The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

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I think homosexuality is:

  • a problem that needs to be cured.

    Votes: 88 6.0%
  • a sin against God/Nature.

    Votes: 145 9.8%
  • OK as long as they don't talk about it.

    Votes: 62 4.2%
  • OK for anybody.

    Votes: 416 28.2%
  • nobody's business but the people involved.

    Votes: 765 51.8%

  • Total voters
    1,476
Yes you do. But there are better choices. If lethal weapons did not exists I would take a self defense class.

A better way to kill a deer in the wild? Please share.

Pretty much nothing, I just wrote a reasoning why anarchy doesn't work and for what we need governments strong enough.
We however don't need oversized governments, but what is oversized is again subjective - is marriage unnecessary intervention by the government, I don't think so. On topic, gay couples could be allowed to similar economical help, but you already know my opinion on this, IMO "marriage" has so long been used (all the time it has been used in England and English language, for example) for a man-woman union only that it should stay so for the historical value.

At some point, at least in the U.S., the act of being married entitled couples to monetary incentives. I see it this way "damn, we are screwing people left and right, lets give those that have kids and show love a brake".

Of course there is always the persuasion factor, but procreation is a big part of it.
 
The issue of same-sex marriage shouldn't be debatable. Human rights shouldn't be voted on. (Yes, that's me taking the stand that marriage is a human right).

This is my hope for the direction that the US is heading. I hope the Supreme Court goes bold with a sweeping ruling and then we can all just move on.

Should we debate whether I can marry my 18 year old daughter? How about my exceptionally hot Aunt? How about my wife, her sister, and her best friend all at the same time? How about my 17 year old male first cousin? How about my brother?

Sounds ludicrous, but those are the logical extension, in my eyes, of the gay marriage debate. I don't see how one can reasonably deny legalizing polygamy for example, based on the exact same arguments for legalizing gay marriage. I love her...and her...and him...how can you deny me the right to marry each of them?
 
At some point, at least in the U.S., the act of being married entitled couples to monetary incentives. I see it this way "damn, we are screwing people left and right, lets give those that have kids and show love a brake".

Of course there is always the persuasion factor, but procreation is a big part of it.

If the people are as committed to their union as a married couple are, the monetary incentives could be given to them too. I know there is a problem, two people I know, 18-year-old boys both, decided to abuse the system and went to "register their relationship" (our version of "gay marriage" without adoption rights) just to get all the incentives (another boy's girlfriend, of the one who got the idea, refused to get married because she thought it was immoral abuse of the system and so the boy went on with the plan that way).

Actually the monetary incentives of the marriage could as well be scrapped and given just to all mothers who've lately given birth. Maybe give incentives to the babies' fathers also, if they live with the mother and child.


Sounds ludicrous, but those are the logical extension, in my eyes, of the gay marriage debate. I don't see how one can reasonably deny legalizing polygamy for example, based on the exact same arguments for legalizing gay marriage. I love her...and her...and him...how can you deny me the right to marry each of them?

You're right, also, if now the issue is with expanding the marriage to allow people get married with people of the same sex, why not with multiple people or relatives?
That just messes up with the long-stood meaning of marriage to support and assist people in raising their children. It will be no longer socially sustainable (and will lose all meaning), and will probably ultimately lead to marriage being completely removed or becoming completely redundant.


Legalizing Ballistic Knives.

Eh, are they really as effective as in video games?

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I've also wondered, that why gays even want to be able to marry? Isn't marriage as it is known in our society just *so* hetero-normative? Why they want to mimic heterosexual couples, are they trying to be accepted by others, or just to mess up conservatives' views? Is it their war against conservative values? Love doesn't need marriage, and the monetary incentives aren't that great (don't single mothers gain most of them too?), being the reason why I've wondered that.
 
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Actually the monetary incentives of the marriage could as well be scrapped and given just to all mothers who've lately given birth.


Or give no incentive at all 👍

BTW I think I typed the wrong brake/break, ninja'd.
 
You're right, also, if now the issue is with expanding the marriage to allow people get married with people of the same sex, why not with multiple people or relatives?
That just messes up with the long-stood meaning of marriage to support and assist people in raising their children. It will be no longer socially sustainable (and will lose all meaning), and will probably ultimately lead to marriage being completely removed or becoming completely redundant.

Slippery slope nonsense.

One its a rather big leap to say that allows gay people to marry will automatically lead to multiple person weddings (although if all are consenting I don't see the issue) or insect based marriages (which is either illegal or accepted depending on the country involved).

It also utter nonsense to state that it messes with any meaning of marriage, an institution that has been messed with so much over time that its almost funny when people bang on about how it must be kept as it is. Interracial marriages were illegal in parts of the US until 1967, so its been messed with plenty (that Henry the Eighth bloke did a far bit as well).

As for being to "support and assist people in raising their children" I take it then you are all for making sure that people who can't have kids are not allowed to marry (after all that also defeats your idea of what marriage is for). So any bloke that has had the 'snip' and wishes to marry, the infertile and the elderly should all be banned from marrying based on this.

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Can someone explain to me what exactly is wrong with polygamy?

As per the second cartoon, people find it icky, and that's about it - it offends the moral code they have and wish to enforce on others.

I have no desire to be in a polygamous relationship, but its also none of my damn business is 3/4/5/6/7/8, etc. consenting adults do want to be.

We do however already have threads for both these topics.

Gay marriage - https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24714
Polygamy - https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=242939
 
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What about adults who are unable to agree with a proper and mature thought? :D

To my experience a lot of people make important decisions without giving it a proper thought.
There is a great difference between having not physiologically developed the ability and choosing not to use it. But if we want to use that as a measure of legitimacy then ban all marriage, because more people than not screw up that decision.

Should we debate whether I can marry my 18 year old daughter? How about my exceptionally hot Aunt? How about my wife, her sister, and her best friend all at the same time? How about my 17 year old male first cousin? How about my brother?
Since the Judeo-Christian belief is that men should only marry those made from his own rib, why not those made of his own genes? Do I need to requote the bit of the Bible where God killed a man for not mating his deceased brother's wife?

Sounds ludicrous, but those are the logical extension, in my eyes, of the gay marriage debate. I don't see how one can reasonably deny legalizing polygamy for example, based on the exact same arguments for legalizing gay marriage. I love her...and her...and him...how can you deny me the right to marry each of them?
A consenting adult is a consenting adult. So what?

If the people are as committed to their union as a married couple are, the monetary incentives could be given to them too. I know there is a problem, two people I know, 18-year-old boys both, decided to abuse the system and went to "register their relationship" (our version of "gay marriage" without adoption rights) just to get all the incentives (another boy's girlfriend, of the one who got the idea, refused to get married because she thought it was immoral abuse of the system and so the boy went on with the plan that way).
Just grant the legal/financial benefits to any financial bound group of individuals. Two roommates are as reliant on each other as spouses.

Actually the monetary incentives of the marriage could as well be scrapped and given just to all mothers who've lately given birth. Maybe give incentives to the babies' fathers also, if they live with the mother and child.
Now you are being prejudiced against the infertile.

You're right, also, if now the issue is with expanding the marriage to allow people get married with people of the same sex, why not with multiple people or relatives?
That just messes up with the long-stood meaning of marriage to support and assist people in raising their children. It will be no longer socially sustainable (and will lose all meaning), and will probably ultimately lead to marriage being completely removed or becoming completely redundant.
How would it mess up the system designed to support and assist people raising children. Better yet, why does that system exist? Without redefining marriage too many people crap out kids without the ability to care for them and already makes the system unsustainable without constant increases in funding.

I've also wondered, that why gays even want to be able to marry? Isn't marriage as it is known in our society just *so* hetero-normative? Why they want to mimic heterosexual couples, are they trying to be accepted by others, or just to mess up conservatives' views? Is it their war against conservative values? Love doesn't need marriage, and the monetary incentives aren't that great (don't single mothers gain most of them too?), being the reason why I've wondered that.
Are you married? Even in a long-term relationship? Better yet, are you aware that there are legal rights associated with marriage outside of money? Or that there are monetary issues other than mooching off of society?

Or are you just having a go?
 
I advice some of you nay sayers to watch the Daily show with John Stewart and the Colbert report from last Thursday. They show something about gay marriage that it isn't just for financial benefits.
 
Now you are being prejudiced against the infertile.

I don't still see how infertile people (without children) should be entitled to some incentives meant to keep the birth rate high enough so the population doesn't decline.


How would it mess up the system designed to support and assist people raising children. Better yet, why does that system exist? Without redefining marriage too many people crap out kids without the ability to care for them and already makes the system unsustainable without constant increases in funding.

Giving the incentives to people who don't usually give birth is pretty nonsense in the account of using the money responsibly, giving out more incentives would just lead to cuts elsewhere or to a rise of taxes.


Are you married? Even in a long-term relationship? Better yet, are you aware that there are legal rights associated with marriage outside of money? Or that there are monetary issues other than mooching off of society?

Or are you just having a go?

Indeed, I'm not married with my girlfriend, like a lot of people in Finland who live in a relationship. The main reason why people won't get married here before they get children (and maybe not even then) is that in a divorce all belongings are equally parted, also those gained before the marriage. The inheritance rights aren't that important IMO that we should get married yet; in a case of death my wife (girlfriend) would get all my belongings if I were married, if not, my parents would get them - I just don't see the death of either of us happening soon, or at least it's pretty improbable.


Slippery slope nonsense.

Well, here the most eager supporters of gay marriage said a few years ago that the "registered relationship" (gay marriage without adoption rights) will absolutely be the last step - they seem to have a pretty short memory or then they were lying.

But don't you think that polygamous marriage is naturally the next step in the liberalisation?


As for being to "support and assist people in raising their children" I take it then you are all for making sure that people who can't have kids are not allowed to marry (after all that also defeats your idea of what marriage is for). So any bloke that has had the 'snip' and wishes to marry, the infertile and the elderly should all be banned from marrying based on this.

That doesn't defeat the purpose. The purpose of marriage is/has been that children get a (somewhat) better environment to live. But widening the meaning that much is against the purpose, and will just lead to government money being poured to something without a socially important purpose. Of course, if the legal incentives are removed from marriage, then that is no longer an argument.

People always seem to be really eager to change things that have been forever (or literally forever), but often they just lead to instability. Just look at Switzerland, it's pretty much the most conservative country in the West - they have lived in peace for 500 years (of course it's partially due to their mountainous terrain) and are a wealthy and prosperous nation which doesn't do decisions too hastily. Compare that to France whose politics are pretty far from conservative, and you see my point. Similarly, German Empire was really successful while Bismarck was the chancellor (after Wilhelm II fired him foreign relations went a lot worse); he thought that liberals were the worst enemy of the empire and excluded them from all decision-making.

If I really were in a small minority of people wanting to keep the society as it is and just subtly changing it, I would have nothing to do but just approve the changes the others want, but since we're roughly one half of the society, I'm willing to try to keep the society as it is. Actually currently, the majority of our parliament is against gay marriage (as really "marriage", not expanding the adoption rights in the "registered relationship" thingy so it'd be identical to gay marriage, just not called "marriage") and about 60% (of the MPs) are generally conservative, so I'm not alone with my thoughts.
 
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Well, here the most eager supporters of gay marriage said a few years ago that the "registered relationship" (gay marriage without adoption rights) will absolutely be the last step - they seem to have a pretty short memory or then they were lying.
So you feel its OK to limit the rights of a group based on what part of it may or may not have said?


But don't you think that polygamous marriage is naturally the next step in the liberalisation?
It may or may not be, that's irreverent given that this is a discussion about gay marriage and not polygamous marriage. One may or may not lead to the other, however that's not a valid argument for disallowing the first. Afterall without 'traditional' marriage homesexuals would not be asking for the same rights, so by that token we need to ban traditional marriage.



That doesn't defeat the purpose. The purpose of marriage is/has been that children get a (somewhat) better environment to live.
According to who?


But widening the meaning that much is against the purpose, and will just lead to government money being poured to something without a socially important purpose. Of course, if the legal incentives are removed from marriage, then that is no longer an argument.
Citation required.


People always seem to be really eager to change things that have been forever (or literally forever), but often they just lead to instability.
Appeal to tradition and a rather poor one, given that its already been clearly demonstrated that the definition has been changed out of all context over the years, and not just the distant past.

For the record Finland last changed its marriage laws in the 1970's, which is a long way from literally forever.



Just look at Switzerland, it's pretty much the most conservative country in the West - they have lived in peace for 500 years (of course it's partially due to their mountainous terrain) and are a wealthy and prosperous nation which doesn't do decisions too hastily. Compare that to France whose politics are pretty far from conservative, and you see my point.
Apart from the fact that I can pretty much guarantee that you will not be able to link peace in Switzerland for 500 years to a lack of Gay marriage (the Swiss did however change its civil partnership laws without disaster in 2007), you also need to take a good look at why the Swiss have been at peace for 500 years, you might find its because for over 500 years they have had one of the best trained and effective armed forces in Europe. History is your friend, making crap up is not.


If I really were in a small minority of people wanting to keep the society as it is and just subtly changing it, I would have nothing to do but just approve the changes the others want, but since we're roughly one half of the society, I'm willing to try to keep the society as it is. Actually currently, the majority of our parliament is against gay marriage (as really "marriage", not expanding the adoption rights in the "registered relationship" thingy so it'd be identical to gay marriage, just not called "marriage") and about 60% are generally conservative, so I'm not alone with my thoughts.
Ahh I see, so as long as there are less of them that us its OK to not allow them the same rights?
 
While I firmly believe that the primary purpose of any married couple is to provide a caring environment in which to raise children, the idea that the legal contract of marriage should only be confined to single partner couples because they're the only ones who can have kids is absolutely ridiculous.

Ridiculous because a whole lot of people get married and don't have kids. And there are many who get married and plan specifically NOT to have kids.

On the other hand, there are gay couples that adopt, or that have kids by previous marriages or from outside of marriage. Then there are communal marriages, open marriages, polygamous groups and etcetera.

Claiming one system is inherently superior to any other in terms of providing a caring environment for children without objective proof is simply cultural bias.
 
But don't you think that polygamous marriage is naturally the next step in the liberalisation?
The next step is equal rights. Tradition and the status quo need to be burned to the ground if they trample on rights.



The purpose of marriage is/has been that children get a (somewhat) better environment to live.
What is the best way to raise children and why?

People always seem to be really eager to change things that have been forever (or literally forever)
Duration means nothing. The only thing that matters is the question of rights.

but often they just lead to instability.
Where? Should we go back to living in tribes because the last 5,000 years has unturned the relative consistency of the previous 50,000 years?

Just look at Switzerland, it's pretty much the most conservative country in the West - they have lived in peace for 500 years (of course it's partially due to their mountainous terrain) and are a wealthy and prosperous nation which doesn't do decisions too hastily. Compare that to France whose politics are pretty far from conservative, and you see my point.
And the Middle East was the center of the world until they went from advancement to stiff conservatism.

If I really were in a small minority of people wanting to keep the society as it is and just subtly changing it, I would have nothing to do but just approve the changes the others want, but since we're roughly one half of the society, I'm willing to try to keep the society as it is. Actually currently, the majority of our parliament is against gay marriage (as really "marriage", not expanding the adoption rights in the "registered relationship" thingy so it'd be identical to gay marriage, just not called "marriage") and about 60% (of the MPs) are generally conservative, so I'm not alone with my thoughts.

Rights > Majority.
 
Should we debate whether I can marry my 18 year old daughter? How about my exceptionally hot Aunt? How about my wife, her sister, and her best friend all at the same time? How about my 17 year old male first cousin? How about my brother?

Sounds ludicrous, but those are the logical extension, in my eyes, of the gay marriage debate. I don't see how one can reasonably deny legalizing polygamy for example, based on the exact same arguments for legalizing gay marriage. I love her...and her...and him...how can you deny me the right to marry each of them?

The slippery slope argument is so hollow. But if you want to equal homosexuality to incest, then by all means, be that guy.


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I don't still see how infertile people (without children) should be entitled to some incentives meant to keep the birth rate high enough so the population doesn't decline.

Are you implying that homosexual couples can't be parents? They can adopt, they can take advantage of surrogate mothers, sperm donors, etc.

Are you okay with denying these parents the same access to the subsides that heterosexual couples receive?

Also, what about couples who choose to marry later in life and are too old to have children? Why are they allowed to get married? They can't have kids so they shouldn't get marriage benefits by your logic. Same goes for infertile couples and, god forbid.... couples who don't want kids! Why is it okay for those couples to marry but not same-sex couples?



Giving the incentives to people who don't usually give birth is pretty nonsense in the account of using the money responsibly, giving out more incentives would just lead to cuts elsewhere or to a rise of taxes.

Okay. Take away all incentives that couples without children recieve.

But don't you think that polygamous marriage is naturally the next step in the liberalisation?

Nope. I don't see that at all.

That doesn't defeat the purpose. The purpose of marriage is/has been that children get a (somewhat) better environment to live. But widening the meaning that much is against the purpose, and will just lead to government money being poured to something without a socially important purpose. Of course, if the legal incentives are removed from marriage, then that is no longer an argument.

Why isn't there a law which requires married couples to have kids?
Why are unmarried couples allowed to have kids without being forced to marry?
 
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I don't still see how infertile people (without children) should be entitled to some incentives meant to keep the birth rate high enough so the population doesn't decline.
I forgot, you live in one of those rare countries where the birth rate being too low is a problem. That said, how much money do you have to give them to make having a kid worth it? I mean, 18 years and thousands to millions of dollars later, none of our tax credits come close to being a gain. But do keep in mind that in other countries marriage and kids and handouts to them are not to try keeping the birth rate up. Most need lower both rates.

Indeed, I'm not married with my girlfriend, like a lot of people in Finland who live in a relationship.
You guys are so romantic in Finland. Makes me wonder about all those romance songs about Finland. Oh right. That's Paris, San Francisco, pretty much everywhere else. We even have movies based in Seattle or about meeting on the roof of the Empire State Building.

Cultural vision of America through TV show names.
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We have shows about dresses, planning weddings, bridezillas, wedding cakes, extreme wedding cakes, competitions about wedding cakes, competitions for who has the best wedding. My wife could watch a Netflix marathon of wedding shows for decades straight.

We have 13-year-old girls planning their wedding. When my wife started planning our wedding she got a subscription to Wedding magazine. MONTHLY MAGAZINES!!! There are entire clothing store chains that specialize only in wedding clothes.

Now, come to America and tell almost any woman marriage is just about raising kids and love doesn't need marriage and you will find your relationships last only as long as the alcohol in her blood.

The main reason why people won't get married here before they get children (and maybe not even then) is that in a divorce all belongings are equally parted, also those gained before the marriage.
We call it a prenuptial agreement. We have so much marriage we have perfected not having bad marriages financially ruin you.

The inheritance rights aren't that important IMO that we should get married yet;
Because you don't care about making a lifelong commitment to her. Gay people who want to be married want to make a lifelong commitment and give each other power of attorney, financial beneficiary, and various other legal statuses. Those legal statuses are important because if your parents can make financial or legal decisions in your place better than a person you are claiming to be in love with for life then you have issues. Considering how often my mom and I argue about what is best for me vs how often my wife agrees with me, my parents are the last people I want that to fall to. If I were gay it would fall to my parents unless I spent thousands of dollars on getting legal documents to transfer that status.

in a case of death my wife (girlfriend) would get all my belongings if I were married, if not, my parents would get them - I just don't see the death of either of us happening soon, or at least it's pretty improbable.
Or you think like a teenager and think you are near invincible.

Well, here the most eager supporters of gay marriage said a few years ago that the "registered relationship" (gay marriage without adoption rights) will absolutely be the last step - they seem to have a pretty short memory or then they were lying.
Setting aside past claims, by likely different supporters than you have today, why shouldn't they be allowed to adopt? If you have kids in need of a home and not enough good heterosexual homes then why not homosexual couples?

But don't you think that polygamous marriage is naturally the next step in the liberalisation?
In a nation that has to socialize bribing people to have kids why wouldn't you support polygamy. One guy being able to produce five legitimate kids at once sounds like a good way to help boost the population.

People always seem to be really eager to change things that have been forever (or literally forever), but often they just lead to instability.
Just look at the US. They had slavery for nearly 100 years and then some crazy liberals thought to end it and started a civil war. Then for nearly another hundred years black people weren't granted the exact same rights and some new crazy liberals (who said ending slavery was the end of it 100 years before) fought for equal rights and the streets erupted into riots, guys were hung, crosses were burned and sheets were cut up. We still haven't seen the end of that instability after 60 years.

If I really were in a small minority of people wanting to keep the society as it is and just subtly changing it, I would have nothing to do but just approve the changes the others want, but since we're roughly one half of the society, I'm willing to try to keep the society as it is. Actually currently, the majority of our parliament is against gay marriage (as really "marriage", not expanding the adoption rights in the "registered relationship" thingy so it'd be identical to gay marriage, just not called "marriage") and about 60% (of the MPs) are generally conservative, so I'm not alone with my thoughts.
Google "tyranny of the majority"

While I firmly believe that the primary purpose of any married couple is to provide a caring environment in which to raise children,
Does the rest of the world think this way? Does love and a public commitment to someone you want to spend your life with mean nothing outside of the US?
 
...utter nonsense to state...any meaning of marriage, an institution that has been messed with so much over time that its almost funny when people bang on about how it must be kept as it is...its been messed with plenty (that Henry the Eighth bloke did a far bit as well).

The meaning of marriage for Henry VIII was a natural (i.e., not bastard) male heir to inherit his titles, lands and properties. He went through six wives (two beheaded) and a Bible revision to achieve this. Today, the inheritance of the family name, lands and properties is still a big deal in many parts of the world.

...I firmly believe that the primary purpose of any married couple is to provide a caring environment in which to raise children...

Hello!

Does the rest of the world think this way? Does love and a public commitment to someone you want to spend your life with mean nothing outside of the US?

Here, in the land of liberty and plenty, the meaning of marriage is distilled to public display proclamation of love. Procreation and inheritance mean little and less.

So yes, the meaning of marriage differs from time to place to culture. So does the answer to the OP question.

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The slippery slope argument is so hollow. But if you want to equal homosexuality to incest, then by all means, be that guy.

Equating something and something being the logical extension of the other are two different things. But since you made the link, I'll ask the question. What is the rationale for not allowing two, related by blood and consenting adults, to marry?
 
Because some people think it's icky. Just like homosexuality. And these people think if they personally think something is icky, nobody in the whole world should be allowed to do it.

I agree with the sentiment already expressed in this thread, whatever two or more consenting adults do in private is nobody's business but their own. Doesn't matter what appendages are going into which orifices. Doesn't matter what their genders are. Doesn't matter what their ethnicities are. Consanguinity doesn't matter, either.
 
The slippery slope argument is so hollow. But if you want to equal homosexuality to incest, then by all means, be that guy.

Gonna side with Johnny on this. I haven't seen an argument for why gay marriage should be allowed that doesn't also apply to incestuous or polygamist relationships, and it seems to me that if the court accepts those arguments for the first they kind of have to accept the arguments for the latter two. They aren't the same thing, but if two consenting adults want to get married what difference does it make whether they are?

It's not a slippery slope argument at all. It's the same argument; and if I heard correctly it's the exact argument the Supreme Court is stuck on.
 
Does the rest of the world think this way? Does love and a public commitment to someone you want to spend your life with mean nothing outside of the US?

It is my belief that the primary reason to get married is to provide a caring environment for whatever children result. This does not signify that I believe that this is the only reason to get married. I married as a sign of commitment to my partner, even though we were not planning to have children at the time.

And this is not to say that I believe that you can't raise children out of wedlock. I am strongly against a marriage that is motivated by the simple reason of someone getting knocked up... forced marriages hardly ever work out properly.
 
It is my belief that the primary reason to get married is to provide a caring environment for whatever children result. This does not signify that I believe that this is the only reason to get married. I married as a sign of commitment to my partner, even though we were not planning to have children at the time.
It's the "primary reason" thing I'm hung up on. A marriage, at its base, has little to do with kids. Kids affect it, but I know few people who got married because of anything to do with kids. Very few wedding shows or whatever mention kids.

That isn't to say that I haven't seen it happen, but it is rarely something I see enough to say it is the primary reason. In fact, I'd argue if finding a good co-parent is your primary reason to get married you might not be in a good marriage. To have your primary reason to marry someone be anything other then you want to make that lifelong commitment to them just sounds like a recipe for disaster. And a bad marriage is not a good environment for a child.
 
Whether they're thinking of it at the time or not, most people subconsciously choose partners whom they think will make a good parent for their children. Of course, compatibility and dedication to one another are a big part of that. A good co-parent HAS to be someone you love and get along with.

I'm not the biblical type. I'm not going to say that you SHOULD have children when you get married... nor do I believe (again) marriage necessarily follows after you've conceived a child (that's even worse).

As I've said, it's a belief, nothing more.
 
I can understand the fear of incest somewhat, but so far I still haven't seen a single argument against polygamy. If someone wants to literally dig their own grave by being nagged on by more than one lady, what's your problem?
 
Incest between two consenting adults... no problem. The problem is when you consider the rights of their children to not be born with crippling or fatal genetic abnormalities.

As for polygamy... there is anecdotal evidence that this leads to abuse or emotional neglect, but then again, there is anecdotal evidence for single-partner marriages ending in abuse and emotional neglect... not really any good reason to not allow polygamy... as long as you allow BOTH men and women multiple partners.
 
Equating something and something being the logical extension of the other are two different things. But since you made the link, I'll ask the question. What is the rationale for not allowing two, related by blood and consenting adults, to marry?

So then why doesn't heterosexual marriage lead to incestuous marriage and polygamy? Or does it in your eyes? The argument that gay marriage leads to polygamy, etc. has always baffled me because I see no reason as to why those are any more of a logical extension to gay marriage as opposed to hetero marriage.

I'd like to add that I have no issue with polygamy, and my only issue with incest is the likelihood that if the couple were to have any children that they would be born with birth defects (but if the couple aren't having kids then sure why not).
 
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