The GT3 Category landing on Gran Turismo 6?

[analog]

The standard DTM cars will remain.

Some might even be Premium now, remember this?

I wouldn't say no to them, but they look pretty awful with all the aerodynamic appendages hanging off them. Also the racing in DTM is pretty monotonous - most people watch touring car racing to see overtaking, which is not what you'll find in DTM.

They might look awful to you but the specific DTM look was the inspiration for the Aston Martin One-77 which doesn't look too bad I reckon, nevermind that most racing cars aren't designed to look good and in my opinion the ones based on roadcars more than often don't look better than those roadcars (more agressive, mean or perhaps cool yes, better? nope).

As for the second part about the real life DTM racing being monotonous, I think I have to agree (at least most of the times I tried to watch the current series) but how that's relevant for the ingame cars and racing escapes me to be honest.

 

[Gejabo]

I remember that picture.
And I really hope that this means it'll be premium in GT6

 

[Tired Tyres]

Jordan said when he closed the thread that was revealed in that it is not in the interests of GT to discuss it.

For all we know it could be for Driveclub. And before anyone says "But is says Gran Turismo" I'll remind you that Gran Turismo is part of the Italian language and does not necessarily mean Gran Turismo the game in English

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

No, it doesn't work like that. GT3 is a technical specification, you can't just tart up a fictional car and call it a GT3 car, it needs to closely match the other cars. Also people want real world racing cars, not fictional ones.

I agree with you on this. I don't want to settle for a fictional car, I want the real deal.

I just hope that the recent GT3 cars that have been rumored on a couple of the threads on here to be in GT6 are actually going to be confirmed for the game.

 

[AMPMROCKETFANN]

No, it doesn't work like that. GT3 is a technical specification, you can't just tart up a fictional car and call it a GT3 car, it needs to closely match the other cars. Also people want real world racing cars, not fictional ones.

I agree with you on this. I don't want to settle for a fictional car, I want the real deal.

I just hope that the recent GT3 cars that have been rumored on a couple of the threads on here to be in GT6 are actually going to be confirmed for the game.

I understand, I personally wish that the Ford GT LM cars had upgrades. As for the Matech GT, I personally don't like the livery, so that's why I suggested that the LM be retooled. The car itself can be there, but the livery cannot. Sorry for confusion

 

[Samus]

I understand, I personally wish that the Ford GT LM cars had upgrades. As for the Matech GT, I personally don't like the livery, so that's why I suggested that the LM be retooled. The car itself can be there, but the livery cannot. Sorry for confusion

Rather selfish outlook, don't you think?

 

[Tenacious D]

That reminds me of a similar idea I posted on a different forum, a way to make a better use of the Race Modification feature by having some class / spec RM options that balance groups of cars to certain real (or even fake) race series specs.

So a variety of the lower power family cars (e.g. hatchbacks and saloon / sedans) and RM them to a WTCC / BTCC type spec, with balanced weight / power modifications that still keep some of the car's individual qualities but makes them generally more even.

Scale it up for more powerful cars and maybe even give them multiple class / spec options so you could RM them to GT3, GT4 and / or other spec levels.

This is precisely what I requested. I also suggested a Tuning Modification to create specific tuner cars.

Here's hoping all of this is in GT6. I want as many racing leagues and classes represented as possible.

 

[AMPMROCKETFANN]

Rather selfish outlook, don't you think?

nope, I was using mobile when I wrote that, but this is what I mean. I love The Ford GT LM, GT LM Spec II, and the test version to death. I wish PD would improve the sounds on them. I frankly think This

looks far better than This

if you disagree, I'm sorry, just saying what I think. I proposed, that instead of being forced to look at a livery like that flat blue one, how about a PD designed ("Gulf", see what I mean here) one. In fact, this would be a great excuse for a livery editor, by means of a decal package. that way we could see something like this

on a modern GT3 car. Now, on to the Camaros and Corvette GT3's!

 

[syntex123]

They could try to make a Ruf GT3, by the Racing Modifications (RM)

👍

 

[TheGTGuy]

Interesting! Any links to the forum/thread you found this on?

sorry, i dont know which forum i spotted it on exactly, i was just glancing through it and saw that comment.

 

[A_Higher_Place]

Keep in mind we also have the '09 Audi R8 LMS Team Playstation. That is a GT3 car as well. Just like the plain coloured R8 LMS's we have too. They could be good "grid fillers" as well.

If they model the Z06 to GT3 spec and the black Ford GT Test car to GT3 spec then we have a half full grid!

 

[Snaeper]

For the Ford Gt Matech one, No. Just No. As I said already, This car can already serve as a Ford GT GT3. Just add a spoiler (and maybe aero garbage) and redo the sound and BOOM! instant GT3 car. Plus, it looks 19x better. The Spec II race car makes a great GT1 car, and all it needs is new sound.

Those are not GT3 or GT1 cars, though. Those are fictional racing cars and would be un-competitive with real GT3 machinery in the game. I figured I'd reinforce the point. The Mercedes SLS AMG GT3 Race car has been shown without a livery, just because we're requesting the Matech Ford GT GT3 doesn't mean we'd have to get the Matech livery (Matech made the cars, hence the name).

The Marc VDS Livery is very attractive, I don't see why that would be outside the realm of possibility.

I think we'll get the Camaro GT3 seeing as how the company that makes them also builds Lambo GT3's. As for the Z06, I say leave it alone, although I do not know average GT3 horsepower figures so that may need to be retooled.

Not really sure what you mean when you say to leave the Z06 alone, but I really won't expect the Camaro GT3 as anything more than a RM. It's not really a factory backed effort as far as I'm aware, and the car is only run by a handful of teams, so I can't see why PD would go out of their way to get it, unless they were trying to get as many GT3 cars as possible, which is unlikely.

I think we should get the Bentley GT3 because we only have one Bentley to being with. It doesn't make sense to have eight real GT3 cars then have a rehashed, made up car because it looks the part. The current racing Fords are way too quick to fit in with the GT3 cars. The Test Car is on the heels of the worst LMP cars in the handling department alone.

I'd love it if we got the Bentley, but I'd love to get a few Continental GT Road cars first, then get the GT3 when the "production" version is released.

 

[AMPMROCKETFANN]

Keep in mind we also have the '09 Audi R8 LMS Team Playstation. That is a GT3 car as well. Just like the plain coloured R8 LMS's we have too. They could be good "grid fillers" as well.

If they model the Z06 to GT3 spec and the black Ford GT Test car to GT3 spec then we have a half full grid!

Thank you, A_Higher_Place! I've been saying that all this thread! However the Spec II normal colored car should also be upgraded to GT3 specs.

Those are not GT3 or GT1 cars, though. Those are fictional racing cars and would be un-competitive with real GT3 machinery in the game. I figured I'd reinforce the point. The Mercedes SLS AMG GT3 Race car has been shown without a livery, just because we're requesting the Matech Ford GT GT3 doesn't mean we'd have to get the Matech livery (Matech made the cars, hence the name).

The Marc VDS Livery is very attractive, I don't see why that would be outside the realm of possibility.

Not really sure what you mean when you say to leave the Z06 alone, but I really won't expect the Camaro GT3 as anything more than a RM. It's not really a factory backed effort as far as I'm aware, and the car is only run by a handful of teams, so I can't see why PD would go out of their way to get it, unless they were trying to get as many GT3 cars as possible, which is unlikely

1. See above section of quote
2. What I mean is leave the horsepower specs on the Z06 RM alone.
3. That would be interesting if it was an RM, because there is already a Camaro RM that is a GT4 car. This would mean one of 3 things: that car will be replaced by the GT3 version, both remain but GT3 car is included as separate model. Finally, Both are called Camaro RM and the RM option now has a choice. Oh Camaro GT3 pic for reference

 

[Snaeper]

Thank you, A_Higher_Place! I've been saying that all this thread! However the Spec II normal colored car should also be upgraded to GT3 specs.

1. See above section of quote

I'm confused, so you you're saying you want to make the Spec II car into a GT3 Ford, but not the actual GT3 Ford? Why not just model the actual GT3 Ford again? Especially when the Spec II is well above the GT3 in terms of specs (and is basically a road-going Ford GT with a wing attached).

You are entitled to your opinion, but what you're suggesting is not a popular nor entirely wise decision. Lets have the Spec II car for the people who want the fast fantasy Ford GT, and lets have the Matech GT3 for the people who want to live out their GT3 fantasies. That way, for once, when I enter an event in Gran Turismo, all of the cars in the event are cars that should be there. (Example: The DTM races having DTM cars... and then the M3 GT and R8 LMS)

2. What I mean is leave the horsepower specs on the Z06 RM alone.

I'm still confused by this statement. I'm suggesting that the car should be given the proper horsepower specs of the car it visually represents (that being the Callaway Z06.R), since it doesn't have any set horsepower specs in the game (it being an RM means you can modify it however which way you want, afterall). My original suggestion was the car should have a GT3 tuning package, so those who want to make the Z06.R replica can do so with the package, while others who want an 800hp GT monster can still have that cake as well.

A_Higher_Place makes the same suggestion and you agree with him (so much so you point it out to me) but you don't agree with me?

3. That would be interesting if it was an RM, because there is already a Camaro RM that is a GT4 car. This would mean one of 3 things: that car will be replaced by the GT3 version, both remain but GT3 car is included as separate model. Finally, Both are called Camaro RM and the RM option now has a choice. Oh Camaro GT3 pic for reference

Or, the GT3 would be the RM for a potential Camaro ZL1, while the SS would retain it's GT4-style'd RM. But even in that respect, I'm not really going to expect to see the Camaro GT3 in the game, even though I'd like to. It's far too new and far too under-used in any racing series. I keep having to search it up in Google to see if anyone actually did anything with it. Lo and behold my surprise when they were actually racing it!

 

[05XR8]

I still don't count the 458 out just yet. The Dinosaur is coming to the game and Ferrari allowed the F1's. I'm sure they'd let the 458GT3 shine to up the numbers in the game. I hope they come out with a press release stating the 458 GT3, FF, DINO, 599 GTO are coming. Heck, I'll take the 430 GT3.

But, for realness(?) sake, the 2 R8's, 1 SLS GT3, 1 GT-R GT3 are not enough for their own GT MODE EVENT. They'll fit into Super GT and an All- Star Event. I am hoping there are more.

 

[A_Higher_Place]

I still don't count the 458 out just yet. The Dinosaur is coming to the game and Ferrari allowed the F1's. I'm sure they'd let the 458GT3 shine to up the numbers in the game. I hope they come out with a press release stating the 458 GT3, FF, DINO, 599 GTO are coming. Heck, I'll take the 430 GT3.

But, for realness(?) sake, the 2 R8's, 1 SLS GT3, 1 GT-R GT3 are not enough for their own GT MODE EVENT. They'll fit into Super GT and an All- Star Event. I am hoping there are more.

You're right, a 458 and 430 and most welcome to the GT3 grid. Heck, bring back the Maserati's from 2010 FIA. As long as there's a fantasy GT3 where all cars are damn near equal I'm happy.

I'm hoping for an Aston Martin GT3 of some sort. Then that will be the only car I'd ever drive on the game.

I'm also hoping they do a 4 hour Nurburgring or Spa Race with the GT3 cars!


I don't really think GT3 cars are SUPER GT 300 cars...are they? Some one correct if I'm wrong but I think the GT3 spec cars are more powerful..

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

I agree with Snaeper's comment about the Ford GT. The Ford GT GT3 Car should be put in the game while keeping the GT LM Race Cars as is.

Anyway, I hope those cars aren't all PD is giving. They need to learn to put more of each racing category in GT rather than just small samples.

 

[A_Higher_Place]

I agree with Snaeper's comment about the Ford GT. The Ford GT GT3 Car should be put in the game while keeping the GT LM Race Cars as is.

Anyway, I hope those cars aren't all PD is giving. They need to learn to put more of each racing category in GT rather than just small samples.

I agree, let whoever have what they want. The less limiting the better:tup:.

Can you imagine? 6 FIA GT3 cars added, 6 2012/2013 DTMs, and 6 new LMP1/2 cars added?

That would cover a lot of people on this forum. But that's a discussion for another thread.

Give us 6 new GT3 spec cars with different liverys haha!

 

[dr_slump]

You're right, a 458 and 430 and most welcome to the GT3 grid. Heck, bring back the Maserati's from 2010 FIA. As long as there's a fantasy GT3 where all cars are damn near equal I'm happy.

I'm hoping for an Aston Martin GT3 of some sort. Then that will be the only car I'd ever drive on the game.

I'm also hoping they do a 4 hour Nurburgring or Spa Race with the GT3 cars!


I don't really think GT3 cars are SUPER GT 300 cars...are they? Some one correct if I'm wrong but I think the GT3 spec cars are more powerful..

GT300 cars have 300hp, whereas GT3 cars have usually over 500hp.

 

[hawkeye122]

GT300 cars have 300hp, whereas GT3 cars have usually over 500hp.

FIA GT3 cars are actually now outnumbering the traditional GT300 cars, and beating them as well. This article is a year old, but Racecar Engineering usually know what theyr'e talking about...

GT300 cars probably have 300 horsepower in the same way that rally cars are only supposed to have 300. We all know they dont, and thats more of a name than an actual rule.

 

[Snaeper]

You're right, a 458 and 430 and most welcome to the GT3 grid. Heck, bring back the Maserati's from 2010 FIA. As long as there's a fantasy GT3 where all cars are damn near equal I'm happy.

I'm hoping for an Aston Martin GT3 of some sort. Then that will be the only car I'd ever drive on the game.

I'm also hoping they do a 4 hour Nurburgring or Spa Race with the GT3 cars!


I don't really think GT3 cars are SUPER GT 300 cars...are they? Some one correct if I'm wrong but I think the GT3 spec cars are more powerful..

All of these are ideal uses of the GT3 licensed cars. Endurance and Sprint races of all sorts. I'm expecting one of the two Aston's to be in the game and will be genuinely disappointed if neither make it within a year of release (More GT3 cars as DLC is a good possibility).

And GT3 cars are being modified for SuperGT GT300 use. They've become so popular that they're driving most of the old, glorious, home-grown GT300 cars out. The class is almost dominated by GT3 cars now. And yes, they are detuned to 300hp.

For 2013, there are 19 GT3-based GT300 Cars, and only 4 Local Japanese machines (A Prius, two CR-Z's, and the BRZ pictured below)

I agree, let whoever have what they want. The less limiting the better:tup:.

Can you imagine? 6 FIA GT3 cars added, 6 2012/2013 DTMs, and 6 new LMP1/2 cars added?

That would cover a lot of people on this forum. But that's a discussion for another thread.

Give us 6 new GT3 spec cars with different liverys haha!

I would be honestly disappointed if they didn't include these 8 GT3 cars:

• Ferrari F458 GT3
• Aston Martin Vantage GT3
• Audi R8 LMS Ultra
• BMW E89 Z4 GT3
• Lamborghini Gallardo LP600 GT3
• Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG GT3
• McLaren MP4-12C GT3
• Nissan GT-R Nismo

I'd also love to see 6-7 S2000 Touring cars, 6-7 Group A Touring cars, 6-7 Super Touring cars, etc.

 

[RIKY-WRC]

That list of cars you have mentioned is the list... I totally agree with you, Snaeper

 

[Snaeper]

That list of cars you have mentioned is the list... I totally agree with you, Snaeper

And that list is the only thing that I'm foolheartedly hoping for. I've learned to expect nothing from PD, so that I can enjoy GT. I didn't expect much from GT5, and I enjoyed it (there were many headaches mind you, but I never hated it).

But if PD can't get license those 8 cars, I will be generally dumbstruck. They're 3 out of the 8 right now, so it's not out of this realm to expect the other 5.

 

[dr_slump]

FIA GT3 cars are actually now outnumbering the traditional GT300 cars, and beating them as well. This article is a year old, but Racecar Engineering usually know what theyr'e talking about...

GT300 cars probably have 300 horsepower in the same way that rally cars are only supposed to have 300. We all know they dont, and thats more of a name than an actual rule.

The real JAF GT300 cars were running at 300hp in 2012, at least at the beginning (and I'm quite sure they didn't change that under the season). Don't know how it is in 2013.

If they decided to give them more power simply because the GT3 cars were dominating, then that would a farce!


Where in that article does it say anything about the power of JAF GT300 cars?

 

[05XR8]

Exactly. Even for DLC it's a possibility. I too would be a bit disappointed if we don't see the Z4 ( and sorry to drum this up moderators and realists) and last years Super GT300 Championship winning 911GT3-R in the game(at some point even if it's the only one)

Read this feature about the GT300 SLS GT3 500PS is about 496hp
http://www.speedhunters.com/2012/10/gullwing-racer-shift-gt300-sls/

 

[Tenacious D]

I'd also love to see 6-7 S2000 Touring cars, 6-7 Group A Touring cars, 6-7 Super Touring cars, etc.

Make that 16 of each and I agree. If I've said this already, I still think it stands repeating: that PD put as many racing leagues in GT6 as they can, of various performance levels. Fantasy leagues are fine, fantasy liveries are fine, just give them to me.

 

[HKS racer]

Make that 16 of each and I agree. If I've said this already, I still think it stands repeating: that PD put as many racing leagues in GT6 as they can, of various performance levels. Fantasy leagues are fine, fantasy liveries are fine, just give them to me.

I have the feeling lots of people will be disappointed. Do not expect PD to add entire series just hope they can let you decide what to do with the stuff the put in the game (Custom Event Creator, AI cars selector, Livery Editor).

 

[Tenacious D]

Not necessarily. PD seems to be providing the entire infrastructure in GT6 for a number of league based activities. In order to have a racing league, you need

• Cars
• Tracks
• Sponsors
• Rules

And yes, that last one can be a bummer to implement. A number of racing games have tipped the hat to league rules, but have only implemented them in the most basic ways, and PD could go that route.

In fact, they could do as you say and not do anything in this regard. Just give us a big game to play through like GT4 with lots of events which have little or nothing to do with each other, and dump a whole gob of user creation tools in or laps to do all the league building ourselves. We could have an "administrative body" of advisers and league builders here who would create racing leagues, and give advice to those of us who want to do it ourselves. Hey, I'd be fine with that.

To a point. I don't have gobs of free time to devote to an online club or league, and a good deal of gamers don't either. We need something that's there with the press of a button when we have an hour or two to enjoy ourselves. And something like what I want isn't all that much more complicated than what they did in GT3, with theme based racing series up to 20 races long. Do something similar that requires certain cars and tire types, have a few other rules to adhere to, string together 20 races or more with points and stat tracking, and you sort of have a de facto league.

There is that dreaded licensing thing PD would have to work through, but surely there are racing organizations that aren't as expensive and ruthless as Formula 1. NASCAR isn't the only league who wants to be represented in Gran Turismo. But like I said, in lieu of nothing at all, I'd be happy with fantasy leagues based on the big boys of DTM, ALMS, WRC and all that.

We'll see by September.

 

[somebodysb2]

they are detuned to 300hp.

Wrong. FIA GT3 cars that race in SGT are not detuned to 300 horsepower. JAF-GT cars themselves don't all have 300 horsepower. GT300 is just a name. Click through the official website, power figures are listed for most of the cars.

However, there is no power figure that is constantly maintained, as BoP is subject to change over time.

As for the Matech Ford, I'm sure you would know that Matech is in bankruptcy and that their cars are old spec. Lambda has purchased their assets and are now building cars themselves.

For the SLS GT3 (2011) and GT-R GT3 (2013) already in the game, PD lists the cars at 493BHP and 542BHP respectfully. Forza lists there SLS GT3 (2011) at 550BHP. I'm fine with the SLS GT3 being from 2011 because Mercedes never made an upgrade package. They just released the car and forgot about it.

 

[HKS racer]

@T D
They said something about online club and league support. But they shouldn't forget "offline leagues", I don't have time for online racing either. I just hope they realise people are tired of "Japanese classics" events. We need either more logic from them or freedom, let's do our own stuff! But I have the feeling PD is really that closed minded.