The General Anime Thread...

[jacnob]

Update to my previous post about there not being any Otaku types around me; I found at least three today, two of which are dudes and one who is a cute girl (all my age)

 

[TheCorvette]

People already do try and extract meaningful themes from animation. They've been doing it for a long time, even with media that's not anime. How else do you get a bunch of folks not liking the storytelling of pixar films or acquiring ratings?

There's plenty of things they still don't dare to do which you can only find in anime atm.

Whats wrong with Naruto?
People talking down on others isn't cool and I'm going to suggest you all don't forget to keep things polite in here. Just because I'm retired doesn't mean I can't raise hell.
Using "tard" in any way directed at other people or members of the forum is an AUP violation. Keep it clean and fun, don't make it difficult and don't forget the forum rules apply in this thread like they do in any other.

Many Naruto fans have a reputation of being way, way too into Naruto, and it gives their fanbase a bad name. People have referred to such people as "Narutards", and "Tard" hit Bleach's fanbase soon after.

 

[Cano]

Whats wrong with Naruto?

In this case, it's fanbase, as it has been explained by TC in here:

Many Naruto fans have a reputation of being way, way too into Naruto, and it gives their fanbase a bad name. People have referred to such people as "Narutards", and "Tard" hit Bleach's fanbase soon after.

After that, it became somewhat of a generic way to call weirdo anime fans.

Here's a different trailer.

I agree with the facial expressions and animation not being as fluent as in Spirits Within and such, but even so I still want to see it badly because Harlock is the baddest-ass anime character ever.

 

[Kent]

In this case, it's fanbase, as it has been explained by TC in here:

Far as I'm concerned the fan base is me.
Look at the GAT and think of how many Naruto fanboys you see... Not many if any at all.

Don't be "that guy" and start talking about discriminatory generalizations regarding a good manga/anime simply because it gets a bad rep from idiot children.

Best recognize fool...

That said I want to reiterate that "tard" is never acceptable.

Moreover, judging people by their fandom and not their behavior is a great way to look like a jerk ("jerk" because I am avoiding the swear filter).

Naruto has been an incredible story (manga) and genuinely (IMO) deserves respect as one of the best of all time.

...
That's a topic for all of you.
Name me the best mangas of all time.
Btw, you'd better not name me some hype anime BS that's only become popular because of big breasts and young children being exploited (btw, that's your reason for America never accepting anime ).

 

[Shinshiki]

Update to my previous post about there not being any Otaku types around me; I found at least three today, two of which are dudes and one who is a cute girl (all my age)

See, you're not alone. Go to a convention if you can sometime.

 

[C-ZETA]

Lol isn't that the genderbent Itsuki Koizumi that nk went back to?

 

[ZEROX]

Update to my previous post about there not being any Otaku types around me; I found at least three today, two of which are dudes and one who is a cute girl (all my age)

You're lucky to have any. I hardly find somebody like that in my area. There're few at my college but all they talk about are Naruto, One Piece and theothersyouknowwhat. When I ask about the other title, they just go meh.

...
That's a topic for all of you.
Name me the best mangas of all time.
Btw, you'd better not name me some hype anime BS that's only become popular because of big breasts and young children being exploited (btw, that's your reason for America never accepting anime ).

Berserk, D.Gray-Man, NGE, Onepunch-Man, Naruto, AOT(because I'd read it waaaaaay before it gets animated.), Doraemon, and others I don't quite remember.

 

[Sly Guy]

Far as I'm concerned the fan base is me.
Look at the GAT and think of how many Naruto fanboys you see... Not many if any at all.

Don't be "that guy" and start talking about discriminatory generalizations regarding a good manga/anime simply because it gets a bad rep from idiot children.

Best recognize fool...

That said I want to reiterate that "tard" is never acceptable.

Moreover, judging people by their fandom and not their behavior is a great way to look like a jerk ("jerk" because I am avoiding the swear filter).

I'm not a fan of Naruto, but I'm not ignorant enough to label the fanbase, you tell him Kent!

 

[Sephy]

Wow this thread was busy!

I need to start those Madoka movies. I still wish they hadn't been made, though. Should have left it with the series instead of milking it.

 

[nk4e]

Lol isn't that the genderbent Itsuki Koizumi that nk went back to?

Yeppers.

Far as I'm concerned the fan base is me.
Look at the GAT and think of how many Naruto fanboys you see... Not many if any at all.

Don't be "that guy" and start talking about discriminatory generalizations regarding a good manga/anime simply because it gets a bad rep from idiot children.

Best recognize fool...

That said I want to reiterate that "tard" is never acceptable.

Moreover, judging people by their fandom and not their behavior is a great way to look like a jerk ("jerk" because I am avoiding the swear filter).

Naruto has been an incredible story (manga) and genuinely (IMO) deserves respect as one of the best of all time.

...
That's a topic for all of you.
Name me the best mangas of all time.
Btw, you'd better not name me some hype anime BS that's only become popular because of big breasts and young children being exploited (btw, that's your reason for America never accepting anime ).

Cowboy Bebop, Ooku, Naoki Urasawa's Monster, Ghost in the Shell, Vampire Hunter D, Berserk, Hellsing and unfortunately, I can't name a Ninja one since Ninja Scroll didn't make it to Manga. IMO, the problem with Naruto is that there are tons of fillers and is like DBZ. But the show and manga is aimed at young boys like DBZ.
Could do a screen cap but I am lazy at the moment.

 

[uMadson?]

not a big fan of Naruto either.

Fanbase aside, the entire story's dragged waaaaaay too long. No exact conclusion whatsoever. And I don't see anything interesting in it at all.

@nk4e:

https://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/071/f/d/rin_tohsaka_by_0kasane0-d4sl52y.jpg

HHNNNGGG

and speaking of IE-tan, there better be a WP8 version of Inori-themed IE69whateverthenumberis. Going to switch to a Nokia Lumia by next year or so, and you could say that I'm in love with her

 

[Kent]

I think many of you mistook a rhetorical question for a real question and went on to address a moot point while missing the more important issue of generalizations and acceptable behavior.
That said, I'm really not worried about whether or not Naruto is liked and can't really understand why anyone would waste their time talking about how they don't like the series. Talking about not liking Naruto in this thread would be just the same as me talking about how I don't like the shows about pre-teen girls with magic powers (god only knows what sort of stereotype audience that's aimed at ).

 

[Roger the Horse]

Shows about pre-teen girls with magic powers are typically aimed at pre-teen girls, last time I checked, however, there may be cases in which they are aimed at a more general audience due to the work being a parody or a deconstruction.

I don't generally like or dislike works about anything* in particular, I just judge works based off of their own merits.

When it comes to Japanese animation and comics, I can find a Mecha show just as enjoyable as a shonen fighting show, and find both of those just as enjoyable as a slice-of-life comic about a single parent raising a child. Sturgeon's law applies in any case, of course.

*OK, maybe I dislike works about how wonderful Hitler was or something like that, but those are the exceptions.

 

[kennylmao]

That said, I'm really not worried about whether or not Naruto is liked and can't really understand why anyone would waste their time talking about how they don't like the series. Talking about not liking Naruto in this thread would be just the same as me talking about how I don't like the shows about pre-teen girls with magic powers (god only knows what sort of stereotype audience that's aimed at ).

I've watched it but I still don't get the Madoka Magica craze. Maybe it's all about the cute. Oh snap! *runs*

And I think we should know better than to talk crap about a certain anime when the OP's profile pic is of said anime origins. Not to mention being a mod as well.

JK, jk

 

[uMadson?]

I'm not saying that Naruto is **** per se, but I simply don't find any reason why I should be into it.

1. Fans are out there at every corner of the street. Even if I rule out maturity for reasons stated above, I don't really like lumping myself into a very wide spectrum of audiences when the show is about mature themes and all.

2. The story, the story, the story. It isn't really divided that well. The LNs of the Raildex series, one of my favorites, is kinda long sure, but the anime's episodes are neatly divided into seasons spanning 20+ episodes. And looking at its big picture, I don't see any major fault in the storyline. Naruto on the other hand... 200+ episodes. Bleh.

The manga on the other hand, I may say the same thing. The story is sooooo long I'm not even sure if catching up is worth my time. 'tis the same reason why I dropped Fairy Tail.

If there's a series I would be obsessed with, it would be something like NGE. Short (compared to Naruto), sweet, and a story that kicks.

3. I don't see the difference between mahou shoujo and Naruto. Both of which involve casting spells of some kind. Both of which involves fighting. Both of which can be dark (Madoka comes to mind). It's just the characters and the setting that makes one different from the other, but really.

tl;dr fanbase too generalized, story too long, and ninjas fighting =/= magic girls.

Though if you can still keep up with the story then good for you. I myself will stick to my tastes.

EDIT: As for hasty generalizations... I don't even bother talking to people about Naruto and I left it at that. "If you've got nothing good to say, then don't say it" they say, and I pretty much follow that rule unless I've got a private outlet to lash all my feelings onto.

 

[eXtaticus]

I like shows about pretty girls with magical powers. Most of my friends think that I'm a paedophile. ^_^

Wait...there's an Internet Explorer anime? Is it full of security holes and random naked chicks?

"I'd like to fill Inori Aizawa's security hole!"

*ahem* Sorry. :X

It's only a two-minute animation and a few wallpapers at the moment - but if Google and Mozilla respond with official Chrome and FireFox OS-tans respectively, it should totally turn into a full series.

Microsoft actually has a full cast of characters now; Windows 7 (Nanami Madobe), Windows 8 (Yuu Madobe), Windows RT (Ai Madobe), Windows Azure (Claudia Madobe), Silverlight (Hikaru Aizawa) and now Internet Explorer (Inori Aizawa) all have official personifications - and every single one of them is

just

hhhhhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnnnnGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

Especially Inori. :3

 

[nk4e]

I think many of you mistook a rhetorical question for a real question and went on to address a moot point while missing the more important issue of generalizations and acceptable behavior.
That said, I'm really not worried about whether or not Naruto is liked and can't really understand why anyone would waste their time talking about how they don't like the series. Talking about not liking Naruto in this thread would be just the same as me talking about how I don't like the shows about pre-teen girls with magic powers (god only knows what sort of stereotype audience that's aimed at ).

@Cano

 

[uMadson?]

yeah, I think Inori's the cutest among the official Microsoft mascots.

if we count the unofficial ones though, I'm sorely going to miss XP-tan.

 

[nk4e]

I wonder if they have personality problems like their computer counter parts

 

[Roger the Horse]

If there's a series I would be obsessed with, it would be something like NGE. Short (compared to Naruto), sweet, and a story that kicks.

Yeah, I think that for a work to be truly outstanding, it should try to avoid becoming overly long. Partly just because it becomes harder and harder to get into things the longer they last. I watched the entirety (roughly 11 hours) of NGE over the course of two nights, while for someone to watch the entirety of Naruto or One Piece would likely take them several months, assuming they have anything else to do with their time.

 

[DK]

I wonder if they have personality problems like their computer counter parts

If IE-tan isn't mentally handicapped, I wouldn't count on it.

 

[SuperShouden]

I like shows about pretty girls with magical powers. Most of my friends think that I'm a paedophile. ^_^



"I'd like to fill Inori Aizawa's security hole!"

*ahem* Sorry. :X

It's only a two-minute animation and a few wallpapers at the moment - but if Google and Mozilla respond with official Chrome and FireFox OS-tans respectively, it should totally turn into a full series.

Microsoft actually has a full cast of characters now; Windows 7 (Nanami Madobe), Windows 8 (Yuu Madobe), Windows RT (Ai Madobe), Windows Azure (Claudia Madobe), Silverlight (Hikaru Aizawa) and now Internet Explorer (Inori Aizawa) all have official personifications - and every single one of them is

just

hhhhhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnnnnGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

Especially Inori. :3

Wow. Windows 7 is actually named 7. Who told Microsoft to make an anime?

 

[eXtaticus]

They should, shouldn't they? It'd be totally awesome. :3

If IE-tan isn't mentally handicapped, I wouldn't count on it.

>unfunny, outdated IE jokes

I love it that people still talk about Internet Explorer like it's still 2005; IE6 was replaced long, long ago, and Internet Explorer 11 is legitimately good. If I wasn't so encumbered by Google's infrastructure and didn't mind IE's rubbish font anti-aliasing, I'd probably use it instead of Chrome.

 

[TheCorvette]

not a big fan of Naruto either.

Fanbase aside, the entire story's dragged waaaaaay too long. No exact conclusion whatsoever. And I don't see anything interesting in it at all.

Yep, and I can't give many 🤬 about the series anymore. This war arc is just awful from so many standpoints, and I've seen plenty of avid Naruto fans go from loving the series to dropping it and despising it. It has been that bad for people. I mean for example... (Are spoiler tags really not working anymore?)

Spoiler

Rock Lee is throwing Rasengans. I thought the series made it extremely clear he COULDN'T do such a thing as it's physically impossible for him to use Ninjutsu or Genjutsu, just Taijutsu which is physical fighting. This is what made him a special and interesting character.

Sigh, certain things that happen when you drag it out too long, though one thing was dragged out too long for years, the whole Sasuke situation. Seriously die in a fire Sasuke, nobody cares about you anymore.

Well Naruto's suffering will end next year, after 15 years, the series is finally going to come to a close (If you dare deny this, you have hardly any idea what you're talking about). We're getting old.

As for generalizations of fanbases, it's something that can't be helped at times because human nature. We all at one point do it (Usually out of frustration), we attack one another over differing opinions and tastes, and it leads to insults. It also doesn't help when people try to think they understand someone when they really don't. *Looks at people that think I'm a shounen fanboy (When it's a demographic, not a genre) and will like those shows over anything else.*

Yeah, I think that for a work to be truly outstanding, it should try to avoid becoming overly long. Partly just because it becomes harder and harder to get into things the longer they last. I watched the entirety (roughly 11 hours) of NGE over the course of two nights, while for someone to watch the entirety of Naruto or One Piece would likely take them several months, assuming they have anything else to do with their time.

Well then you should like the current market. It's becoming more and more rare for shows to become these long-runners. Many WSJ adaptations as of late have become late-night anime, which typically are one to two cours and live and die depending on how they do in sales. Nisekoi is going to be late-night, Haikyuu!! is going to be late-night, Medaka Box was late-night, Kuroko's Basketball is late-night, and so on.

Not to mention, one cour is exceedingly more common than it's ever been, and 10 episodes is becoming more of a common thing. Why animate those extra two to three episodes when your goal is to advertise the source material, and you can still do just that with only 10 episodes?

Meanwhile, in the past few years, the only long-running "battle shounens" that have come to be are Saint Seiya Omega, Toriko, and Hunter x Hunter (2011), that's it. You're going to pretty much only see the continuations of Gintama and Fairy Tail end up in that group in the near future.

 

[MHPALA]

Still waiting for the new Hunter X Hunter arc to get started.

 

[Kent]

I'm amazed more people here don't read the mangas.
That's all I do anymore, haven't watched Naruto or Bleach in a couple of years now (unless a friend puts it on while I'm hanging out at their place or something).

Btw, that said, Naruto is currently wrapping up the war (still like a year ahead of the anime though), and Bleach is finishing off as a series but it's the typical DBZ goku's on the way sort of thing... Ichigo is just now taking off to get to the fights while the others have been fighting for weeks.

And btw, I'm actually happy to see so few here like Naruto. 👍
Makes it easier to not worry about spoilers.

Btw, I can understand making the magic girl - naruto comparison except one small issue... The insane pedo-bear levels of anything magic girl.
No way around it, there's a seriously unhealthy obsession with young girls in far too much anime.
I mean really... Just google image search Madoka (had to find the name from a post on the previous page).

 

[TheCorvette]

Because people prefer anime, even though they know 99% of the time they're only getting a small fraction of the story and typically not a proper conclusion, or other things like a bad adaptation (Ex: Magi, Arata: The Legend, Rosario + Vampire-and people wish for a S3...*Facepalm*).

Honestly, I need to read more manga again, especially for certain series that had an anime but ended.

As for Naruto, I honestly would like to see a few more fans on here (Would lead to less blind statements about the series). I still think well over the series overall (Mainly part 1), though that current final arc, ugh, please end already. The stupidity in that arc is making my head explode.

 

[Kent]

I'm not sure I believe this will be the final arc.
I mean, ending the series with Obito's defeat isn't necessarily bad but for all of the long time fans it's only a lame substitute for the real fight we all want/ need to see... That's right, there needs to be one final Naruto v. Sasuke fight. You just can't have that relationship left up in the air like suddenly everything is ok.

Simply because of the fact that Sasuke and Naruto haven't settled the issue I'm inclined to believe there will be another arc after the war. Sasuke has a plan for something bad and I'm betting he will use the end of the war as his opening.

Btw, where was it that Rock Lee was using the Rasengan?
I don't remember it in the Manga but my guess is that I read that issue well over a year ago and simply forgot about it.

 

[TheCorvette]

It's something I heard that happened in the manga very recently. There's other things I've heard that make me want to punch a wall. Kishimoto has lost his senses.

 

[Kent]

It's something I heard that happened in the manga very recently. There's other things I've heard that make me want to punch a wall. Kishimoto has lost his senses.

So what you're saying is that you don't read the manga and the things you hear about the series are making you say it's all bad now. Fair enough, I can understand that perspective (especially with no manga reading involved).

Spoiler Alert
I had to look into it again after seeing you say it was recent...
Basically, Rock Lee and all the others who handle the rasengan don't actually create it or control it or anything (in fact there is a moment when people like Rock ask in surprise "can I even do this"?), all they do is carry it to perform an attack while Naruto is doing something else.
That said, you have to consider how far along Naruto's power has come since the beginning of the war. At the point where is is giving Rasengans to people he's also put the full hokage fox chakra cloak on them as well.

Once he actually earned the respect of the fox and was getting power from the fox (by having the fox voluntarily give it to him) his power level went through the roof. Combine that with his mastery of sage arts and you've got the most powerful living person other than Obito at his peak.

I'd say the ninja wars have been a bit longer than needed but considering we get to see so much real content and basically no filler I can't complain. That said, I don't watch the anime and I'm sure they threw in both filler and added content for fights (I doubt the anime showed the 5 kages get beat in the span of one episode but that's basically how it went in the manga).

Getting to read the first hokage's story of him and midara becoming friends and the eventual fallout was incredible. Add in all the previous kages, naruto mastering the fox chakra, meeting his parents, learning the secret of obito, learning what actually happened with itachi, seeing kabuto get his and so many other things... Yeah, it's been a long story but well worth it imho.