The GT Sport Epic Whining and Crying Thread

[Mr616]

Man, I'm so bummed out, I was so excited about today's FIA Maggiore, I practised a lot and were doing high 1.57s. But I admit I messed up the qualifying after hitting traffic. I still kept positive and thought I could make something out of the race, however, other people had different plans.

First turn incident, pretty sure he didn't have to turn violently into me:



I dropped to dead last, made some places and then this guy decides he can't wait:



Finally, a pink Merc practically ended my race:

That first one was all you I'm afraid. You were never making that corner and I'm sure if it was done to you, you would be here complaining of being divebombed. Didn't watch the others after seeing that.

 

[GTFraker]

That first one was all you I'm afraid. You were never making that corner

A little bit of understeer that would easily be corrected with a touch of brake, didn't read the rest of the post after reading that.

 

[Sagaben]

Today's Gr.4 race has been absolutely disastrous. Expected better from a B:S race but some of the driving I've seen has been appalling. Have given up for now after being punishment punted off by some Russian idiot after he PIT manoeuvred himself against my car on a straight. In the same race there was an Italian fellow going around barging past people by driving over the inside corner grass. Some nice apex parking too (quite a bit of that going around). Great stuff.

 

[BigJimmy]

Today's Gr.4 race has been absolutely disastrous. Expected better from a B:S race but some of the driving I've seen has been appalling. Have given up for now after being punishment punted off by some Russian idiot after he PIT manoeuvred himself against my car on a straight. In the same race there was an Italian fellow going around barging past people by driving over the inside corner grass. Some nice apex parking too (quite a bit of that going around). Great stuff.

No no no... You are meant to create a new thread when you moan about sport mode. Come on man!

 

[UnkaD]

...didn't read the rest of the post after reading that.

Are you sure?

 

[racer_xis]

Crazy with pit glitch... A guy tries to do the pit glitch twice in a row, but the good guy on yellow megane was there to save us the second time. He warned in the chat and was in his way to stop the guy, that quit due to our hero's effort!

 

[BSDShoes]

Not really a whine, but I just did the FIA Bathurst race today, qualified 2nd and stayed 2nd until the 7th lap where I spun the tires at the top of the hill and we all know how much it sucks to crash in that spot with the tight walls and it took forever to turn the car back around (it wouldn't auto reset) and by the time I got going again I was 13th then accidentally punted a Corvette on final lap so I stopped to let him recover and get ahead me, ended up 14th. A potential huge DR increase turned into a bit of a DR dump, bah. I'm so mad, it was one of my best races too since I was literally on the bumper of 1st place guy for 6+ laps.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Personally, I have joined the dissenters and have a suspicion that all this staggered content "plan" is actually the result of playing catch up. It's almost as if the game were canned for a while, unofficially, and all the licensing allowed to lapse.

The premium cars from GT5/GT6 are, for the most part, perfectly find for GTS. Just look at the cars that have been carried over (MiTo, etc). As for the lack of tracks, I'm not buying the track scale excuse because GT6 was said to be using the GTS renderer and it doesn't take four years to rework some trees or add some details to tracks like Le Mans.

Why no Nurburgring GPD? What happened to the Daytona variants? LeMans? Spa?

Also, for a game focused on the Online component, where is the online content? Just remember that the daily races aren't new. GT6 had them, so that's not an added feature. Did they really work for four years on the DR and SR system? Seems unlikely. Granted, the DR/SR system has made the dailies more compelling, no doubt, but GTS is very much GT6 with much of the content removed. Did the livery editor suck up all that time?

Just a little reminder of all the new work they did for GT6.



When I watch that video, I really feel let down by what we got in GTS. I had the assumption that it would be similar with a great online focus, but all we got was a matchmaking system. There are a few threads/comments about being bored already. Many of my friends have gone back to GT6 and other games (I may do the same).

The daily races are stale. Next week, the Mileage exchange updates and the repeats have already started. This game still feels like a Beta version of a real game waiting to be released.

 

[Veinz]

simulating pirelli cheese tires in the dailys is getting a bit old. How about a longer race with softer compounds instead of 8x tire wear for the hards?

 

[Odyofil]

I still can't believe, in the some of forum areas, some heavy smokers defending the GT Sport.
I can understand, moderators and admins can defend game, became a lawyer of Pdigital.
They are getting money on this forum, but how can an GT fan defend GT sport? Unbelieveable.

The game is a disaster, in 'almost' every part.

We got nothing but vision cars, nothing but GR3 and GR4 cars.
All we have a bunch of some bad chosen street cars.

What happened to street cars? What happened? Wheres Rx8? Where is Honda S2000?
Where is spa? Laguna seca? Where is Le mans circuit?

GT6 came out in 2013, we're in 2018. What did you do in 5 years? 5 damn years.
Look at what Turn10 studios did, Forza Motorsport 5, Forza Motorsport 6, Forza Motorsport 7.
Do not post ******** on the 'quality over quantitiy' please, What do you think for forza cars? NFS:Underground 2 quality?
Yea, i respect 'quality over quantity' but not this much. 170 vs 700 cars? Really PD? Is that what you could do?

We can not save the save game on our hdd, what would you think will happen on 2021? When games servers close, we're done.
But you can play your GT5 and GT6 on your ps3. To forever.

What do i see in GT sport? Lack of vision, lack of hard-work.

 

[ScottPuss20]

One thing which annoys me is not being able to shift up or down by hand whilst in automatic. Project Cars 2 allows this, and it really comes in handy when you want to short shift out of a tight corner or on a slippery surface. I wish the GT Sport had this.

 

[Scaff]

I still can't believe, in the some of forum areas, some heavy smokers defending the GT Sport.
I can understand, moderators and admins can defend game, became a lawyer of Pdigital.
They are getting money on this forum, but how can an GT fan defend GT sport? Unbelieveable.

You may want to stop making assumptions about the staff in that way.

It can get embarrassing being wrong!

I neither get paid, nor blindly defend GTS.

 

[Silver Arrows]

I still can't believe, in the some of forum areas, some heavy smokers defending the GT Sport.
I can understand, moderators and admins can defend game, became a lawyer of Pdigital.
They are getting money on this forum, but how can an GT fan defend GT sport? Unbelieveable.

So...is this an accusation of the moderators being shills, or the players being fanboys?

We got nothing but vision cars, nothing but GR3 and GR4 cars.
All we have a bunch of some bad chosen street cars.

I won't disagree with either of these points.

What happened to street cars? What happened? Wheres Rx8? Where is Honda S2000?
Where is spa? Laguna seca? Where is Le mans circuit?

It seemingly is quite hilariously that with all the talk about 'future-proofing' assets found within GT6, that none of the tracks that made it into that game (Especially ones like Ascari, Red Bull Ring, etc) made it into GT Sport. Surely it would be only a quick (Well, relative to PD) process.

GT6 came out in 2013, we're in 2018. What did you do in 5 years? 5 damn years.
Look at what Turn10 studios did, Forza Motorsport 5, Forza Motorsport 6, Forza Motorsport 7.
Do not post ******** on the 'quality over quantitiy' please, What do you think for forza cars? NFS:Underground 2 quality?
Yea, i respect 'quality over quantity' but not this much. 170 vs 700 cars? Really PD? Is that what you could do?

I'm going to stop you right here. As someone who has played Forza, a lot recently, but also a lot more over the past few years compared to GT, don't think that the quality of the qunatity of cars in the Forza games is good. Many of the legacy vehicles such as the 22B STi, '69 Camaro SS, Skyline R34 that go all the way back to Forza 2 on the 360, and even Forza 1, were woefully inadequate for the longest time, and Turn 10 did absolutely **** all in terms of rebuilding them to look good especially as we went from HD to 1080P graphics. Even with some of the vehicles (I am fairly certain the 22B STi was remodeled for Forza 7) they don't look up to snuff compared to others.

You also have to realize that the reason why T10 has so many cars in their games is because they're outsourcing them to modeling houses in India, Vietnam, etc. And what do you get for said outsourcing? Not only 'legacy' vehicles that only have the barest minimum touched up on them, but also vehicles that have restrictions placed on them, especially in Forzavista, in order to hide said problems. You can go over to the Forza 7 forum right now and ask the people that play the game about these problems. It isn't sunshine and rainbows as you've described.

We can not save the save game on our hdd, what would you think will happen on 2021? When games servers close, we're done.
But you can play your GT5 and GT6 on your ps3. To forever.

This I also won't disagree with. The fact that more people are not eviscerating PD (Or as the rumors go, the FIA) for mandatory online saving with no offline alternative, is quite disappointing.

What do i see in GT sport? Lack of vision, lack of hard-work.

I will also agree with lack of vision, but hard work? Come on man. It's game development. You're spending at minimum a year and a half, usually two or three from conception to release building a game, with a multitude of problems along the way that need to be solved.

 

[dylpro]

The premium cars from GT5/GT6 are, for the most part, perfectly find for GTS.

If you really believe that, then you ought to check out this thread.

 

[redhed17]

I will also agree with lack of vision, but hard work? Come on man. It's game development. You're spending at minimum a year and a half, usually two or three from conception to release building a game, with a multitude of problems along the way that need to be solved.

Mmm, GT5 to GT6 =3 years. GT6 toGT Sport = 4 years. Does anyone think that for what GT Sport is, that would have taken anywhere near 4 years considering what they delivered?

The PS4 was also seen as easier to make games for than the PS3 unless I'm mistaken, adding even more incredulity to what they delivered.

This I also won't disagree with. The fact that more people are not eviscerating PD (Or as the rumors go, the FIA) for mandatory online saving with no offline alternative, is quite disappointing.

I also can't believe that no offline saving is not a big deal for a lot of people. I thought it was stupid idea before I got the game, but after having the game not connect to the Network whilst I have been playing, and seeing how little is left, I am amazed it is not the biggest problem with the game for most people.

 

[Voodoovaj]

If you really believe that, then you ought to check out this thread.

In many of those pictures, the difference is better shaders rather than a better model.

 

[dylpro]

In many of those pictures, the difference is better shaders rather than a better model.

Everything is cleaner, rounded, sharper. There’s no denying the improvement. I thought GT5/6 premiums were great too, but they don’t hold a candle to GTS.

I even stated this in that thread, but had PD simply ported every GT5/6 model into GTS people would be up in arms! It’s akin to the standards that were present in GT6. Look at the most recent pictures in that page, it’s disgusting.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Everything is cleaner, rounded, sharper. There’s no denying the improvement. I thought GT5/6 premiums were great too, but they don’t hold a candle to GTS.

I even stated this in that thread, but had PD simply ported every GT5/6 model into GTS people would be up in arms! It’s akin to the standards that were present in GT6. Look at the most recent pictures in that page, it’s disgusting.

One coder doing better shaders has more punch than any artist remodelling a car.

Looking at the Bugatti and The Audi Quattro, those are both mostly better looking because of shader changes.

In any event, let's say it's all remodeled for the sake of discussion.

Is the Alfa Romeo Mito on the top of the list of cars to work on? Or any of the GR1 cars? Or the Vision Cars? On the point of the vision cars, wouldn't you just do no more vision cars since that was a GT6 thing?

If they were remodeled, there are a lot of odd, pointless choices there. Chapparal anyone?

It's just.....bizarre.

it's called "GT Sport" "Hey Kaz, we're Sport focused. Should I go remodel the JGTC cars first so people can race them?" "No, no Mr. Modeller, go redo all the Vision cars that no one used in the last game and which have even less use in this one."

It's fishy

 

[Tassie_tiger]

I still can't believe, in the some of forum areas, some heavy smokers defending the GT Sport.
I can understand, moderators and admins can defend game, became a lawyer of Pdigital.
They are getting money on this forum, but how can an GT fan defend GT sport? Unbelieveable.

The game is a disaster, in 'almost' every part.

We got nothing but vision cars, nothing but GR3 and GR4 cars.
All we have a bunch of some bad chosen street cars.

What happened to street cars? What happened? Wheres Rx8? Where is Honda S2000?
Where is spa? Laguna seca? Where is Le mans circuit?

GT6 came out in 2013, we're in 2018. What did you do in 5 years? 5 damn years.
Look at what Turn10 studios did, Forza Motorsport 5, Forza Motorsport 6, Forza Motorsport 7.
Do not post ******** on the 'quality over quantitiy' please, What do you think for forza cars? NFS:Underground 2 quality?
Yea, i respect 'quality over quantity' but not this much. 170 vs 700 cars? Really PD? Is that what you could do?

We can not save the save game on our hdd, what would you think will happen on 2021? When games servers close, we're done.
But you can play your GT5 and GT6 on your ps3. To forever.

What do i see in GT sport? Lack of vision, lack of hard-work.

Sure, don't like the game.
Your call.

But most of your post is exaggerated rubbish.

I particularly like your "5 years" call.
GT6 released Dec 2013.
It is now Jan 2018.
Try 4 years, and most of that time was also spent supporting GT6, which is still running BTW.

As for your last call of "lack of hard-work" ... ignorance is bliss as they say.


But hey, don't let stupid things like facts get in the way of a decent rant.

 

[zzz_pt]

My time to come to this thread and whine a bit.

So, today my fav track was also the Daily Race C (8 laps)! Cool, I though when I saw it. Let's put a lap in right away. And that I did. Top1 time in Europe after 3 practice laps. Oh, I had 57,900 DR points - this will be important for the rest of the story.

Then the "party" begun.

1st race: Started on Pole. Was leading with a gap for the top2 in Europe by lap 4 for when I got disconnected. 2100 DR points lost. Down to 55.800 DR points

2nd race: Pole and Win. 1100 DR points. 56.900 total.

3rd race: Started on Pole. Before the "go" even appears on the screen, I get disconnected. 1800 DR points lost. Down to 55.100.

4th race: Started on Pole. Leading on lap 2. Second guy doesn't break into the right hander after the second sector, sends me to the sand. I come back in 5th and 30 seconds later I get disconnected (!). 1800 DR points lost again! I'm now down to 53.300 ( negative 4.600 for the day).

________

I think: I need to at least make it into 57.900! I was raging at this point. Turned OFF and ON my routers, went for a break and came back.

________

5th race: Pole - Win. 1000 DR points. 54.300
6th race: Pole - Win. 900 DR points. 55.200
7th race: Pole - Win. 1000 DR points. 56.200
8th race: Pole - Win. 1100 DR points. 57.300
9th race: Pole - Win. 1000 DR points. 58.300
10th race: Pole - Win. 1100 DR points. 59.400
11th race: Pole - Win. 1100 DR points. 60.500

11th race: Started on pole and happened the same as in the 3rd race. Didn't even start the race. 2100 DR points lost. Back to 58.400!

_______

So, after 8 wins in a row and 4 disconnects, I was only 500 DR points (!) above my DR score from today morning. Crazy!

_______

You're probably thinking: Is he dumb or something? Why does he insist? And I have to tell you that I only kept doing it because it's my favourite track. Only Lake Maggiore would make me endure this massive DR hits. So yes, I improved my qualifying lap* and raced for 2 more races.

12th race: Pole - Win. 800 DR points won. 59.200.
13th and last race: Pole - Win. 800 DR points. 60.000.

At the end of the day, I won 10 races in a row and only went up 2.100 DR points. The system is really broken when it penalizes you for a disconnection EVEN IF you're leading the race or starting in pole position. What's the logic on that?

_______

For comparison, a few days back, Lake Maggiore was also the Daily C race but with Gr.3 cars. I managed to make 6 races and win the 6 in a row. My DR reflected that with a pretty steep jump:

Today, after 11 wins in a row and 4 disconnects:

So yes, this is my contribution for this thread. I should have ~67.800 DR points and I've only 60.000.


*I was still 4th in Europe but I wanted to try and beat TeamRedline_Enzo's time. I failed for 0.045 ^^ Next time.

 

[dylpro]

One coder doing better shaders has more punch than any artist remodelling a car.

Looking at the Bugatti and The Audi Quattro, those are both mostly better looking because of shader changes.

In any event, let's say it's all remodeled for the sake of discussion.

Is the Alfa Romeo Mito on the top of the list of cars to work on? Or any of the GR1 cars? Or the Vision Cars? On the point of the vision cars, wouldn't you just do no more vision cars since that was a GT6 thing?

If they were remodeled, there are a lot of odd, pointless choices there. Chapparal anyone?

It's just.....bizarre.

it's called "GT Sport" "Hey Kaz, we're Sport focused. Should I go remodel the JGTC cars first so people can race them?" "No, no Mr. Modeller, go redo all the Vision cars that no one used in the last game and which have even less use in this one."

It's fishy

I won’t act like I know all that much with coding and the like. I do know that the cars now look great and much more detailed over GT6. Whether that was the coders or the remodeling I don’t know, but I think what we have now is more “future-proof” than anything in GT5/6.

As far as what is in the game now, I agree. I’m not upset about the reduction in car count as much as I am about the choices of cars that made the cut. Still, I’m optimistic about the future, but if by the end of GTS lifetime we haven’t gotten to even half of that lofty 500 Kaz suggested, I’ll be hard pressed to buy a GTS2.

 

[oamoShotya]

My time to come to this thread and whine a bit.

So, today my fav track was also the Daily Race C (8 laps)! Cool, I though when I saw it. Let's put a lap in right away. And that I did. Top1 time in Europe after 3 practice laps. Oh, I had 57,900 DR points - this will be important for the rest of the story.

Then the "party" begun.

1st race: Started on Pole. Was leading with a gap for the top2 in Europe by lap 4 for when I got disconnected. 2100 DR points lost. Down to 55.800 DR points

2nd race: Pole and Win. 1100 DR points. 56.900 total.

3rd race: Started on Pole. Before the "go" even appears on the screen, I get disconnected. 1800 DR points lost. Down to 55.100.

4th race: Started on Pole. Leading on lap 2. Second guy doesn't break into the right hander after the second sector, sends me to the sand. I come back in 5th and 30 seconds later I get disconnected (!). 1800 DR points lost again! I'm now down to 53.300 ( negative 4.600 for the day).

________

I think: I need to at least make it into 57.900! I was raging at this point. Turned OFF and ON my routers, went for a break and came back.

________

5th race: Pole - Win. 1000 DR points. 54.300
6th race: Pole - Win. 900 DR points. 55.200
7th race: Pole - Win. 1000 DR points. 56.200
8th race: Pole - Win. 1100 DR points. 57.300
9th race: Pole - Win. 1000 DR points. 58.300
10th race: Pole - Win. 1100 DR points. 59.400
11th race: Pole - Win. 1100 DR points. 60.500

11th race: Started on pole and happened the same as in the 3rd race. Didn't even start the race. 2100 DR points lost. Back to 58.400!

_______

So, after 8 wins in a row and 4 disconnects, I was only 500 DR points (!) above my DR score from today morning. Crazy!

_______

You're probably thinking: Is he dumb or something? Why does he insist? And I have to tell you that I only kept doing it because it's my favourite track. Only Lake Maggiore would make me endure this massive DR hits. So yes, I improved my qualifying lap* and raced for 2 more races.

12th race: Pole - Win. 800 DR points won. 59.200.
13th and last race: Pole - Win. 800 DR points. 60.000.

At the end of the day, I won 10 races in a row and only went up 2.100 DR points. The system is really broken when it penalizes you for a disconnection EVEN IF you're leading the race or starting in pole position. What's the logic on that?

_______

For comparison, a few days back, Lake Maggiore was also the Daily C race but with Gr.3 cars. I managed to make 6 races and win the 6 in a row. My DR reflected that with a pretty steep jump:

Today, after 11 wins in a row and 4 disconnects:

So yes, this is my contribution for this thread. I should have ~67.800 DR points and I've only 60.000.


*I was still 4th in Europe but I wanted to try and beat TeamRedline_Enzo's time. I failed for 0.045 ^^ Next time.

Maybe you should invest in an more stable connection?

 

[dylpro]

This isn’t really exclusively to GT Sport, but just need to vent this one....

Two nights ago my PS4 decided it needed a safe zone. Wouldn’t start up in anything other than safe mode. Tried rebuilding the database to no avail. Only way I could get it started was to initialize

Lost everything from GT Sport to Shadow of War to Netflix. Not a happy day

 

[redhed17]

Try 4 years, and most of that time was also spent supporting GT6, which is still running BTW.

Mmm, other game developers seem to be able to support a current game and make a high quality follow up OK.

How much car/track modelling was done for the previous game over those fours years after release! And if supporting a game is going to impact a follow up, hire more staff.

If they can't deliver a game that is worth the money imho, then take more time. It is not as if PD rush games out every year, though that doesn't seem to be a problem for other developers.

 

[zzz_pt]

Maybe you should invest in an more stable connection?

First time that happened since forever. I got disconnected due to server issues before (where everyone goes down at the same time) but never like this. I suspect something was wrong somehow yesterday.

But yeah, penalizing people who are leading a race or didn't even started is really stupid.

 

[SkylineR88]

Is there a real point in this thread because the majority of the posts on the front page are crying about one thing or the other.

 

[Imari]

You also have to realize that the reason why T10 has so many cars in their games is because they're outsourcing them to modeling houses in India, Vietnam, etc. And what do you get for said outsourcing? Not only 'legacy' vehicles that only have the barest minimum touched up on them, but also vehicles that have restrictions placed on them, especially in Forzavista, in order to hide said problems. You can go over to the Forza 7 forum right now and ask the people that play the game about these problems. It isn't sunshine and rainbows as you've described.

On the other hand, you actually have Forzavista. I think there's a pretty strong argument to be made for models of slightly lower quality and a significantly higher quantity being an overall better deal for the player.

 

[novcze]

yeah, some appalling on track behaviour



I can supply more videos from today's races but it's not worth it, blocking, laggers, rammers, etc.

 

[Georgeagea]

@zzz_pt omg you seem to be an amazing driver! I've never won any race and probably never will.are you faster than guys like Kie25 and TRL_Lightning and Viperconcept and similar people!?

 

[zzz_pt]

@zzz_pt omg you seem to be an amazing driver! I've never won any race and probably never will.are you faster than guys like Kie25 and TRL_Lightning and Viperconcept and similar people!?

Thank you for the compliment. I consider myself a very fast driver but I put people like TRL LIGHTNING, miura30, IOF_RACING, ORMA_Snow, TRL_Fuvaros, TeamRedline_Enzo, Dayrone and Zoky on another level. I considered them aliens.

I don't know Kie25 or Viperconcept tho.

Good luck in Sport Mode. You'll eventually start winning.