The Cost & Supply of Food - a Concern, or Not?

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Strained by rising demand and battered by bad weather, the global food supply chain is stretched to the limit, sending prices soaring and sparking concerns about a repeat of food riots last seen three years ago.

Signs of the strain can be found from Australia to Argentina, Canada to Russia.

On Friday, Tunisia's president fled the country after trying to quell deadly riots in the North African country by slashing prices on food staples.

"We are entering a danger territory," Abdolreza Abbassian, chief economist at the U.N.'s Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), said last week.
Story: Tunisians drive president from power in mass uprising

The U.N.'s fear is that the latest run-up in food prices could spark a repeat of the deadly food riots that broke out in 2008 in Haiti, Kenya and Somalia. That price spike was relatively short-lived. But Abbassian said the latest surge in food stuffs may be more sustained.

"Situations have changed. The supply/demand structures have changed,” Abbassian told the Australian Broadcasting Corp. last week. "Certainly the kind of weather developments we have seen makes us worry a little bit more that it may last much, much longer. Are we prepared for it? Really this is the question."

Price for grains and other farm products began rising last fall after poor harvests in Canada, Russia and Ukraine tightened global supplies. More recently, hot, dry weather in South America has cut production in Argentina, a major soybean exporter. This month's flooding in Australia wiped out much of that country's wheat crop.

As supplies tighten, prices surge. Earlier this month, the FAO said its food price index jumped 32 percent in the second half of 2010, soaring past the previous record set in 2008.

Prices rose again this week after the U.S. Department of Agriculture cut back its already-tight estimate of grain inventories. Estimated reserves of corn were cut to about half the level in storage at the start of the 2010 harvest; soybean reserves are at the lowest levels in three decades, the USDA estimates, in part because of heavy buying by China. The ratio of stocks to demand is expected to fall later this year to "levels unseen since the mid-1970s," the agency said.
Story: Wholesale prices post biggest gain in a year

"I haven't seen numbers this low that I can remember in the last 20 or 30 years," said Dennis Conley, an agricultural economist at the University of Nebraska. "We are at record low stocks. So if there any kind of glitch at all in the U.S. weather, supplies are going to remain tighter and we might see even higher prices."

Higher oil prices are also pushing up the cost of food — in two ways. First, the added shipping cost raises the delivered price of agricultural products. Higher oil prices also divert more crops like corn and soybeans to biofuel production, further tightening supplies for livestock feed and human consumption. Conley estimates that more than a third of the corn produced in the U.S is now used to make ethanol.

Despite tightening supplies, the rise in food prices has been much tamer in the developed world. On Friday, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that food prices at the consumer level rose just one-tenth of one percent. On Thursday, the government reported that the food component of the Producer Price Index rose just 0.8 percent in December. For all of 2010, food prices at the producer level rose 3.5 percent.

The reason for the modest price rise in the U.S.? People living in developed countries eat more processed foods, so raw materials make up a much smaller portion of the total retail cost.

"In this country, a much higher proportion of your food dollar is spent on processing, advertising and promotion and marketing," said Tom Jackson, a senior economist with Global Insight. "There’s not really that margin built in between the farmer and the consumer in the developing countries."

Food price spikes hit less-developed countries much harder because a greater share of per capita income — half or more — goes to pay for food. U.S. consumers, on the other hand, spend an average of about 13 percent of disposable income on food.

The impact of higher prices is blunted somewhat in countries that subsidize food to stabilize costs, but the trend in prices may make those subsidies unsustainable. Last month, Iran deployed squads of riot police to maintain order after slashing subsidies for food and gasoline. In September, 13 people were killed in street fighting in Mozambique after the government cut subsidies it could no longer afford, sparking a 30 percent rise in bread prices.

Though strong global demand and tight supplies are bringing misery to some poor countries, the price surge is a sign of improving conditions in emerging economies. That’s because increased demand is caused in part to rapidly rising standards of living, according to David Malpass, president of economic research firm Encima Global.

"Some of the gains in prices in Brazil and India are because people are better off," he said "So we have to expect some inflation in those countries as people earn more and more per year."
 
Hardly news is it? Quite obvious that when supplies get tight, prices go up, it's not the first time it's happened, it won't be the last. Droughts and flooding damage crops, it happens.

From a British perspective (excluding stuff we import) of the food industry, 2011 could be a big year, with increase in VAT to 20%, fuel prices are averaging around £1.30 per litre (pushing $8 a US gallon). I'm fully expecting big strikes this year due to how the government are handling issues. In terms of actualy quantities of food, no, we've got masses of the stuff, we waste a lot of food (processed and un-processed) due to various size and "weird" quality restraints. I think some of the EU is similar.

It's not a new concern in any way. It's always existed.
 
The price of fuel has me worried the most. Everything gets more expensive because the companies up their prices to cover the extra cost for transporting their goods - mainly affecting food prices.

Having said that, I recently couldn't buy milk and other things (bags of salt for my pool) because the floods here destroyed the suppliers. Price raising and profiteering quickly followed
 
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.999426eed38d24123132435f3d303867.31&show_article=1

Like many environmentalists, Lester Brown is worried. In his new book "World on the Edge," released this week, Brown says mankind has pushed civilization to the brink of collapse by bleeding aquifers dry and overplowing land to feed an ever-growing population, while overloading the atmosphere with carbon dioxide.

If we continue to sap Earth's natural resources, "civilizational collapse is no longer a matter of whether but when," Brown, the founder of Worldwatch and the Earth Policy Institute, which both seek to create a sustainable society, told AFP.

What distinguishes "World on the Edge" from his dozens of other books is "the sense of urgency," Brown told AFP. "Things could start unraveling at any time now and it's likely to start on the food front.

"We've got to get our act together quickly. We don't have generations or even decades -- we're one poor harvest away from chaos,"
he said.

"We have been talking for decades about saving the planet, but the question now is, can we save civilization?"

In "World on the Edge", Brown points to warning signs and lays out arguments for why he believes the cause of the chaos will be the unsustainable way that mankind is going about producing more and more food.

Resources are already beginning to be depleted, and that could cause a global "food bubble" created by overusing land and water to meet the exponential growth in demand for food -- grain, in particular -- to burst.

Two huge dustbowls have formed in the world, one in Africa and the other in China and Mongolia, because of soil erosion caused by overplowing.

In Lesotho, the grain harvest has dropped by more than half over the last decade or two because of soil erosion, Brown said.

In Saudi Arabia, grain supplies are shrinking as a fossil aquifer drilled in in the 1970s to sustain domestic grain production is running dry after years of "overpumping" to meet the needs of a population that wants to consume more meat and poultry.

Global warming is also impacting the global supply of grain, which Brown calls the foundation of the world food economy.

Every one-degree-Celsius rise above the normal temperature results in a 10 percent fall in grain yields, something that was painfully visible in Russia last year, where a seven-week heatwave killed tens of thousands and caused the grain harvest to shrink by 40 percent.

Food prices soared in Russia as a result of the poor harvest, and Russia -- which is one of the top wheat exporters in the world -- cut off grain exports.

Different grains are staple foods in most of the world, and foods like meat and dairy products are "grain-intensive."

It takes seven pounds (3.2 kilograms) of grain fed to a cow to produce a pound of beef, and around four pounds (1.8 kilograms) of grain to produce a pound of cheese, Brown told AFP.

In "World on the Edge", Brown paints a grim picture of how a failed harvest could spark a grain shortage that would send food prices sky-rocketing, cause hunger to spread, governments to collapse and states to fail.


Food riots would erupt in low-income countries and "with confidence in the world grain market shattered, the global economy could start to unravel," Brown warned.

But Brown still believes civilizational collapse can be averted, if there is a mass effort to confront threats such as global warming, soil erosion and falling water tables, not military superpowers.

"World on the Edge" can be downloaded free-of-charge at www.earth-policy.org/books/wote.
 
How cleanly does dried kangaroo dung burn?

Actually, I have an idea:
1) Electricity is a clean form of energy,
2) Electricity can be harvested from lightning by the use of very large capacitors.
3) Generate virtually unlimited amounts of electricity by generating continuous electrical storms in the atmosphere.
4) Generate continuous electrical storms by blasting away the intervening atmosphere between us and the ionosphere.

In the Auroral latitudes, the ionosphere carries a current that may reach magnitudes up to or beyond a million amperes. This current, which is called the auroral electrojet, can change in dramatic ways under solar influence, and, when it does, currents can be induced in long terrestrial conductors like power lines and pipe lines. While such effects found in nature cannot be reproduced by active ionospheric research, the sensitive instruments at observatories like HAARP can follow the progress of natural magnetic storms and provide insight into the physical mechanisms at work in the ionosphere.

To varying degrees, the ionosphere is a plasma, the most common form of matter in the universe, often called the fourth state of matter. Plasmas do not exist naturally on the Earth's surface, and they are difficult to contain for laboratory study. Many current active ionospheric research programs are efforts to improve our understanding of this type of matter by studying the ionosphere, the closest naturally occurring plasma.
http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/ion2.html

Not quite surely,
Dotini
 
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Hardly news is it? Quite obvious that when supplies get tight, prices go up, it's not the first time it's happened, it won't be the last. Droughts and flooding damage crops, it happens.

From a British perspective (excluding stuff we import) of the food industry, 2011 could be a big year, with increase in VAT to 20%, fuel prices are averaging around £1.30 per litre (pushing $8 a US gallon). I'm fully expecting big strikes this year due to how the government are handling issues. In terms of actualy quantities of food, no, we've got masses of the stuff, we waste a lot of food (processed and un-processed) due to various size and "weird" quality restraints. I think some of the EU is similar.

It's not a new concern in any way. It's always existed.

I agree with your initial statement. I don't think that there should be any alarm at all or things like "civilizational collapse" being thrown around. Stuff happens and the stuff that's happening now isn't anything new. There's no reason to be alarmed. The only reason that people are freaking out is because they think that we should be able to have full control of the world so that it can't bite us back in any way.
 
I agree with your initial statement. I don't think that there should be any alarm at all or things like "civilizational collapse" being thrown around. Stuff happens and the stuff that's happening now isn't anything new. There's no reason to be alarmed. The only reason that people are freaking out is because they think that we should be able to have full control of the world so that it can't bite us back in any way.

It's the natural cycle of things, been happening for millennia. Sure we might be accelerating the process a little but it's inevitable anyway. Good old mother nature got the dinosaurs and she'll get us one day.
 
I agree with your initial statement. I don't think that there should be any alarm at all or things like "civilizational collapse" being thrown around. Stuff happens and the stuff that's happening now isn't anything new. There's no reason to be alarmed. The only reason that people are freaking out is because they think that we should be able to have full control of the world so that it can't bite us back in any way.

A dying man in the middle of a desert is not going to bite us, at least not very hard.

But in the worst case imaginable, millions of Arabs, Africans and Asians will starve to death on our TV's. We who have money will eat. The poor will suffer first and hardest.
 
Why should I be worried that food prices in a bunch of obscure countries I've hardly heard of are sky rocketing? Surely you're not suggesting that I involuntarily give up what I've earned for myself in order to help millions of people who have even less to contribute to the world that I do.

Now, fuel is another story. I'll be damned if I have to walk the mile to and from McDonald's. Lucky sobs in Mogadishu don't have to worry about that because they don't have cars.
 
A dying man in the middle of a desert is not going to bite us, at least not very hard.

But in the worst case imaginable, millions of Arabs, Africans and Asians will starve to death on our TV's. We who have money will eat. The poor will suffer first and hardest.

My point is that people are going "draught.. AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Natural disaster destroyed crops..... OH NO THE WORLD'S GOING TO END". That's what I mean by the planet biting us back. Things that get in the way of agriculture etc. We feel as though those things shouldn't exist and that when they do something is wrong with the planet. People feel as if we should have control over the planet so that it doesn't do things like that. I'm simply saying that we should accept things like draught etc as normal occurances and stop sounding the alarm when things happen. I'm not saying that people are to blame nor am I saying that we should ignore countries but rather that we shouldn't be alarmed

EDIT: To the poster above me, Are you serious?
 
1) Electricity is a clean form of energy,
Yeah, once it's electricity. How'd it get to be that, though. Did you burn something?
2) Electricity can be harvested from lightning by the use of very large capacitors.
Not quite. Capacitors charge slowly and discharge rapidly. Watch how a camera flash works sometime. They do not accept a full charge instantaneously and then trickle it out. Interestingly enough, however, you've described the power source used by Sam Clemens to power his Fabulous Riverboat in the second novel of the Riverworld series, by Philip Jose Farmer. He somehow invented the battacitor: instant absorption of a huge electrical charge, with the energy then available as if from a battery.
3) Generate virtually unlimited amounts of electricity by generating continuous electrical storms in the atmosphere.
Not really looking forward to years and years of thunderstorms, or the ecological effect of moving that much water from where it is to where it would be.
4) Generate continuous electrical storms by blasting away the intervening atmosphere between us and the ionosphere.
I'm rather fond also of having all that air above me and around me. I'm rather thinking that removing a bunch of it would interfere with your weather generation plans in step 3, what with pressure changes and all.


Tongue firimly planted in cheek . . . . :dopey:
 
Not quite. Capacitors charge slowly and discharge rapidly.

Only if there's a resistor to limit the charging current. Otherwise they can be charged as quickly as they can discharge, given a supply with enough current available (thunderbolts would do nicely I think).

There are a few engineering details to work out though. :dopey:
 
A dying man in the middle of a desert is not going to bite us, at least not very hard.

But in the worst case imaginable, millions of Arabs, Africans and Asians will starve to death on our TV's. We who have money will eat. The poor will suffer first and hardest.

Millions of Africans have been starving on our TVs for ages, doesn't mean anyone has done anything about it. It may sound awful, but I don't think we should always instantly jump to someone elses help due to their ineptitude at building economies, contingency plans, etc.

It's not a new scenario, some people seem to be thinking it is, which I can only link to the hysteria the press try to cause to drive sales.
 
This is alarmist rhetoric about the ebbs and flow of Economics 101; supply & demand.

Food prices go up, farmers produce more to realize gains, prices of food drops. No one can predict the market or what, in essence, billions of people will do with their purchasing decisions across the globe.

Food has substitutable items; Coca-Cola goes up? People buy Pepsi.

The only wrench in all of this, in the US anyway, would be the subsidies given to corn farmers for ethanol production regardless of demand. This decreases supply and artificially inflates the price of corn while doing really nothing for gasoline prices or the environment. It's all politics really.

Will food or oil ever 'run out'? No...not even close. Google "simon ehrlich bet" to find out why doomsday rhetoric is just rhetoric.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41062817/ns/business-consumer_news/
Strained by rising demand and battered by bad weather, the global food supply chain is stretched to the limit, sending prices soaring and sparking concerns about a repeat of food riots last seen three years ago.

Signs of the strain can be found from Australia to Argentina, Canada to Russia.

On Friday, Tunisia's president fled the country after trying to quell deadly riots in the North African country by slashing prices on food staples.

"We are entering a danger territory," Abdolreza Abbassian, chief economist at the U.N.'s Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), said last week.
Story: Tunisians drive president from power in mass uprising

The U.N.'s fear is that the latest run-up in food prices could spark a repeat of the deadly food riots that broke out in 2008 in Haiti, Kenya and Somalia. That price spike was relatively short-lived. But Abbassian said the latest surge in food stuffs may be more sustained.

"Situations have changed. The supply/demand structures have changed,” Abbassian told the Australian Broadcasting Corp. last week. "Certainly the kind of weather developments we have seen makes us worry a little bit more that it may last much, much longer. Are we prepared for it? Really this is the question."

"I haven't seen numbers this low that I can remember in the last 20 or 30 years," said Dennis Conley, an agricultural economist at the University of Nebraska. "We are at record low stocks. So if there any kind of glitch at all in the U.S. weather, supplies are going to remain tighter and we might see even higher prices."

This is alarmist rhetoric about the ebbs and flow of Economics 101; supply & demand.

Food prices go up, farmers produce more to realize gains, prices of food drops. No one can predict the market or what, in essence, billions of people will do with their purchasing decisions across the globe.

Food has substitutable items; Coca-Cola goes up? People buy Pepsi.

No one is denying the law of supply and demand, Bruther Superior. Of course in the long run farmers will plant more to satisfy increased demand. But from the evidence it appears that adverse global weather conditions on several continents have recently forced farmers to give up on harvesting anything from flooded or dried out fields. Additionally, and interestingly, strategic reserves of wheat and other grains have almost disappeared in recent years, possibly for cost reasons.

Are you seriously suggesting that the cost and supply of food is of no concern whatever?

Respectfully yours,
Dotini
 
Populations are supposed to move where there's more supplies of food and resources. Mankind has been doing so for roughly 4 million years, which is the best thing to do for survival when you have a drought or the fields aren't producing anything. We aren't going to totally run out of food; although there are occasional times when powers-that-be tightly control food supplies on occasion, just to get the masses toiling harder.

There are those occasional, unconfirmed reports of manna, which is helpful if you take 40 years to move to another country on foot.
 
Populations are supposed to move where there's more supplies of food and resources. Mankind has been doing so for roughly 4 million years, which is the best thing to do for survival when you have a drought or the fields aren't producing anything.

There are those occasional, unconfirmed reports of manna, which is helpful if you take 40 years to move to another country.

Lovely thought of a true hunter/gatherer, to move on when berries and game run low.👍

If the populations of Tunisia, Somalia and Sudan all picked up and moved to the UK to enjoy the Coke and Pepsi, it probably wouldn't be long before even the slackers in the call-centers noticed it.

Respectfully yours,
Dotini
 
While many of the comments are correct in addressing supply and demand, the focus is on the wrong product. The rise in commodity and energy prices is due to excess supply of money. The bankster elite, with Bernanke as their poster boy, since the bubble popped in 2008 have been printing trillions of dollars to keep cartelized banks and governments from going bankrupt. The financial and political elite have been creating paper money out of thin air for decades to strengthen their balance sheets and election campaigns. The economic imbalances accrued during decades of fiat money fractional reserve banking are now screaming to be liquidated. The central banks of the world have engaged in a currency devaluation race to see who can stimulate the economy (read: consumption) faster. The massive inflation project undertaken by the Federal Reserve, Bank of England and the European Central Bank are destroying our way of life for generations to come, all in the name of securing profits for the Anglo-American elite banksters and politicos. The rest of the world has no choice but to debase their currencies as well or they will find themselves thrust into a crippling economic depression.

So going back to the supply-and-demand theme, when a product sees increased supply its relative value falls. So when the central banks of the world print trillions of dollars the inevitible result is a decrease in the value of their paper money. This devaluation is what is driving up costs around the world and squeezing out the lower and middle classes. We are close to the end game. The US and Europe are insolvent. It is obvious our governments will continue ransacking our productive efforts as honest working people to serve their own elite bankster masters. This is only the beginning. The race to the bottom began in 2008 and will end with massive inflation so governments can service their debts and prevent the cartelized banks from going bankrupt. The continuing debasement of the US dollar through QE programs means one thing for the world: higher prices and plunging productivity.

I suggest you guys read up on the history of central banking in the world to begin to understand how the global financial system has destroyed money as we know it, all the while supported and regulated by our political talking heads.

Here is a lengthy article about the history of the US Federal Reserve with all its scary details. This is how the modern banking cartel was created. I highly suggest taking the half hour or so to read it.

http://mises.org/daily/3823

As far as books go, the best introduction to the subject is "The Creature From Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffin. A truly epic and terrifying history of world banking.

Remember we are coming off one of the best harvests in world history, so it is not supply issues driving up food prices!
 
Here is a lengthy article about the history of the US Federal Reserve with all its scary details. This is how the modern banking cartel was created. I highly suggest taking the half hour or so to read it.

http://mises.org/daily/3823

Many thanks and a hearty welcome to Pfei for his scholarly insights and historical overview of the Federal Reserve, fractional reserve banking system, and the trend toward centralized government and Imperialism. Much of this is familiar and congenial to the libertarian denizens of GTP, but the detail presented hopefully lifts us to a new level of understanding of our history and present situation. Please continue your contributions.👍

Respectfuly,
Dotini
 
Why should I be worried that food prices in a bunch of obscure countries I've hardly heard of are sky rocketing? Surely you're not suggesting that I involuntarily give up what I've earned for myself in order to help millions of people who have even less to contribute to the world that I do.

Now, fuel is another story. I'll be damned if I have to walk the mile to and from McDonald's. Lucky sobs in Mogadishu don't have to worry about that because they don't have cars.

I seriously doubt that there is any living single cell organism that contributes less to the world than you do.
The 'lucky sobs' in Mogadishu are even luckier than you think, they don't even have a McDonalds they can't drive t
But i do wonder about this, when all these 'lucky sobs' without cars and McDonald's and on the verge of starvation start the inevitable food revolution which will have an effect on such 'civilized' people like you, will that be enough to dislodge your head from your arse?
 
I seriously doubt that there is any living single cell organism that contributes less to the world than you do.
The 'lucky sobs' in Mogadishu are even luckier than you think, they don't even have a McDonalds they can't drive t
But i do wonder about this, when all these 'lucky sobs' without cars and McDonald's and on the verge of starvation start the inevitable food revolution which will have an effect on such 'civilized' people like you, will that be enough to dislodge your head from your arse?

Just leave him alone cause the boy's bad news.
 
Burger King and Wendy's are better.

Anyways, why are seafood prices so high if a man could walk down to a river, catch fish, and bring (the) fish back to his home? I mean, it's just so overpriced for how easy it is to catch it.
 
Burger King and Wendy's are better.

Anyways, why are seafood prices so high if a man could walk down to a river, catch fish, and bring (the) fish back to his home? I mean, it's just so overpriced for how easy it is to catch it.

It is this beautiful vision of a hunter/gatherer to go down to the river and catch the fish for the family meal. So very sad it is 10,000 years out of date!

Respectfully,
Dotini
 
Anyways, why are seafood prices so high if a man could walk down to a river, catch fish, and bring (the) fish back to his home? I mean, it's just so overpriced for how easy it is to catch it.

Depends what your talking about.

I can go to the store in the summer and get fresh Walleye for cheap as it's plentiful and in season here. However Clams, Crabs, things of that nature aren't readily available here so they have to be delivered and the seasons they can be fished are rather short so they're more expensive.
 
Populations are supposed to move where there's more supplies of food and resources. Mankind has been doing so for roughly 4 million years, which is the best thing to do for survival when you have a drought or the fields aren't producing anything. We aren't going to totally run out of food; although there are occasional times when powers-that-be tightly control food supplies on occasion, just to get the masses toiling harder.

There are those occasional, unconfirmed reports of manna, which is helpful if you take 40 years to move to another country on foot.
This is one of the major flaws in our system today, isn't it? While it is pretty much common sense, billions could starve, because only way they know to find food is to go buy them.
 
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