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The Bugatti Veyron
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- jimmyfoxhound
I think the Veyron looks really nice 
As far as the digital version in the game, it's just not terribly fun to drive (I'm talking stock form here, I've not bothered to tune it). It's heaven in the straights but you have to brake so early to nurse its fat butt through the corners.. 
it's just not a lot of fun to drive.
As far as the digital version in the game, it's just not terribly fun to drive (I'm talking stock form here, I've not bothered to tune it). It's heaven in the straights but you have to brake so early to nurse its fat butt through the corners.. it's just not a lot of fun to drive.
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Both. There is no reason to debate the Veyron, it’s a matter of taste and preference. You need to acknowledge what the Veyron is and isn’t. You need to know it’s purpose, otherwise what’s the point in arguing?
It doesn’t do everything best, it’s the best at doing everything, in a refined way.
The Veyron is one of those things you can’t understand in Gran Turismo. I could talk about how luxurious it is, how tame and easy it is to drive on the streets, it’s value and worth as an investment piece (or bragging right), but I won’t mention those things, because in Gran Turismo, its purpose is to be raced and driven spiritedly. So, we judge it from that perspective. But again, you have to understand, the brilliance in cars like the Veyron (and also the Agera*) are things like the computer-controlled traction and stability systems and unique suspension designs and all these things that I don’t suspect are simulated well in-game.
* Even though its not in GT6 (sure wish it was…), I’m thinking of its unique rear suspension.
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- plinsavi or GTP_plinsavi
I had already read that review from Gordon Murray, but it was nice to read it again.
After seeing this thread, I decided to try a lap on Nordschleife with the Veyron in GT6.
I put on Comfort Mediums, as in my opinion it would represent better its grip in real life.
At first it was really hard. The car understeered at turn and oversteered on exit under power. I was horrible. The main advantage of 4WD cars, I couldn't use.
Then I thought: "the torque distribution between front and rear must be wrong in this game". I bought the upgrade to change it and left at 30:70. The handling got much better. It still understeered and I had to corner at lower speeds than with other cars, but at least I could exit corners at full throttle easily.
At the end, I managed to do a 7:30 on the full lap. As comparison, my lap on the McLaren F1 is 7:37 on Comfort Mediums. Both laps are improvable, the McLaren's a little more than the Veyron's, but I don't see the McLaren beating the Veyron's time, at least on my hands.
Just so you know, I'm not defending the Veyron. I actually love the McLaren F1 and hate the Veyron. I'm just saying that it is driveable as long as you accept it and adapt your way of driving.
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- JMarine25
I don't have the Bugatti Veyron in GT6, but I do have it in GT5. All I've ever used it for was to easily get that PS3 Trophy for going above 246 mph for five or so seconds. That's all this car is really good for. If you want crazy high speed that can actually handle, then hope Gran Turismo 6 (or a future GT) gets Koenigsegg and their fabulous cars.
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- KinLM
People just expect every car to handle perfectly out of the box.
They're too ignorant to realize that it has almost no downforce and weighs two tonnes.
If you make any car weigh 2 tonnes it's not going to be an F1 car through the turns. Heck, make an LCC Rocket 2 tonnes and it'll handle like a tank as well.
People don't realize that they're going 20+ MPH faster into every turn and that they're trying to corner with a much heavier car than what they're probably used to.
They dont know how to drive it so they just say it handles like piss and move on.
If you take 5 minutes to actually try and learn how to drive this car, it can be a killer. Add tuning to that and you have a very lethal weapon.
I personally think that it's amazing handling when you look at it's stats and lack of downforce. It is extremely stable and predictable. It handles much better than many cars which carry around 500 KG less.
To the OP: I completely agree with you.
Surprisingly though, I do not like the Veyron in real life. At all. So the fact that I'm praising it's handling among other attributes here should really speak something.
They're too ignorant to realize that it has almost no downforce and weighs two tonnes.
If you make any car weigh 2 tonnes it's not going to be an F1 car through the turns. Heck, make an LCC Rocket 2 tonnes and it'll handle like a tank as well.
People don't realize that they're going 20+ MPH faster into every turn and that they're trying to corner with a much heavier car than what they're probably used to.
They dont know how to drive it so they just say it handles like piss and move on.
If you take 5 minutes to actually try and learn how to drive this car, it can be a killer. Add tuning to that and you have a very lethal weapon.
I personally think that it's amazing handling when you look at it's stats and lack of downforce. It is extremely stable and predictable. It handles much better than many cars which carry around 500 KG less.
To the OP: I completely agree with you.
Surprisingly though, I do not like the Veyron in real life. At all. So the fact that I'm praising it's handling among other attributes here should really speak something.
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- gtp_iLex
I don't think it has anything to do with ignorance or not knowing how to drive. It all boils down to taste.
I think most of the people who dislike the Veyron like cars that were made with a more balanced idea of weight and power, instead of "okay, we have a full home cinema system and Simon Cowell in the car… how much power do we need to make that go 400km/h?"
It is amazing that they managed to make this car turn like it does, I agree. However, I personally prefer something a little lighter and more lively over a Veyron.
Learning to drive this car basically means breaking really early to get that huge clunk of metal to stop and then sticking to your line. It is indeed incredibly fast if you do so, again, I agree.
All this is based on my experience with GT6 of course. I have no clue how the real thing drives.
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I couldn't agree more. Despite it's relatively great handling, I'd still take an Exige over it any day. It's the reason I'm not a fan of it in real life.I don't think it has anything to do with ignorance or not knowing how to drive. It all boils down to taste.
I think most of the people who dislike the Veyron like cars that were made with a more balanced idea of weight and power, instead of "okay, we have a full home cinema system and Simon Cowell in the car… how much power do we need to make that go 400km/h?"
It is amazing that they managed to make this car turn like it does, I agree. However, I personally prefer something a little lighter and more lively over a Veyron.
Learning to drive this car basically means breaking really early to get that huge clunk of metal to stop and then sticking to your line. It is indeed incredibly fast if you do so, again, I agree.
All this is based on my experience with GT6 of course. I have no clue how the real thing drives.
I much prefer cars with 200 HP but weigh just a tonne over cars like the Veyron. So that's why I thought it was so incredible that the Veyron handled as well as it did; handling is what I look for most in a fast car, so the amount of grip and speed that the Veyron has for it's size really surprised me.
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Okay. I have a better feedback now that I actually bought the Veyron.
I don't know what's all the hate really. The car drives incredibly well, and it's way smoother than many nimbler 300HP range sports cars. Just as comparison, try and drive a stock Lancer Evolution and then the Veyron, and be surprised at which car is more agile and neutral.
Maybe it's not as good looking as it's older brother, the EB110, but it does look really nice and unique all around with the right paint choice.
My only gripe, as mentioned in my previous post, is the car's sound. PD got the sound right at start up, idle and at about 2000 RPM. Above that it has the same sample than the BMW M5. I hope they fix it a long with the HP Gauge that it's still not working as of 1.04 plus two ninja updates.
I don't know what's all the hate really. The car drives incredibly well, and it's way smoother than many nimbler 300HP range sports cars. Just as comparison, try and drive a stock Lancer Evolution and then the Veyron, and be surprised at which car is more agile and neutral.
Maybe it's not as good looking as it's older brother, the EB110, but it does look really nice and unique all around with the right paint choice.
My only gripe, as mentioned in my previous post, is the car's sound. PD got the sound right at start up, idle and at about 2000 RPM. Above that it has the same sample than the BMW M5. I hope they fix it a long with the HP Gauge that it's still not working as of 1.04 plus two ninja updates.
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- Richiehill1988
I wouldn't complain if someone gave me one IRL. I think it's a striking brute. Ok, it doesn't have the beauty of any Aston Martin, but it's sure not ugly! The Fiat Multipla was ugly. The Veyron isn't in that category.
As for the handling thing. People need to get a slight sense of perspective on this. The best quote I've heard about it is this one by @Grimmeh "It doesn’t do everything best, it’s the best at doing everything, in a refined way.". It's not designed as a track car, or purely a GT car. It's designed to do everything to a high standard whilst remaining utterly unflappable and refined and at this job it succeeds immeasurably well. On the UK Top Gear, James may took it on a top speed run and said that when he was doing 250+, all he felt was a slight judder. Try doing that in any other car, Keonisegg, Hennesy et al. Then, try doing a trans-continental dash. Whilst doing the dash, stop off at a racetrack, perhaps Monte Carlo and some Alpine Passes whilst you're at it.
There's no other cars around that has that breadth of talent and can perform to the same level as the Veyron in EVERY discipline. That's what this car is about. GT6 - a game based on racing around a racetrack - simply does NOT do it justice.
As for the handling thing. People need to get a slight sense of perspective on this. The best quote I've heard about it is this one by @Grimmeh "It doesn’t do everything best, it’s the best at doing everything, in a refined way.". It's not designed as a track car, or purely a GT car. It's designed to do everything to a high standard whilst remaining utterly unflappable and refined and at this job it succeeds immeasurably well. On the UK Top Gear, James may took it on a top speed run and said that when he was doing 250+, all he felt was a slight judder. Try doing that in any other car, Keonisegg, Hennesy et al. Then, try doing a trans-continental dash. Whilst doing the dash, stop off at a racetrack, perhaps Monte Carlo and some Alpine Passes whilst you're at it.
There's no other cars around that has that breadth of talent and can perform to the same level as the Veyron in EVERY discipline. That's what this car is about. GT6 - a game based on racing around a racetrack - simply does NOT do it justice.
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Fortunately you have to be moving to go round turns. I dont mean considering its weight, because the car can corner very well. And thats not among heavy cars, but in general.
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You may be right for the car in gt6, but not irl. This isn't my opinion, but those who've driven it.
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I will have to disagree.
In general people don't usually like things because they don't understand them, ignorance.
In GT6 and when it comes to the Veyron, the story is usually along the lines of A: "crap handling, understeer, crap brakes, blah blah", trying to drive it as if it was a miata or a civic or B: the lack of knowledge of the story behind the Veyron and the purpose, ignorance.
Which corner do you take at 230mph in order to get that 770lbs?
From what I've read, the 770lbs is also taking into account both front and rear, not the wing alone.
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Please show me where this has been said. It will work like that IRL because that's how physics works. The faster you go; the greater the airflow under a spoiler, the greater the airflow under a spoiler; the more downforce you will generate. They are facts. Because the car is so heavy, it's never going to be a lightweight racer, physics just wont allow it to handle that way. It may handle very well considering it's nearly 2 tonnes, but compare it to something like a Lotus Elise, Caterham, Aerial Atom, BAC Mono or any other lightweight car, it won't be as tight in the twisties.
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