent yellow SMP and re-wrap appropriately-sized bars with matching tape. 1x up front is a 38t on 172.5mm cranks, so I picked up a 46t front chainring... attached to a whole 177.5mm crankset for the same price as the new cog.
All I need is some shoes (hence going with flats for now), and I should be all set for the levees. I'll throw up some pics once I've got the tire issue sorted out.
). In fairness, the guy I bought it from did say that the chain and casette were the most worn things. The frame itself has some scratches but the guy fixed them with filler paint and the finish itself is quite nice. No exposed steel, no spiderwebs or other fine scratches. Bartape looks almost new with some gouges, but the handlebars are a bit narrow so I'm going to just try out the stem and bars as well as the saddle before making a decison to mount my fluorescent yellow SMP and re-wrap appropriately-sized bars with matching tape. 1x up front is a 38t on 172.5mm cranks, so I picked up a 46t front chainring... attached to a whole 177.5mm crankset for the same price as the new cog.All I need is some shoes (hence going with flats for now), and I should be all set for the levees. I'll throw up some pics once I've got the tire issue sorted out.
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A decent wheel upgrade might be HiFi - made in USA and pretty good weight-to-price ratio for alloy. They also look pretty cool. 😎 I would definitely look into going tubeless with tires that big...that way you can run them at like 18 psi for that dank footprint.The Space Horse is in the building. It's amazing to me just how small bikes can pack down for shipping. I'm waiting for some flats and a torque wrench to come in before I take her for a spin. Still trying to figure out mechanical disc brakes. These things are a royal pain in the ass, and dealing with non-QR through axles also kind of sucks. She's also HEAVY, but that's more from the wheels and tires which are these aluminum bontragers. The WTB Venture 50s look great and shockingly fit the bike with plenty of room to spare. I think the bead got a little smushed out during shipping though cuz the rear wheel tread is a bit crooked and it's not sitting evenly. I'm having a hell of a time trying to reset it though. I'm wondering whether the inner tubes are appropriately sized for such a wide tire. I took apart the whole drivetrain and gave it a good scrub, cleaned and waxed the chain (which was filthy and had a bit of rust... in hindsight I never did check it with my chain gauge...
All I need is some shoes (hence going with flats for now), and I should be all set for the levees. I'll throw up some pics once I've got the tire issue sorted out.
What's your rear cassette setup?
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No way I'm running anything lower than 25 at my weight lol. The casette is 11-42, typical SRAM 1x. It's a BEAST. Taking off the cassette felt like carrying two dinner plates across the house haha. Hard to compare just how light my TCR Adv SL with the lightweight red 10 speed feels compared to this thing. The carbon was getting a workout with me onboard
Thanks for the wheelset link, but I'm sure the weightiness is not actually the rims themselves but the massive steel brake discs and cogs on 'em. Not sure why anyone here in FL would ride disc brakes on the roads, really.
Thanks for the wheelset link, but I'm sure the weightiness is not actually the rims themselves but the massive steel brake discs and cogs on 'em. Not sure why anyone here in FL would ride disc brakes on the roads, really.
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The brake discs can be lightweight or boat anchors, and I'm afraid you have the latter ones. I have the aluminium core Shimanos on mine and the difference to the average perforated frying pan is night and day. And the modern cassettes are ridiculous indeed, the NX series SRAM being closer to 700 grams and including a couple of gears that are just about never needed. Swapping it for a road cassette (if possible) not only reduces weight very noticably but also improves life quality a lot with smaller cadence jumps.
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Utter domination by Jumbo. Wow. I think its very unlikely that another team will even be on the podium, let alone have any hope of winning. I don't think even at the height of their dominance, team Sky had this kind of display of superiority. Remco has totally disappeared now and I'm not sure he'll ever be a true threat to Tadej Pogacar or Jonas Vingagaard or even Primoz Roglic in a Grand Tour. (Last year's Vuelta I think was an anomaly because Primoz crashed out just at the point Remco would start to struggle.) Even the harder single day races he seems to struggle with towards the end. Nobody else seems remotely close to those three elite GC riders, though Sepp Kuss may end up with a win purely out of comraderie.
If Jumbo does fill the podium it will be perhaps the greatest display of power in this sport maybe ever, especially if Sepp Kuss takes it. 3 for 3 in Grand Tours with different riders, and finishing 1-2-3 in the final tour. Crazy.
If Jumbo does fill the podium it will be perhaps the greatest display of power in this sport maybe ever, especially if Sepp Kuss takes it. 3 for 3 in Grand Tours with different riders, and finishing 1-2-3 in the final tour. Crazy.
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Yeah, for sure, nobody has an answer for Jumbo. When you hear stuff like other teams are trying to poach their riders (ie Roglic to Lidl-Trek) you have to wonder if they would even stand a chance against the TJV juggernaut. Soudal Quickstep is built with the sole mission of supporting Remco and even then they couldn't get him anywhere near the front.
In other news, I torqued down everything and adjusted the brakes as best I could. Come to find out that the front brake/hub assembly lockring on the centerlock rotor will not hold any torque beyond hand-tightening. Is this a common thing? The back torqued down to 40Nm no problem, but the front just spins off like the threads aren't holding. I'm not sure if it's a bad lockring (hoping for this) or bad wheel hub threads (dreading this). Also, I dunno if this had anything to do with why I was able to get the bike for so cheap, but whoever installed the shifter cable totally missed the hole when they threaded it through the shifter.
Good ol' North Carolina mechanickering. I had literally zero cable tension on the rear derailleur and was wondering if the cable broke (despite the housing and cable itself basically being completely brand new appearing). Easy fix, but I'm glad I had a spare shifter cable because the installed one frayed a bit when I tried to reinstall-- one single wire from the braid got all jumbled up in there, ruining it.As far as the tires go, I looked on the side of them and the printed pressure range is between 30-50 psi. I filled them up to 60 and they seated nicely. Riding them around at 30psi was sketchy as hell though. I felt like I was on a beach ball
They BARELY fit in the frame, because the nominal width is actually 47mm. They looked like they had gobs of clearance when the bead wasn't properly set. Ah, North Carolina decision-making.One thing I also noticed was how low the pedals were to the ground with the 172.5mm cranks. The BB drop on this thing is crazy. I'm kind of wondering whether 177.5mm cranks are even a good idea, but I definitely need the bigger chainring from that crankset. 38t up front is not even usable until I'm halfway down the cassette.
Handlebars are definitely not 44cm, quite narrow. However, they're actually pretty enjoyable so I'm going to ride them a bit before deciding on whether to go with different bars and busting out the new yellow tape to go with the yellow saddle. Overall, the bike fit seems quite nice and makes me really wonder whether my road bike is indeed too big for me. However, it's also making me love how simple and light my road bike is. The space horse came with an Ergon saddle but on riding around the block in cargo shorts, it felt a little bit like sitting on a garden shovel. Kind of flat and severe. I'd like to try out one of those new eTPU saddles, but alas ya boi has no more money.
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Isn't working on bikes fun? Reminds me I have to swap over my new cassette (10-46t) to my gravel bike's road wheelset (700c x 32) this weekend. Wet season is still 1+ month out, but I've been finding out my upgrades to my road bike make it less suitable for commuting...Also need to get some fenders for the Ti bike for wet season.Yeah, for sure, nobody has an answer for Jumbo. When you hear stuff like other teams are trying to poach their riders (ie Roglic to Lidl-Trek) you have to wonder if they would even stand a chance against the TJV juggernaut. Soudal Quickstep is built with the sole mission of supporting Remco and even then they couldn't get him anywhere near the front.
In other news, I torqued down everything and adjusted the brakes as best I could. Come to find out that the front brake/hub assembly lockring on the centerlock rotor will not hold any torque beyond hand-tightening. Is this a common thing? The back torqued down to 40Nm no problem, but the front just spins off like the threads aren't holding. I'm not sure if it's a bad lockring (hoping for this) or bad wheel hub threads (dreading this). Also, I dunno if this had anything to do with why I was able to get the bike for so cheap, but whoever installed the shifter cable totally missed the hole when they threaded it through the shifter.
As far as the tires go, I looked on the side of them and the printed pressure range is between 30-50 psi. I filled them up to 60 and they seated nicely. Riding them around at 30psi was sketchy as hell though. I felt like I was on a beach ball
One thing I also noticed was how low the pedals were to the ground with the 172.5mm cranks. The BB drop on this thing is crazy. I'm kind of wondering whether 177.5mm cranks are even a good idea, but I definitely need the bigger chainring from that crankset. 38t up front is not even usable until I'm halfway down the cassette.
Handlebars are definitely not 44cm, quite narrow. However, they're actually pretty enjoyable so I'm going to ride them a bit before deciding on whether to go with different bars and busting out the new yellow tape to go with the yellow saddle. Overall, the bike fit seems quite nice and makes me really wonder whether my road bike is indeed too big for me. However, it's also making me love how simple and light my road bike is. The space horse came with an Ergon saddle but on riding around the block in cargo shorts, it felt a little bit like sitting on a garden shovel. Kind of flat and severe. I'd like to try out one of those new eTPU saddles, but alas ya boi has no more money.
As I alluded to above, I decided to commute into the city on the Cannondale friday. Bike feels awesome, all of the changes definitely add up to a noticeable difference. However, the tires (GP5000s) are not anything like as suitable for the mean streets of San Francisco, so, predictably, I got a puncture. I'm not sure if the tubalito tires are supposed to be any better at dealing with punctures, but I don't think you can repair them. So I installed my spare tubalito...and right when i was almost finished airing it up...the valve stem broke. One of the more frustrating things that's happened to me, bike-wise. So then I was stranded and had to call for help. The 40g or whatever saved by those tubes I don't think is worth it if they are that fragile, particularly as they aren't cheap...
In lighter news, I ordered one of these shirts from Pearl Izumi with the idea that it's totally reasonable to wear in the office but yet performs well on the bike. And it really does both. Fits and looks great and stays very dry for commuting. Really happy with it and may pick up another one. Bonus is that it's actually quite cheap compared to similar tops.
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Took out the spare that failed and it was indeed the stem that broke. I think the problem is that the stem is suuuuper long (probably for deep section aero wheels) and therefore has a big moment on it...and it's plastic. It might be ok with a track pump where the head is on a hose...but for a compact pump there is naturally a good bit more force on it. Its good to know there are generic TPU tubes that are far cheaper.
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I'm not sure what Jumbo Visma is doing at this point - and I'm not the only one. Jonas and Primoz dropped Sepp for seemingly no reason today, again. Surely they didn't see a genuine threat from the other teams? At the end of the day, I think there is an intense sibling rivalry between Jonas and Primoz where they are each trying to prove they are the better rider and Sepp's red jersey isn't even a consideration. If that's true, it's a bit sad considering all he's done for both of them, just this year. Both Jonas and Primoz gave sort of hollow, non-answers to why they attacked today which kind of bely their real motivation - they simply want to beat the other guy. It's a competitive sport, certainly, but the fratricide isn't much fun to watch
The other thing that today is established is that I don't think Remco is, or perhaps ever will be, at the Grand Tour level of Primoz, Jonas, or Tadej. If any of those 3 finish a Grand Tour they start with Remco, I don't think Remco will ever win another one. Today was meant to be another revenge ride for Remco and it sputtered out, even after a day where he rested and ceded another 15 minutes. He is a fearsome 1-day or even 1-week rider, but the second half of a Grand Tour seems beyond his abilities.
The other thing that today is established is that I don't think Remco is, or perhaps ever will be, at the Grand Tour level of Primoz, Jonas, or Tadej. If any of those 3 finish a Grand Tour they start with Remco, I don't think Remco will ever win another one. Today was meant to be another revenge ride for Remco and it sputtered out, even after a day where he rested and ceded another 15 minutes. He is a fearsome 1-day or even 1-week rider, but the second half of a Grand Tour seems beyond his abilities.
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Well, Remco did have covid. And he looks like he actually has some kind of physique, not just an organ cage with bony limbs sticking out. It's too hard to ride GC unless you're at the extreme end of starved-lean aerobic powerhouse with featherlight bones. He gets super compact on the bike and is instead pretty much the perfect specimen dayracer.
Jonas was a good lil' domestique today though. I originally thought that, since the competition at this point is basically just TJV amongst themselves, that they were gonna just let them go at it. Nobody attacked Sepp and the 3 of them brought back any kind of break aside from Remco who broke off early for the win.
Jonas was a good lil' domestique today though. I originally thought that, since the competition at this point is basically just TJV amongst themselves, that they were gonna just let them go at it. Nobody attacked Sepp and the 3 of them brought back any kind of break aside from Remco who broke off early for the win.
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"organ cage with bony limbs sticking out ... starved-lean aerobic powerhouse with featherlight bones."
Leave Chris Froome alone!
I would say Primoz has a physique of sorts, so being a Tim Burton character isn't always a requirement for success. Demi Vollering has a physique and a half
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"organ cage with bony limbs sticking out ... starved-lean aerobic powerhouse with featherlight bones."
Leave Chris Froome alone!
I would say Primoz has a physique of sorts, so being a Tim Burton character isn't always a requirement for success. Demi Vollering has a physique and a half
Seriously though do you remember how jacked Jonas looked when he actually had some time to eat some danish BBQ ribs? His legs were HUGE. Compare him after TDF+LaV and he looks like wasted away to nothing.
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I'm sure Chris doesn't mind. He's probably still too busy looking at stems.
Chris Froome Looking at Stems
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I bet he uses a waist level finder medium format camera in his off timeI'm sure Chris doesn't mind. He's probably still too busy looking at stems.
Chris Froome Looking at Stems
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Speaking of stems, in a way. WARNING: RANT INCOMING after a bit of an intro.
This thread has more common sense among the handful of us here than I've seen combined elsewhere during my biking "career" that is more than a decade long now. And nothing else shows it better than anything related to bike fit, for example @Omnis above wondering about swapping the cranks for longer ones and nobody said anything before seeing how it actually turns out. Which is exactly how it should go, nobody else can know if it works or not.
The know-it-all people, the so called serious bikers, take the Velominati mindset without any of the humour, turn it up to 11, and apply it religiously. Especially when bike fit is considered. I've heard the "if you're between two frame sizes, always pick the smaller one" so many times that I may just punch the next besserwisser using it smack in the middle of their face without any hesitation. They don't know such a thing as a frame too small, even in cases when it results in an abomination that needs a stem something like 30 mm longer than the geometry was designed around and a set back seatpost with the saddle pushed all the way back. The resulting bike steers like a rigid truck due to the overly long stem, is very prone to OTBing as the bar is far further forward than what the head angle was designed for, and the hip/knee section is probably all out of whack due to the saddle being several centimetres too far back just to have enough room between it and the bars.
Another thing that I again recently came across, and that actually sparked this post, is crank length. Read any article about it and the conclusion is always the same: the shorter the better. It's funny how no bike company puts 160 mm cranks on size L frames even though they apparently work best for everyone. Oh hell no they don't, I wouldn't put such ones on anything other than a kids' bike. They may work for someone who always rides at 120 rpm but that's about it. And crank length is, at least for me, one of the biggest things in how the bike performs. It's happened often enough now that it's not a coincidence, I'll try a bike and it doesn't seem to be moving like it should, and it turns out that it has 170 mm cranks. I had an otherwise pretty good cyclocross bike of my own for a while that wasn't any faster than a lightweight XC hardtail and it always felt like I just couldn't get the power down - 170 mm cranks. Tried a friend's enduro rig recently, absolutely no forward propelling power even when out of the saddle - 165 mm cranks. The difference to my preferred 175 mm isn't much in numbers, but it's very noticable.
Putting those two paragraphs into reality, my own bike is probably built all wrong according to the experts. I'm a bit on the short side but have longer than average legs, height 173 cm with an 80 cm inseam. They'd put me on an S/15,5" frame with 165 mm cranks in an instant with absolutely no objections, in reality I ride an M/17,5" with a pretty long 430 mm reach, a 60 mm stem, a zero offset seatpost with the saddle well forward to feel like I'm pedalling a bike and not a go-kart, and 175 mm cranks. The smaller frame would probably require at least an 80 if not 90 mm stem which would throw agility out of the window, the shorter cranks would force the saddle another 10 mm higher which would raise the CoG and move it forward, neither of which is good for handling. But it would be CORRECT.
This thread has more common sense among the handful of us here than I've seen combined elsewhere during my biking "career" that is more than a decade long now. And nothing else shows it better than anything related to bike fit, for example @Omnis above wondering about swapping the cranks for longer ones and nobody said anything before seeing how it actually turns out. Which is exactly how it should go, nobody else can know if it works or not.
The know-it-all people, the so called serious bikers, take the Velominati mindset without any of the humour, turn it up to 11, and apply it religiously. Especially when bike fit is considered. I've heard the "if you're between two frame sizes, always pick the smaller one" so many times that I may just punch the next besserwisser using it smack in the middle of their face without any hesitation. They don't know such a thing as a frame too small, even in cases when it results in an abomination that needs a stem something like 30 mm longer than the geometry was designed around and a set back seatpost with the saddle pushed all the way back. The resulting bike steers like a rigid truck due to the overly long stem, is very prone to OTBing as the bar is far further forward than what the head angle was designed for, and the hip/knee section is probably all out of whack due to the saddle being several centimetres too far back just to have enough room between it and the bars.
Another thing that I again recently came across, and that actually sparked this post, is crank length. Read any article about it and the conclusion is always the same: the shorter the better. It's funny how no bike company puts 160 mm cranks on size L frames even though they apparently work best for everyone. Oh hell no they don't, I wouldn't put such ones on anything other than a kids' bike. They may work for someone who always rides at 120 rpm but that's about it. And crank length is, at least for me, one of the biggest things in how the bike performs. It's happened often enough now that it's not a coincidence, I'll try a bike and it doesn't seem to be moving like it should, and it turns out that it has 170 mm cranks. I had an otherwise pretty good cyclocross bike of my own for a while that wasn't any faster than a lightweight XC hardtail and it always felt like I just couldn't get the power down - 170 mm cranks. Tried a friend's enduro rig recently, absolutely no forward propelling power even when out of the saddle - 165 mm cranks. The difference to my preferred 175 mm isn't much in numbers, but it's very noticable.
Putting those two paragraphs into reality, my own bike is probably built all wrong according to the experts. I'm a bit on the short side but have longer than average legs, height 173 cm with an 80 cm inseam. They'd put me on an S/15,5" frame with 165 mm cranks in an instant with absolutely no objections, in reality I ride an M/17,5" with a pretty long 430 mm reach, a 60 mm stem, a zero offset seatpost with the saddle well forward to feel like I'm pedalling a bike and not a go-kart, and 175 mm cranks. The smaller frame would probably require at least an 80 if not 90 mm stem which would throw agility out of the window, the shorter cranks would force the saddle another 10 mm higher which would raise the CoG and move it forward, neither of which is good for handling. But it would be CORRECT.
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I didn't do longer cranks on my TCR because it has a mast that I would need to cut down to compensate, and those are 175mm and work well enough for me. With an actual seat post, I can tinker a bit more. I've never even heard of cranks longer than 175mm, so the fact that I get to try some 177s for free is a neat bonus worth exploring. Remember, I was just looking for a chainring and I got a whole crankset for the price of the newish chainrings I could find on ebay/FB/etc. Still waiting for my new lockrings to come in (hopefully) tomorrow. I also need to get a hex socket so I can torque everything the right way if I were to change the cranks.
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Just took off the old crankset and realized it's an old ass GXP 24mm spindle. D'oh! This is why we can't have nice things. Now, instead of having a hot-swappable crankset, I have to figure out whether it's easier to swap a chainring or a bottom bracket. Grrr...
At least my lockrings finally came in and the new one works perfectly. Nice and torqued proper with no more play in the brake rotor.
At least my lockrings finally came in and the new one works perfectly. Nice and torqued proper with no more play in the brake rotor.
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Well...it basically happened though not without some drama.
Really happy to see Sepp win the Vuelta, but somehow not really happy to see Jumbo Visma win the Vuelta so...unchallenged. It's not a great feeling to watch one team thrash the rest like that. Also not a big fan of Jonas' and Primoz' candor...or lack thereof. Wavering between saying they would like to see Sepp win the Vuelta but then noting that the best man will win, with plenty enough room between the lines. The whole episode felt weird and I'm certain that both of them had wished that Sepp had faltered in the time trial. I hope he doesn't feel like he was just gifted the win. The fact is that Sepp Kuss beat 4th place Juan Ayuso by over 3 minutes, and he beat Remco Evenepoel by more than 16 minutes. Aside from his own team mates, I think only Tadej Pogacar could have beat Sepp Kuss at this Vuelta.
Onwards to Il Lombardia! It's shaping up to be a fine classic.
Remco & Tadej are already signed up - I'm curious to see if Jumbo sends Wout or Primoz to take them on. I don't think one-day races really suit Jonas. Curious to see if MVDP will contest this one.
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Well, I removed the BB and had a good look at the frame. Threads seem nice. I dunno what kinda grease buddy used but that stuff was like frozen peanut butter. The whole BB was full of disgustingly dirty grease. It looked like buddy rode Unbound in one bike and then just threw all the parts onto this frame to sell LOL. Cleaned out the threads real nice and went to a 30mm spindle setup... but the cacking BB cups are cut for a 12-point wrench instead of 16. Would really love to know why this **** isn't standardized, or at least why the wrench head doesn't come with 2 faces for 12 and 16.Methinks I'm just gonna go to a BSA BB for 30mm spindles. Wish I could stop working on this bike and ride it.
ANOTHER 2 days down the drain.
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I would have nope'd out and taken it to a bike shop much, much earlier. I commend your resilience.
