The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread

GTPlanet Exit Poll - Which Presidential Ticket Did You Vote For?

  • Trump/Pence

    Votes: 16 27.1%
  • Biden/Harris

    Votes: 20 33.9%
  • Jorgensen/Cohen

    Votes: 7 11.9%
  • Hawkins/Walker

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • La Riva/Freeman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • De La Fuente/Richardson

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Blankenship/Mohr

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Carroll/Patel

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Simmons/Roze

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Charles/Wallace

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 15 25.4%

  • Total voters
    59
  • Poll closed .
So the boxes, the boxes that everyone was bitching about, the boxes that remain, those boxes, those are the most superficial part of this whole story? Pfff.

Yes. The fact that there are still boxes, somewhere, that look different, and are used differently, in order to comply with the law, is definitely the most superficial part of the story. And I'm shocked, shocked, that you went with exactly what I predicted.
 
This afternoon I listened to a piece on the local NPR station commenting how new voter registration is way down in New York state. The explanation was that this was due to the problems created by Covid. So much for the projected increased participation of young people in this election. :indiff:
 
Now, it'd be great if you answered my, Famine's and Eunos_Cosmo's other questions, particuarly are you OK with Trump denying an American Citizen their 5th Amendment rights, and why do you defend this man constantly? A man who has demonestrated to not care about your, my, or anybody elses Constitutional rights?
Are you okay with this? Why?
I don't think Trump is doing any such thing. I think that the whole idea is absurd. That is why I brought up death squads, because that is what you guys are implying.
 
A man who has demonestrated to not care about your, my, or anybody elses Constitutional rights?

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I don't think Trump is doing any such thing.
He said it. They're his words.
We sent in the US Marshals, took 15 minutes and it was over... 15 minutes it was over, we got him. They knew who he was, they didn’t want to arrest him, and 15 minutes that ended. Anywaaaah.
This guy was a violent criminal, and the U.S. Marshals killed him. And I will tell you something, that’s the way it has to be. There has to be retribution when you have crime like this.
I think that the whole idea is absurd.
As do I. A sitting President denying 5A protections to citizens is... absurd. It's just incredible, and it's indefensible.

But apparently he's being defended.

That is why I brought up death squads, because that is what you guys are implying.
Again, I didn't imply any such thing. I directly asked you if you were okay with the President of the USA denying 5A protections, and why.

You don't want to answer this for some reason, and instead want to bring up something I haven't said or implied.
 
some mindfulness of debt is a factor which is under threat of more open socialism
I think it's funny to accuse "socialists" in the USA of being unmindful of debt given the President's huge personal financial liabilities.

Again, I didn't imply any such thing. I directly asked you if you were okay with the President of the USA denying 5A protections, and why.

You don't want to answer this for some reason, and instead want to bring up something I haven't said or implied.
Asked and answered.
I don't think Trump is doing any such thing. I think that the whole idea is absurd.
But he is though. Habeas corpus is a thing. Trump says it isn't. Deny it all you want.
 
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Asked and answered.

No, you didn't. Now you're being straight dishonest, and to a moderator no less.

Trump literally stated that he sent the National Guard to kill someone, and you've been given proof at least twice of him doing so. You denying it doesn't change that. You've also be asked specifically if you're ok with the president denying someone their 5A rights from multiple users (as well as why), and continue to skirt around the question.
 
No, you didn't. Now you're being straight dishonest, and to a moderator no less.

Trump literally stated that he sent the National Guard to kill someone, and you've been given proof at least twice of him doing so. You denying it doesn't change that. You've also be asked specifically if you're ok with the president denying someone their 5A rights from multiple users (as well as why), and continue to skirt around the question.

For completeness there is one more outstanding issue - which is why, even if he didn't mean it (tough sell there), and he didn't do it (easier sell), why did he say it, and why is it ok for him to say it.

But this is (absolutely crucial) nuance. The guy had it coming, this is as far as Trumpeteers need think.
 
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Asked and answered.
I don't think Trump is doing any such thing. I think that the whole idea is absurd.
Famine literally quoted the words which prove 100% factually that Trump is doing such a thing...

He said it. They're his words.

This guy was a violent criminal, and the U.S. Marshals killed him. And I will tell you something, that’s the way it has to be. There has to be retribution when you have crime like this.
If you can't make sense of that then you're illiterate. The president said that the US Marshals have to kill violent criminals. Ask your third grade English teacher if you had one and they can do ya one of those little sentence diagrams to prove that's what Trump's statement means.

*slaps dictionary* This bad boy can fit so many meaningless noises in it
 
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For completeness there is one more outstanding issue - which is why, even if he didn't mean it (tough sell there), and he didn't do it (easier sell), why did he say it, and why is it ok for him to say it.

Probably some absolutely ridiculous, nonsensical reason like "owning the libs."

Because nothing quite rustles libtard jimmies like having a president who "jokes" about actively denying people their God-given constitutional rights! /s
 
A President who continuously boasts about law and order, likes seeing protesters pushed by police, says retribution is the way it has to be.

But c'mon guys, he's just saying dumb things and not actually condoning it.
 
Trump is such a red-blooded Catholic that he jokes about denying things handed down by God himself. Tee hee hee.

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"I've seen one of these things. Motel 6, 1981, Atlantic City. One of these things was in the night stand." "This isn't one of these King James bibles is it? Get me an American bible. Jesus was an American, everybody knows that." "Where is the verse that says thou shalt obey Trump?" "Get ahold of Pence and have him contact God to add an eleventh commandment, Thou shall not covet thy neighbors wife unless she's hot, under 30, and from Eastern Europe, then she's fair game".
 
No, you didn't. Now you're being straight dishonest, and to a moderator no less.

Trump literally stated that he sent the National Guard to kill someone, and you've been given proof at least twice of him doing so. You denying it doesn't change that. You've also be asked specifically if you're ok with the president denying someone their 5A rights from multiple users (as well as why), and continue to skirt around the question.
I was told Trump was violating the 5A. I was asked what I thought about it. I said I don't think he was violating the 5A, and that I thought the notion was absurd. That is my opinion, that was my answer. The way the question was put to me it might as well have been "when did you stop beating your wife?".
Famine literally quoted the words which prove 100% factually that Trump is doing such a thing...
Saying and doing are two different things. This was at a campaign event.

Biden said this at a campaign event, "If the president had done his job, had done his job from the beginning, all the people would still be alive. All the people. I'm not making this up. Just look at the data.". Should Biden be held to account for such libelous treachery? Of course not. He was campaigning. So was Trump.
 
No, it wasn't. It was during an interview with Fox as the sitting President. :odd:
During a Saturday interview on Fox, Trump said he supported the Marshals shooting Reinoehl, who was accused of killing far-right activist Aaron “Jay” Danielson in Portland last month.

“The U.S. Marshals went in to get [Reinoehl], and, in a short period of time, they ended up in a gunfight. This guy was a violent criminal, and the U.S. Marshals killed him. And I will tell you something, that’s the way it has to be. There has to be retribution when you have crime like this,” Trump said.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...endorses-us-marshals-killing-suspect-1058875/

The purposely blindness approach you're sharing is sadly predictable by now. He is openly saying during an interview the Marshals killing Reinoehl is the way it has to be because there has to be retribution; in blatant terms, Reinoehl has to die in return for killing someone else. This is a clear cut avoidance of the 5A by a sitting President, not a campaigning candidate.
 
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No, it wasn't. It was during an interview with Fox as the sitting President. :odd:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...endorses-us-marshals-killing-suspect-1058875/

The purposely blindness approach you're sharing is sadly predictable by now. He is openly saying during an interview the Marshals killing Reinoehl is the way it has to be because there has to be retribution; in blatant terms, Reinoehl has to die in return for killing someone else. This is a clear cut avoidance of the 5A by a sitting President, not a campaigning candidate.
Trump: "...they ended up in a gunfight.". This clearly indicates that Trump thinks the kill was appropriate. And if true, it was.
 
Trump: "...they ended up in a gunfight.". This clearly indicates that Trump thinks the kill was appropriate. And if true, it was.
According to Trump, the guy you said just say dumb things, a guy who also repeatedly lies.

Because what he says and what the people who were there say are much different.
Dingess said he saw Reinoehl walk toward his car holding a cellphone in his hand when two unmarked law enforcement vehicles converged outside the complex in the 7600 block of Third Way Southeast last Thursday night. Officers began firing at Reinoehl, according to a statement issued by Dingess' lawyer, Luke Laughlin, on his behalf.

“Officers shot multiple rapid-fire rounds at Reinoehl before issuing a brief ‘stop’ command, quickly followed by more rapid-fire shooting by additional officers,” according to the statement.

Other witnesses told The Olympian the night of the shooting that Rienoehl had a gun, and they reported hearing dozens of gunshots fired before Reinoehl lay dead in the street. An officer was caught on one witness' video doing CPR on Reinoehl as he was motionless in the street.

Police have said Reinoehld was found with a handgun but have not said if he fired any shots at officers.
https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/20...at-michael-reinoehl-outside-wa-apartment.html

The police themselves did not even confirm Trump's claim about a gunfight.

The main point you purposely choose to ignore is that a sitting President isn't supposed to call death the "retribution when you have crime like this". The retribution for a crime like this is sentencing him through the court. Death was the unfortunate outcome of the interaction, it's not supposed to be the outcome as Trump openly says.
 
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The main point you purposely choose to ignore is that a sitting President isn't supposed to call death the "retribution when you have crime like this". The retribution for a crime like this is sentencing him through the court. Death was the unfortunate outcome of the interaction, it's not supposed to be the outcome as Trump openly says.
So we have gone from Trump's death squads, to Trump's semantics in one evening. Nice! :lol:
 
I was told Trump was violating the 5A.

Yes, because Trump has (at least twice, it seems) publicly admitted to doing so.

I was asked what I thought about it.

This is what you were asked:

Trump said that federal agents under his control went with the express intent of not arresting this man (a suspect in a crime, not a convicted criminal), and that's the way it has to be. That's denying him due process as stated in 5A, and Trump defending it as a normal situation... for someone suspected of a crime.

Are you okay with this? Why?

And you've attempted to twist it around as if someone asked you if you think Trump is denying people their 5th Amendement rights. Trump has not only admitted this, he's also said it's the way things have to be. You've also avoided my and Eunos_Cosmo's question as to why you continue to defend Trump (I know that I've personally asked you several times previously).

It's obvious, though not surprising, that you're going out of your way to be purposely dishonest.

I said I don't think he was violating the 5A, and that I thought the notion was absurd.

And several individuals in this thread have shown you evidence from President Trump himself stating that U.S. Marshalls under Trumps command were sent to kill Michael Reinoehl with no intention of bringing him to justice. According to McLaren's post, it appears he said this at least twice.

Saying and doing are two different things.

The president shouldn't be saying and/or doing such things in the first place, yet Trump has publicly admitted to violating a citizens 5A rights. If such clear disregard to the constitution doesn't show that he's unfit to be president, than I honestly don't know what does.

This was at a campaign event.

Yes, a campaign event for and hosted by the sitting president, whose job it is to uphold and defend the constitution. During which, he literally said that he sent federal agents to kill a man, with no intention to bring him to justice for his crimes, and further stated that such action had to be taken as "retribution," which is a direct and purposeful violation of his job to protect and uphold the constitution. The idea that these statements directly from the current sitting president are even remotely excusable because "they were made during a campaign event" is absolutely laughable.

And if it somehow does turn out that Trump was "joking," that still leaves the problem of the president "joking" about denying citizens their constitution rights for being suspected of a crime, as well as the president "joking" about endorsing government-sanctioned extrajudicial homicide. Will you defend that as well, if that turns out to be the case? If so, why?

Biden said this at a campaign event, "If the president had done his job, had done his job from the beginning, all the people would still be alive. All the people. I'm not making this up. Just look at the data.". Should Biden be held to account for such libelous treachery? Of course not. He was campaigning. So was Trump.

Considering that Biden is A) Currently not the president, and B) not endorsing government-sponsored, extrajudicial homicide, that is an absolutely craptastic comparison.

Nice attempt at deflection, though.
 
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