The General Anime Thread...

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I kind of agree with you here, but could not the same be said for most things? (This discussion is weird: I kind of agree with you completely and also feel like there are things you're missing... though maybe I'll put them down to late night forum posting, tiredness and spontaneous spurts of typing. But hey, discussion and counter-arguments are good, like how the old philosophers of yore are always depicted :P)

Of course it's the same for everything, but a lot of things have changed and evolved. We could part anime or literature or acting in several aspects and discuss them, but in the end we'd come to the same conclussion: it's still all the same formula, but all of its elements have changed, evolved, gotten better.

That's not to say old stuff is bad. I want to see Queen Millenia, released in 1979. AOS thinks Evangelion is old, yet it's the main topic in this thread everyday. FLCL is ten years old already and it has animation like I have never seen since. Gundams haven't changed whack sinde the 80s. It all contributes to form what we have here and now.
 
OMFG!!!! -> New Ah! My Goddess! is up as an OVA!??? OMG, OMG, OMG!!!



^ Too much Loli, Eva, Moe dilutes many important anime news as of late...AOS/nk4e, you used to give some anime news before? Right? :( :indiff:
 
AOS thinks Evangelion is old, yet it's the main topic in this thread everyday.

I can think of many reasons for that:
  • Weird ending
  • Empress of Bitchiness/Asuka
  • The Rebuild series
  • Yebisu getting product placement
Those are just off the top of my head.

Re: OADA, I have to keep convincing myself that anime 14 = real life 18. Unless it's something like Lucky Star.
 
I can think of many reasons for that:
  • Weird ending
  • Empress of Bitchiness/Asuka
  • The Rebuild series
  • Yebisu getting product placement
Those are just off the top of my head.

Re: OADA, I have to keep convincing myself that anime 14 = real life 18. Unless it's something like Lucky Star.

Don't forget the failed plans at a Live action.
 
They were alright, but I'm getting the feeling you're making me look like I judge how good the entire show is based solely on what it looks like... in which case I'm going "Where the heck are you even going with this?"

C'mon, let's hear more than three words on what you thought of them :P

I don't really have any direction or anything, I'm just engaging in a bit of discussion about stuff, and for some reason some of the previous statements got me a bit fired up. I guess you could say I'm a firm believer in "just because something's old, doesn't mean it doesn't have as much value" "looks not being everything/form follows function" so I jumped on some of a couple of people's posts. Better to have a lively discussion than nothing at all, right?

Although, let me say this, please don't mistake these as any kind of "put-downs" or "attacks", I just... I dunno, I have this feeling of wanting to expand people's thinking, of showing them possibilities they may not have considered or something...

And I guess anime could be considered art, as all forms of expression could be argued as such. Animated drawings, etc. Though there are a few different schools of thought of anime, or even art in the broader sense: As a merely aesthetically appealing thing, as a thought-provoking piece, or as a purely business-minded money making tool. And then there are combinations of all three, Eva being a decent example here. It's made Gainax a ton of money with merchandise, has some visually impressive and fantastic scenes, and also provokes the mind into areas of thought seldom travelled. Even after all these years, it's maintained an admirable fanbase. It just won't die!

Cano, I totally hear you man, I totally hear you *nods in a sagely and understanding manner*

I'd write more on my aforementioned discussion points posted by AOS, but I was gaming a bit too much, and now it's almost 5am here :dunce:
And, to compensate for my wall(s) of text, here's some stuff:
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Lain: is how I would do moe. I'm weird like that, but her brown jumpsuit with the ears is damn cute. Plus she is amazing with computers :P
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Mushishi: It's a really chilled, relaxing show, and all I've heard from people who've seen it were good things.
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Spice & Wolf: I've said it before, but this is a great show. Fantastic character inter-relations and development, you get to know them and they get to know each other really well, as they get into all sorts of trouble along their journeys. And Horo really loves apples, almost as much as she likes to drink :P

Haruhi was my first "real anime" so to speak, so I guess I can only really look back on it with nostalgia-glasses. Despite it's flaws or cliches I can only see now, it was great at the time. Just really fun. The Haruhi-chan and Nyoro~n Tsuruya-san shorts were great as well, playing off the characters in wacky and hilarious ways. I've also heard a lot of good things about the movie, but be sure to stay away from the second season (Endless 8) :nervous:
 
AOS thinks Evangelion is old, yet it's the main topic in this thread everyday. FLCL is ten years old already and it has animation like I have never seen since.

And yet, it was done by the same studio, Gainax. They are also both original works of Gainax. Hell, I think TTGL is also an original work of Gainax too.

Gainax is definitely an innovator.

And there is the Gainax magic in both FLCL and TTGL. Hell I even felt the Gainax magic in a couple scenes of Dantalian no Shoka.
 
The Endless 8 was bad but I lived through it.
For me, I was trying to catch what he was doing wrong or what he had to do. Koizumi helped make everything better
 
And then there are combinations of all three, Eva being a decent example here. It's made Gainax a ton of money with merchandise, has some visually impressive and fantastic scenes, and also provokes the mind into areas of thought seldom travelled.

True dat. Someone needs to give Rei a psychology degree. Although I'm guessing Asuka wouldn't be pleased.
 
About endless 8:

I thought he was supposed to tell Haruhi "I Love you" or something, so i was expecting that..but homework? seriously? :tdown"
 
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The Endless 8 was bad but I lived through it.
For me, I was trying to catch what he was doing wrong or what he had to do. Koizumi helped make everything better
^ I've endured and watched each episode of "Endless 8". ;)
 
It does because you don't expect that from Nagato.

I knew it was Nagato because I read the novels. But when I was watching the 2009 airing, I knew that the reason for the 8 episodes was to build up the whole reason why Nagato did it.
 
And yet, it was done by the same studio, Gainax. They are also both original works of Gainax. Hell, I think TTGL is also an original work of Gainax too.

Gainax is definitely an innovator.

And there is the Gainax magic in both FLCL and TTGL. Hell I even felt the Gainax magic in a couple scenes of Dantalian no Shoka.


Gainax was the most innovative studio in anime. More so than Ghibli. Why? Gainax singlehandedly made people look at anime from a different perspective with Evangelion. I don't think there has been a single, most revolutionary and influential anime series in the entire history than Eva.

It might be good or bad to people (I consider it far from the best I've seen), but it absolutely turned the industry upside down and made everyone take notice. I really think that there is such a thing as "before and after EVA". It's like the Beatles of anime.
 
Lain: is how I would do moe. I'm weird like that, but her brown jumpsuit with the ears is damn cute. Plus she is amazing with computers :P

Lain's bearjamas are awesome. And that little bit about computers is totally a spoiler :P
 
As ew as you think it is, you can't deny the fact on how influential the Gundam series has been since it's inception some odd 40 years ago.

It spanned many many books, movies, anime's, manga's, side stories, etc.


Hell, without the Gundam series, I don't think many of today's mecha anime genre would have existed, and if they would, maybe they wouldn't be as good as they are..

For example, Gurren Lagann, Big O, Evangelion, raXenphon, Gun x Sword...



I do agree with Cano though, Evangelion sure did turn the industry upside down when it was released :lol:
 
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I knew it was Nagato because I read the novels. But when I was watching the 2009 airing, I knew that the reason for the 8 episodes was to build up the whole reason why Nagato did it.

Or was it Kyon? Nagato gave a option for him because she likes him.
Either way, they made the mess. Dice, I think you forgot about the other Mecha favorites. Gundam was there but without those favorites, you wouldn't have Gundam.
 
I'd say Gundam has had a bigger influence and definitely has a bigger fanbase than NGE but both shows are undeniably massive with both.

And I love GAINAX. I don't think I've seen anything by them that I didn't like.



I can think of many reasons for that:
  • Weird ending
  • DAT ASUKA
  • The Rebuild series
  • Gendo being a PIMP
Those are just off the top of my head.

fixed.
 
You're absolutely right nike


Mazinger Z, Tetsujin 28-go (without it, there wouldn't be a gundam franchise)

But when one thinks of mecha anime now, Gundam 90% of the time pops into his/her mind first :lol:
 
It's usually the case that the unconventional anime that leaves a lasting impression and becomes a sort of classic. Evangelion, at first impression, looks like some form of action, but when in fact it was more psychological. I guess you could say that caught my eye.

...but then again, I still feel the '90s was the golden age of anime (Cowboy Bebop, various Gundam, etc.), in my opinion (although there are plenty of decent modern ones).

Anyways, OADR:
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Perhaps Rei looks nice in a kimono?...
 
you can't deny the fact on how influential the Gundam series has been since it's inception some odd 40 years ago.

It spanned many many books, movies, anime's, manga's, side stories, etc.


Hell, without the Gundam series, I don't think many of today's mecha anime genre would have existed, and if they would, maybe they wouldn't be as good as they are..

For example, Gurren Lagann, Big O, Evangelion, raXenphon, Gun x Sword...

I do agree with Cano though, Evangelion sure did turn the industry upside down when it was released :lol:

Yes, it was very influential indeed, but it didn't really have any twist in the mecha genre. It was still gigantic robots fighting in space or against other gigantic robots. It was Mazinger without the robots looking like water heaters with a head. Nothing new, unlike EVA.

And it has stayed that way for the 30+ years it has existed, its storyline hasn't changed one freaking bit. It's just more robots, more guns, more of the same, but the same nevertheless. It's Dragon Ball with robots. It's simply stuck. So while it was influential when it started, it has now fallen into a black hole of yawn-more-gundam. If it had ended 20 years ago, it would have been so much more of a legend than it is.

With Evangelion, well, you can say it IS a mecha anime. But these mechas, as we all know, have an enormous twist to them. They are by no means the usual robot stuff. Evangelion also singlehandedly twisted the mecha genre to a degree never since seen.

Things like that are what made EVA so influential and so important. It took a lot of the traditional stuff in anime, added new stuff, then twisted your head with the results. A lot of people could not believe, at that time, that an anime could be so deep, so confusing, so extraordinary as EVA was. As I sadi, good or bad, but it was like nothing any of us had ever seen. Up until EVA, there had been excelent animes, but nothing that could be taken seriously by the general public, and SPECIALLY the overseas public. EVA changed that. EVA gained anime the acceptance that it could be a mature media.

...but then again, I still feel the '90s was the golden age of anime (Cowboy Bebop, various Gundam, etc.), in my opinion (although there are plenty of decent modern ones).

It was. Eva hit first, then came dozens of series and movies that set the world on fire because they explored new grounds. Bebop, Lain, Hellsing, GITS, the more mature Ghibli films (Nausicaa notwhitstanding), Spriggan. Also, some of the most classic, beloved animes appeared at that time. Sailor Moon for instance. The 90s was also the years that aime spread worldwide. I can still remember the absolute anime craze that sweeped the planet. It was when bein' a otaku was hip and strange, not a Narutard synonim.
 
Actually, I can't argue back with your EVA statement because I completely agree lol

I hate you because of that. :grumpy:
 
Don't hate me. I'm not the EVA fanboy here. I'm the Bebop Geek. But I can't deny the relevance of EVA in the history of this culture. It was a turning point. I was there to see it. Suddenly, anime went from big robots, magic girls and guys that fight with swords to

bloodthirsty human-like god beings that spewed religious references from their eyes, ending the world and starting it all over again

It was a HUGE leap. Really. It made a lot of people take notice.

EDIT: Got dammit. Haven't posted todays Tune of the Day, so here we go, the first series that repeats here is, naturally, Cowboy Bebop; however, posting famous songs off the OSTs would be too easy. Here we have one that I think has gone waaaay underrated, because it's beautiful:



What's not to like about a song called "Flying teapot"?
 
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