The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread

[Keef]

@GranTurNismo I don't know about any of that. The people I know are millennials who came here as refugees during childhood. For whatever reason they're literally sweating terrified of communism and they think "the left" will transition to full blown communism overnight. They're completely irrational and delusional. Having school children practice nuclear raid drills during the Cold War was more rational than these people.

 

[Danoff]

They are not simply "allowed". Concessions were made. It "didn't even go to court" because concessions were made.

You're completely right, and @Chrunch Houston isn't interested. The most superficial parts of the story didn't change, so it's time to declare victory. This is how Trumpism works. All of the important "meaty" bits are wrong. But the superficial bun is left standing - so it kinda sorta looks like a burger if you don't sweat details like meat. So they hold up their nothingburger and claim victory. It was the same for impeachment.

The same also applies to @Famine's example of extrajudicial killing. I can already hear the response to it which is "that scumbag? who cares if they were killed? good riddance!". And that's it! The most superficial part of the story is the only part that matters, just the bun. The meat is inconsequential.

The same is true of George Floyd.

 

[McLaren]

Though only after he wins.

He's only tired of hearing it b/c it's pretty much the one thing that sank his chances of re-election.

And I'll bet someone Premium if he wins, he's going to seriously propose a herd immunity route.

 

[UKMikey]

All of the important "meaty" bits are wrong. But the superficial bun is left standing - so it kinda sorta looks like a burger if you don't sweat details like meat. So they hold up their nothingburger and claim victory.

Considering it's the Republican Party in California jubilating in this instance, I guess they feel compelled to celebrate their precious few "victories" over the libs wherever they can, no matter how imaginary or fleeting they might be.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Any comment on the President stating that 5A doesn't exist, when he said that if you commit a crime and the federal officials sent after you don't feel like arresting you and kill you, that's the way it has to be?

The guy resisted arrest so Trump, who must have been in contact with the agents on the ground, ordered his execution. That sounds about right.

False, false, falsefalsefalse false this is so false I'm screaming a high note.

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/16/9239...reats-over-gop-unauthorized-ballot-drop-boxes




They are not simply "allowed". Concessions were made. It "didn't even go to court" because concessions were made.

Yes, because that is why everyone's hair was on fire here. Because the Republicans had placed some boxes outside and no one was standing by the boxes. Oh, and even I complained about the labeling.

You're completely right, and @Chrunch Houston isn't interested. The most superficial parts of the story didn't change, so it's time to declare victory.

So the boxes, the boxes that everyone was bitching about, the boxes that remain, those boxes, those are the most superficial part of this whole story? Pfff.

 

[Famine]

The guy resisted arrest

This was not corroborated by eyewitnesses, who said the US Marshals swarmed him and started shooting; he had an untouched gun in a case in the car, and a handgun on his person but in his pocket.

However, this isn't directly relevant to the point - because it's further downstream than the point. The point is contained in what Trump said.

so Trump, who must have been in contact with the agents on the ground, ordered his execution. That sounds about right.

This is not what Trump said. Trump said this:

We sent in the US Marshals, took 15 minutes and it was over... 15 minutes it was over, we got him. They knew who he was, they didn’t want to arrest him, and 15 minutes that ended. Anywaaaah.

Trump said that federal agents under his control went with the express intent of not arresting this man. That's denying him due process as stated in 5A. Trump also said this:

This guy was a violent criminal, and the U.S. Marshals killed him. And I will tell you something, that’s the way it has to be. There has to be retribution when you have crime like this.

Trump said that federal agents under his control went with the express intent of not arresting this man (a suspect in a crime, not a convicted criminal), and that's the way it has to be. That's denying him due process as stated in 5A, and Trump defending it as a normal situation... for someone suspected of a crime.


Are you okay with this? Why?

So the boxes, the boxes that everyone was bitching about, the boxes that remain, those boxes, those are the most superficial part of this whole story? Pfff.

The boxes which have changed location, labelling, and monitoring, in response to a legal challenge from the secretary of state.

 

[Joey D]

This is not what Trump said. Trump said this:

Trump said that federal agents under his control went with the express intent of not arresting this man. That's denying him due process as stated in 5A. Trump also said this:

Trump said that federal agents under his control went with the express intent of not arresting this man (a suspect in a crime, not a convicted criminal), and that's the way it has to be. That's denying him due process as stated in 5A, and Trump defending it as a normal situation... for someone suspected of a crime.

Unfortunately, many of Trump's supporters think law enforcement should have the absolute right to play judge, jury, and executioner. I know more than one member here in the opinion forums even expressed this as well and couldn't understand when I kept bringing up the Bill of Rights. It's pretty concerning since I'd consider our judicial system here in the US to be founded on pretty sound principals and if it worked as intended, it would give everyone who's accused of a crime a fair shot at a trial. I know the way it's run today isn't perfect, but I still think I'd rather be in the judicial system here instead of say, Russia. Although I guess in Russia they'd just throw me out a window.

 

[Tornado]

The same also applies to @Famine's example of extrajudicial killing.

And Joey D's example from a couple of months ago of unidentified federal agents abducting people off of the streets in Portland into unmarked cars.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

This was not corroborated by eyewitnesses, who said the US Marshals swarmed him and started shooting; he had an untouched gun in a case in the car, and a handgun on his person but in his pocket.

However, this isn't directly relevant to the point. The point is what Trump said.

This is not what Trump said. Trump said this:

Trump said that federal agents under his control went with the express intent of not arresting this man. That's denying him due process as stated in 5A. Trump also said this:

Trump said that federal agents under his control went with the express intent of not arresting this man (a suspect in a crime, not a convicted criminal), and that's the way it has to be. That's denying him due process as stated in 5A, and Trump defending it as a normal situation... for someone suspected of a crime.


Are you okay with this? Why?

The boxes which have changed location, labelling, and monitoring, in response to a legal challenge from the secretary of state.

You have told that same story before. But you don't know what happened there, neither do I. I am sure there is an investigation.

As to Trump, well you should know by now he says a lot of dumb things. Just a couple of minutes after he said "they didn't want to arrest him" he said 85% of the people wearing the mask get infected.

I am sure those professional agents didn't just decide to off the guy for no reason at all. But if you want to claim Trump has death squads running around killing people, carry on.

 

[McLaren]

Boy, the mental gymnastics needed to declare that Trump is just saying dumb things, and therefore, still a totally acceptable person to vote for.

Like bragging about how he could just call up Exxon's CEO in a hypothetical situation about being given money willy nilly is just Trump being dumb, & not at all hypothetically suggesting an illegal act.

 

[Keef]

The guy resisted arrest

This isn't even my argument but I'm jumping in. None of the eyewitnesses say he resisted arrest. And even if he did, I wasn't aware that "resisting arrest" was a crime punishable by death without a trial.

...the boxes that remain...

Did you not read the part of the article that I quoted and highlighted in bold-ass black letters? The boxes do not remain. The only boxes they're allowed to use now are inside Republican party offices. There are no more boxes in public.

 

[NotThePrez]

As to Trump, well you should know by now he says a lot of dumb things.

The president of the United States gloated about using the National Guard to kill an American citizen (who was a suspect, mind you) and deny him his constitutional rights.

Joking, general idiocy or otherwise or not, that is completely unacceptable behavior from the president, nor should it be take lightly.

Just a couple of minutes after he said "they didn't want to arrest him" he said 85% of the people wearing the mask get infected.

Which is objectively incorrect, is him spreading false information that could potentially get people killed, is unacceptable behavior from the president, and should not be taken lightly.

I am sure those professional agents didn't just decide to off the guy for no reason at all. But if you want to claim Trump has death squads running around killing people, carry on.

He literally :censored:ing admitted to it! He admitted that "WE," aka him and/or his team, under his and/or his team's command, sent in the National Guard with no intention of arresting that man, and later said that that's how it has to be. The president himself said publicly, on record, that it's ok to wave a persons constitutional rights and commit government-sponsored extrajudicial homicide.

And you're seemingly ok with this? I know this isn't my argument, but Jesus-Tapdancing-Christ, man!

And in the event that he was "just saying dumb things," that is still horrid behavior from the man whose literal job is to uphold and defend the Constitution. Why are you constantly jumping through hoops to defend a man that clearly does not give a damn about your Constitutional rights?

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

As to Trump, well you should know by now he says a lot of dumb things. Just a couple of minutes after he said "they didn't want to arrest him" he said 85% of the people wearing the mask get infected.

Genuine question here: Why do you condone such behavior from the President of the United States?

 

[Blitz24]

Genuine question here: Why do you condone such behavior from the President of the United States?

Because he saved him 15% on his taxes?

 

[Keef]

There isn't much talk going on about the fact that a Democratic trifecta could push statehood for DC and Puerto Rico, likely solidifying Senate control for decades to come. I'd also like to know the opinion of a high-quality-Trump-immigrant furriner @Famine

 

[UKMikey]

There isn't much talk going on about the fact that a Democratic trifecta could push statehood for DC and Puerto Rico, likely solidifying Senate control for decades to come. I'd also like to know the opinion of a high-quality-Trump-immigrant furriner @Famine

There was plenty of talk on the America elections thread yesterday. It's not definite that PR would vote Dem.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

There isn't much talk going on about the fact that a Democratic trifecta could push statehood for DC and Puerto Rico, likely solidifying Senate control for decades to come. I'd also like to know the opinion of a high-quality-Trump-immigrant furriner @Famine

As a Californian, I'd also vote in favor of splitting our state in two to pick up more senate representation for the West Coast. It's incredible that 39 million people only have 2 senators to represent them...

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Did you not read the part of the article that I quoted and highlighted in bold-ass black letters? The boxes do not remain. The only boxes they're allowed to use now are inside Republican party offices. There are no more boxes in public

Screaming a high note, and posting in bold-ass black letters don't really have much affect on well, much.

The party says it intends to keep boxes at venues such as churches and gun shops.

https://www.politico.com/states/cal...publican-ballot-boxes-with-safeguards-1326076

Which is objectively incorrect, is him spreading false information that could potentially get people killed, is unacceptable behavior from the president, and should not be taken lightly.

He misspoke. Just like when Biden said 200 million Americans had died of covid. I am sure what he means is that 85% of covid positive people wore masks.

 

[Keef]

As a Californian, I'd also vote in favor of splitting our state in two to pick up more senate representation for the West Coast. It's incredible that 39 million people only have 2 senators to represent them...

The multi-California proposals are fascinating but probably farfetched. It probably would benefit everybody. What was the latest, most officialish proposal, something like five different states?

 

[UKMikey]

Screaming a high note, and posting in bold-ass black letters don't really have much affect on well, much.

OMG, you're still doubling down on this. The party can intend to put boxes wherever they like. As long as they're not deceiving people into thinking they're official ballot boxes no one is complaining.

The multi-California proposals are fascinating but probably farfetched. It probably would benefit everybody. What was the latest, most officialish proposal, something like five different states?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Californias

 

[Keef]

https://www.politico.com/states/cal...publican-ballot-boxes-with-safeguards-1326076

The link I posted both says that the California Attorney General said the GOP made concessions, and the same day a GOP spokesperson said they did not make concessions.

So I guess we'll have to wait and see which one of those two people actually has legal authority but I'd put about $3.50 on the California AG.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

As a Californian, I'm satisfied with the concessions the GOP made on the ballot boxes. They tried to be cute and they were set straight.

 

[Keef]

As a Californian, I'm satisfied with the concessions the GOP made on the ballot boxes. They tried to be cute and they were set straight.

But haven't you heard? A Cali GOP spokesman said they didn't make any concessions. The plot thiccens.

 

[Tornado]

And you're seemingly ok with this?

Of course. Trump did it. Everything he does is good, and the stuff he does that's bad is either a conspiracy against him or just him misspeaking.

 

[UKMikey]

"always billed"
"pro-Biden antics"

 

[NotThePrez]

He misspoke. Just like when Biden said 200 million Americans had died of covid. I am sure what he means is that 85% of covid positive people wore masks.

Which I would be inclined believe if it wasn't for the fact that Trump has apparently said this before, and also is using the findings of an independent study (that he has very clearly misinterpreted) to say that 85% of American who have a mask have gotten COVID. If he admitted that he screwed that up, I would be less gung-ho on that specific faux-pas.

And yes, I do think Biden's claim, screw-up or not, was hilariously stupid, and that he also needs to admit that he messed that up as well. That doesn't give Trump a free pass, though.

Now, it'd be great if you answered my, Famine's and Eunos_Cosmo's other questions, particuarly are you OK with Trump denying an American Citizen their 5th Amendment rights, and why do you defend this man constantly? A man who has demonestrated to not care about your, my, or anybody elses Constitutional rights?

Edit: Also, the fact that he's still making his 85% claim is still, at minimum, him spreading misinformation that could potentially get people killed.

 

[Tornado]

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Since the Trump campaign is just going to cancel appearing anyway, why bother typing up the letter?

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Who are the debates even for? Are there really undecided voters?

 

[McLaren]

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Man, how hilariously bad. Anyone knows why they want "foreign policy" brought up before they just give away the plot after the 1st paragraph.

They're just looking for a "valid" reason to pull out without it being obvious it's because there will be a muted 2-minute rule in place.

 

[Famine]

You have told that same story before.

Once. In the original post I linked you to. I also pointed out that it wasn't strictly relevant to the issue.

As to Trump, well you should know by now he says a lot of dumb things. Just a couple of minutes after he said "they didn't want to arrest him" he said 85% of the people wearing the mask get infected.

I am sure those professional agents didn't just decide to off the guy for no reason at all. But if you want to claim Trump has death squads running around killing people, carry on.

I neither wanted to claim that, nor claimed that.

Trump's job, as President of the United States, is to uphold the Constitution. He's literally stated that if federal agencies (which he claims to have sent in) want to go kill a suspect in a crime rather than arresting them, then that's the way it has to be. That's an outrageous denial of your Fifth Amendment rights, from the guy whose job it is to protect them.


Are you okay with this? Why?