the Espy awards

A2K78 · Jul 15, 2015

like the Oscar, Grammy, Billboard, Emmy, to name a few the Espy's lost its legitimacy a long time ago when ESPN decided that the award program would become another popularity contest. Its for this reason I hope the Laureus Awards don't go down this path.

Dan · Jul 15, 2015

TenEightyOne · Jul 16, 2015

A2K78
like the Oscar, Grammy, Billboard, Emmy, to name a few the Espy's lost its legitimacy a long time ago when ESPN decided that the award program would become another popularity contest. Its for this reason I hope the Laureus Awards don't go down this path.

Want to explain what Espy is, or start the OP with a capital letter at least?

What is Lareus?

Barra333 · Jul 16, 2015

The ESPYs are ESPN's own sports awards that are voted on by the public, which goes as well as you would think. Among other things, this year LeBron James won the best performance in a final, despite being on the losing team and not winning the finals MVP award.

Laureus Awards are international awards and are independent of TV networks. They are voted on by a selected panel in a secret ballot and as far as I am aware are quite well respected by the athletes.

Johnnypenso · Jul 16, 2015

I completely agree....the OP should be started with a capital letter.

fortbo · Jul 16, 2015

I did not watch this year because I am disgusted with thatthey gave the courage award to Bruce (Caitlyn) Jenner. I have no issue with what he is doing, and I fully support it, but there are many more deserving candidates who showed real courage who weren't picked.

Johnnypenso · Jul 16, 2015

fortbo
I did not watch this year because I am disgusted with that they gave the courage award to Bruce (Caitlyn) Jenner. I have no issue with what he is doing, and I fully support it, but there are many more deserving candidates who showed real courage who weren't picked.

Public vote=popularity contest and nothing more. It's not a "most deserving" award, it's a "most popular" award. Don't forget though, it's not what "he" is doing, it's now what "she" is doing :sly:

fortbo · Jul 16, 2015

Johnnypenso
Public vote=popularity contest and nothing more. It's not a "most deserving" award, it's a "most popular" award. Don't forget though, it's not what "he" is doing, it's now what "she" is doing

Nah, he's still a he until he gets his junk chopped off. :lol:

TenEightyOne · Jul 16, 2015

fortbo
Nah, he's still a he until he gets his junk chopped off.

Joke noted, but wrong

fortbo · Jul 16, 2015

TenEightyOne
Joke noted, but wrong

I know, anatomically he will always be a he.

TenEightyOne · Jul 16, 2015

fortbo
I know, anatomically he will always be a he.

Which is meaningless, of course. I'm not advocating him for awards or public adulation (I won't state a wish to see the whole family detonated, but... yeah), just pointing out that you're confusing gender with anatomy.

fortbo · Jul 16, 2015

TenEightyOne
Which is meaningless, of course. I'm not advocating him for awards or public adulation (I won't state a wish to see the whole family detonated, but... yeah), just pointing out that you're confusing gender with anatomy.

But they are one in the same, according to every cell in his body, he is still a male.

TenEightyOne · Jul 16, 2015

fortbo
But they are one in the same, according to every cell in his body, he is still a male.

No, they're not... "he" isn't the same as "male". Bruce Jenner's a good example of that. We're off-topic now, you should probably Google the difference and prepare to be amazed

InSight · Jul 16, 2015

So it's like a Nobel peace prize?

Omnis · Jul 16, 2015

fortbo
I did not watch this year because I am disgusted with thatthey gave the courage award to Bruce (Caitlyn) Jenner. I have no issue with what he is doing, and I fully support it, but there are many more deserving candidates who showed real courage who weren't picked.

It was actually a good piece they did on [it].

But, yeah, the show was awful. Joel McHale and the other asian guy were pathetic.

It's basically just a cancer donation driver and awareness program. Everything else seemed silly by comparison. The features on Lauren Hill and Leah Stills were great though.

iMikeTheKing · Jul 16, 2015

Johnnypenso
Public vote=popularity contest and nothing more. It's not a "most deserving" award, it's a "most popular" award. Don't forget though, it's not what "he" is doing, it's now what "she" is doing

The fans didn't get to vote for this one. ESPN automatically chose Caitlyn right after the whole special on ABC

Joel · Jul 16, 2015

fortbo
I did not watch this year because I am disgusted with thatthey gave the courage award to Bruce (Caitlyn) Jenner. I have no issue with what he is doing, and I fully support it, but there are many more deserving candidates who showed real courage who weren't picked.

If you're curious why people believe Caitlyn Jenner is courageous despite her not displaying what you consider "real" courage, it's because of comments like these:

fortbo
Nah, he's still a he until he gets his junk chopped off.

Johnnypenso
Public vote=popularity contest and nothing more. It's not a "most deserving" award, it's a "most popular" award. Don't forget though, it's not what "he" is doing, it's now what "she" is doing

fortbo
I know, anatomically he will always be a he.

If your friend Robert asks to go by Bob instead do you insist on calling him Robert because that's what his birth certificate says? Do you make sly comments and sarcastically call him Robert?

Johnnypenso · Jul 16, 2015

Noob616
If you're curious why people believe Caitlyn Jenner is courageous despite her not displaying what you consider "real" courage, it's because of comments like these:

If your friend Robert asks to go by Bob instead do you insist on calling him Robert because that's what his birth certificate says? Do you make sly comments and sarcastically call him Robert?

I don't know Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner at all, but I'm guessing he/she would not be bothered in the slightest by those comments. If that's the worst he/she has faced, I'd say he/she's had it pretty easy.

fortbo · Jul 16, 2015

TenEightyOne · Jul 16, 2015

Arguing about whether or not Jenner was a deserving recipient is not the same as your hopelessly misinformed "still a he 'til the junk is cut off" argument.

fortbo · Jul 16, 2015

TenEightyOne
Arguing about whether or not Jenner was a deserving recipient is not the same as your hopelessly misinformed "still a he 'til the junk is cut off" argument.

That is was a joke, but again, I have no issue with his decision, but if he still has male genitalia, he is still a male. But my issue is that he does not deserve to get that award.

BobK · Jul 16, 2015

Noob616
If you're curious why people believe Caitlyn Jenner is courageous despite her not displaying what you consider "real" courage, it's because of comments like these:

If your friend Robert asks to go by Bob instead do you insist on calling him Robert because that's what his birth certificate says? Do you make sly comments and sarcastically call him Robert?

Still nothing courageous there, certainly nothing deserving an award.

GTPorsche · Jul 16, 2015

fortbo

That image is false. There were no runner ups.

Blitz24 · Jul 16, 2015

BobK
Still nothing courageous there, certainly nothing deserving an award.

Also if the award was a plug or PR stunt then it means even less. Well, ESPN needs all the money it can get I guess.

TenEightyOne · Jul 16, 2015

fortbo
That is was a joke, but again, I have no issue with his decision, but if he still has male genitalia, he is still a male. But my issue is that he does not deserve to get that award.

You used "he" initially, not "male". You then said that they were the same thing thereby illustrating how poorly informed you are about the differences between gender and anatomy.

GTPorsche
That image is false. There were no runner ups.

Interesting! You're absolutely right

fortbo · Jul 16, 2015

TenEightyOne
You used "he" initially, not "male". You then said that they were the same thing thereby illustrating how poorly informed you are about the differences between gender and anatomy.

Sorry I used the wrong word, I will try not to next time.

Daniel · Jul 16, 2015

fortbo
That is was a joke, but again, I have no issue with his decision, but if he still has male genitalia, he is still a male. But my issue is that he does not deserve to get that award.

Gender ≠ anatomical sex.

Famine · Jul 17, 2015

Daniel
Gender ≠ anatomical sex.

Then cosmetically altering your anatomical sex also ≠ changing gender...

Daniel · Jul 17, 2015

Famine
Then cosmetically altering your anatomical sex also ≠ changing gender...

So it's fine if I click on those ads that always show up in my spam folder?

Joel · Jul 17, 2015

Johnnypenso
I don't know Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner at all, but I'm guessing he/she would not be bothered in the slightest by those comments. If that's the worst he/she has faced, I'd say he/she's had it pretty easy.

BobK
Still nothing courageous there, certainly nothing deserving an award.

Do you not see what's courageous about being publicly trans, and the de facto public face of transgender people? Considering that even on GTP, one of the most civil discussion sites I've ever seen, trans women are called "he", and people still call her Bruce?

That's the point, that even on a site like this which is basically as good as it gets on the internet, people still can't just use the name and gender she identifies as. This is as good as it gets. I don't even want to imagine how bad it gets.

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