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Fingers crossed for a Biden/Yang ticket, which would invariably lead to a Yang presidency and then all our problems are over.
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Yeah, well "democracy" can mean a lot of different things. Although Americans like to congratulate themselves on their "democracy", the history & present reality of democracy on the United States is pretty compromised, unfair & illogical ... as it is in a lot of other countries. As Churchill famously put it:
"it has been said that democracy is. the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time."
I think Americans, well at least Democrats so far, have made a reasonable calculation that having Biden in the White House would represent a huge step in the right direction away from Trumpism. When your house is on fire you don't argue about the interior decoration, you put out the fire. Biden appears as the person who can best bring a renewed sense of unity & common purpose back. Sanders certainly would not be able to achieve that.
OK, Biden misspeaks at times. Trump misspeaks all the time. He has the worst words & frequently sounds like a complete idiot. But worse than that, he is constantly lying, making deliberately inflammatory or misleading statements. And then a lot of his statements are driven, not by any political ideology at all (whatever you may think of that particular ideology), but simply by naked narcissism. Just getting away from that would be a huge step in the right direction. Sad that it's come to that, but that's what it is.
As far as Yang is concerned, there no chance he would be named the VP (IMO), but a strong possibility he would be appointed to some position within a Biden cabinet. The following 4 years would be a time for a new generation of leadership to emerge in the Democratic party ... & hopefully for the demise of Trumpism in the Republican party.
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I disagree. While Obama certainly divided opinions, he didn't feed into it as Trump has. Trump's rhetoric alone fires up his fan base and furthers the divide. He's also made his fan base not trust most news sources even when those news sources are being factual.
Personally, I think Obama wasn't a good president. But Trump came along and showed me that maybe Obama wasn't that bad. I still don't want Obama back in the White House though.
As for Trump, he's horrible for the country. He's awful at foreign relations, he doesn't understand how the economy works, he breaks the law, he ignores the Constitution, and he's blatantly corrupt (instead of being secretly corrupt like most politicians).
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Not sure, I don't know enough about all 45 presidents to give you an educated answer. Presidents that have served in my lifetime though? I don't think any of them have been great. Sure, they've done some good things but overall I wouldn't say they're really fantastic leaders. I mean I guess if I had to pick, it would probably be some of the earlier presidents, including Washington.
With Obama, I probably would've been ok with him if he hadn't continued wars across the globe for his entire eight years in office. Also, I think his Affordable Care Act made our healthcare system worse because of the awful implementation of Meaningful Use. Past that, he wasn't horrible for the country like Trump is. He was well-spoken, seemed to have a good family, and wasn't really involved in any major scandal. I think he was decent-ish on the foreign relations front, at least with our allies. Although anyone who doesn't openly mock our allies on Twitter is doing decent-ish.
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George W. wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer & probably not really fit to be President - but he wasn't a loudmouthed, narcissistic ignoramus either. What's disturbing is that apparently about 30% of the American population believe that a loudmouthed, narcissistic ignoramus is the perfect person to have as President of the most powerful country on earth.
Given that you hold extreme political beliefs ... or let's just say "minority" political beliefs, it's not surprising that you don't think any of the Presidents that have served in your lifetime were "great". A number of the Presidents in my lifetime made terrible decisions that led to severe consequences, notably Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon & George W., many of the Presidents had significant personal flaws, but not one of them (not even Nixon) was a complete horse's ass like Trump.
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If anyone's still interested: Biden was good, surprisingly good, in the debate tonight. He was coherent, quite articulate & focused. Bernie was his usual self. The exchanges were strong, but respectful & civil. They both look undeniably old, although Biden looks the more fragile of the two. Big take-away: Biden flat-out stated that his VP would be a woman.
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I can see it now, him starting the announcement by saying she is the wife of a former president, only for it to be Michelle.
On a serious note, it will be interesting to see how the election plays out the longer COVID-19 plays havoc. Trump has done a terrible job handling it, but his opponents have been massively overshadowed to the point the election seems like an afterthought.
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Danoff made an interested point the other day (as he often does) regarding voting policy/platform vs voting character/principals. Is it better to have a president you disagree with on policy but feel has the integrity, character, principles, and leadership ability to do the job in good faith? I actually think yes. What are your thoughts?
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Well, I would just say he "exceeded expectations". I don't expect it will do anything to change "the Republican narrative", however. People will believe what they are told to believe.
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Trump 2020!!!
I don't believe in a lot of the stuff you do, I don't believe that Trump is a crook. There is a lot of fake news out there and a lot of fake stories.
Trump has been saying the same thing since the 1980's
He is doing a great job.
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This is only my opinion but I don't see those statements as compatible.
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Except that you are losing friends in foreign policy fast and the whole world is turning away from the US. The United States has become very unappealing to most around here, to travel to, to trade with, to look for as inspiration. But I guess that was what they hoped to acheive so well played.
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It's a fascinating perspective. It's not about news stories, whether they're fake or otherwise, it's about the things that come out of Trump's own mouth.
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Illinois has their primary tomorrow. Debating on going over to vote even though the polling place is within walking distance.
Trump don't need help, and Biden is predicted to win the state easily. Plus avoiding an extra stop at a public place and avoiding germ covered voting machines seems like a good idea.
Trump don't need help, and Biden is predicted to win the state easily. Plus avoiding an extra stop at a public place and avoiding germ covered voting machines seems like a good idea.
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It seems a little odd the media is almost completely ignoring Biden's sexual assault allegation, especially when it had an absolute field day with Kavanaugh's.
https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/joe-biden-metoo-times-up/
Don't get me wrong, it continues to puzzle me why anyone would wait so long to bring up the allegation, but the same exact thing happened with Kavanaugh. It was his word versus her word and it happened decades earlier. Still, we went through the process of investigating because we should investigate that sort of stuff. With Biden, we're just going to ignore it?
I have no idea if the claim is true or not, although Biden reminds me of the kind of creep that's probably committed several acts of sexual assault. That's not enough to convict the man obviously, but public opinion and image is really important whether it's true or not.
And if Biden does get the nomination, this will probably be the first election where candidates from both major parties are potential rapists, so at least we got that going for us.
https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/joe-biden-metoo-times-up/
Don't get me wrong, it continues to puzzle me why anyone would wait so long to bring up the allegation, but the same exact thing happened with Kavanaugh. It was his word versus her word and it happened decades earlier. Still, we went through the process of investigating because we should investigate that sort of stuff. With Biden, we're just going to ignore it?
I have no idea if the claim is true or not, although Biden reminds me of the kind of creep that's probably committed several acts of sexual assault. That's not enough to convict the man obviously, but public opinion and image is really important whether it's true or not.
And if Biden does get the nomination, this will probably be the first election where candidates from both major parties are potential rapists, so at least we got that going for us.
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He reminds me of a creepy old guy that would probably pinch a waitresses ass and try to grope the beer cart girl on the golf course. He also reminds me of the type that wouldn't take "no" as an answer from any girl he tried to make a move on, and it wouldn't surprise me if we found out he cheated constantly on his wife with much, much younger women (like 20-year-olds, not 10-year-olds). His persona is just sleazy in my opinion.
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You can't go saying stuff like that without evidence. People have to be judged by what they actually do, not by what somebody thinks they look like they might do. It certainly would appear that Biden's a bit of a "hair-sniffer" & perhaps somewhat inappropriately touchy-feely, but it would require some concrete evidence to make assumptions beyond that.
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You do know getting touchy-feely with someone who doesn't want it is sexual assault, right?
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...flores-touching-women-media-history-explained
https://thefederalist.com/2015/01/0...-on-handsy-joe-biden-if-he-were-conservative/
https://www.usnews.com/news/article...e-biden-being-joe-biden-with-ash-carters-wife
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2015/02/9-times-joe-biden-whispered-in-womens-ears.html
If he's that brazen in front of cameras and an international audience, it wouldn't shock me if he's worse when away from the spotlight. Regardless, if he did or did not rape Reade, there's plenty of other times he acted incredibly inappropriate that I think I'm within my right to call him a sleazeball and someone who commits sexual assault.
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Washington? I mean he technically wasn't born in the USA because it was British colonies at the time of his birth.
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