The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

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I think homosexuality is:

  • a problem that needs to be cured.

    Votes: 88 6.0%
  • a sin against God/Nature.

    Votes: 145 9.8%
  • OK as long as they don't talk about it.

    Votes: 62 4.2%
  • OK for anybody.

    Votes: 416 28.2%
  • nobody's business but the people involved.

    Votes: 765 51.8%

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    1,476
This exactly what is wrong with homosexuality. People are treated like heros for just coming out, it's the new race card. Keep it to yourself and stop showboating it like it's some funking accomplishment.:cheers:

2 things:

1) It takes strength to say that you are gay in this world we live in. When I did, I was scared to say it, then I just said that I was bi, only to find that my immediate family are OK with it. If you have family that has problem with it, your relationship with them will probably shatter immediately, THAT is the true difficult part about it.

2) The last guy who said the word "funking" to get around the swear filter was banned (It was fun while it lasted.). If you want to still be able to stay on GTP, I would recommend you not do it again.
 
No one is forcing an agenda. They're just fighting hard against outdated ignorance and bigotry. It should be applauded. A man and woman kiss and no one cares, but if two men kiss there is an outcry, as if it's different in any meaningful way from the first situation. Flipping through TV channels I can see a lot more of the "heterosexual agenda" than anything else.

Even when people don't actively oppose homosexuality but yet say they don't want to see it or something, you could be forgiven for considering that a bit strange if you think on it too long. I'd bet it has more to do with the social stigma against gays rather than the person's true feelings, at least in some cases. It's like when you tell a child that a member of the opposite sex has cooties, but people don't grow out of all the myths about gays.

Look at the media today, look at the comments; I'm getting crucified for opposing it. What ever happened to freedom of speech? I think people here are thinking I'm against homosexuality when i'm not, what I'm against is this constant showboating of it in media today, no one can say anything against it (the promotion of it). We're only kidding ourselves if we think the media isn't promoting it nonstop. Maybe you should be more conscious of other pupils opinions.

2 things:

1) It takes strength to say that you are gay in this world we live in. When I did, I was scared to say it, then I just said that I was bi, only to find that my immediate family are OK with it. If you have family that has problem with it, your relationship with them will probably shatter immediately, THAT is the true difficult part about it.

2) The last guy who said the word "funking" to get around the swear filter was banned (It was fun while it lasted.). If you want to still be able to stay on GTP, I would recommend you not do it again.
1) In the western world no it doesn't take any courage whatsoever, and being that you are bi will make your opinion bias.
2) Didn't know that should have used the censored symbol, was contemplating on that, should have used the censored symbol good heads up!
 
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Everyone is entitled to their opinions. However, some opinions are wrong.

And being bisexual makes me biased? LGBT stands for Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender.

I'm part of that group, so naturally, I agree with that.
 
1) In the western world no it doesn't take any courage whatsoever, and being that you are bi will make your opinion bias.

Yeah, cos only black people like other black people, right?

With each defence you are, in my opinion, exposing a deep-seated bigotry further.
 
What ever happened to freedom of speech?

It's as free as it ever was. You're free to say what you want. Everyone else is free to say what they think of your opinion. What's the problem?

Do you want to reply to the questions I asked you now? I did you the courtesy of addressing yours, I wouldn't mind the same courtesy of you at least explaining the contradictory stance you accuse me of.

What?

Firstly, where's the bashing of religion?
Secondly, how is marriage a focal point of religion?
Thirdly, where is the wanting to use marriage for anything?

Do you think that it matters whether homosexuality is innate or a choice? If so, what difference does it make?

You'll need to explain exactly how I'm contradicting myself, because obviously I don't see it.
 
Everyone is entitled to their opinions. However, some opinions are wrong.

And being bisexual makes me biased? LGBT stands for Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender.

I'm part of that group, so naturally, I agree with that.
Transgenders - the same group that states they're the opposite sex when they're going against science and that's a fact ( We're only talking about humans here). Now back on the issue dealing with the homosexuality agenda, as I said before I got a problem with the showboating and media advertising of it. If Homosexuality is considered a choice shouldn't I also have the a choice to disagree with the advertising of it. What's the purpose of the pride parade really when you think of it, is it about compassion or is it money. Everything has a socio-economic attachment to it hence the promotion of it in schools.
 
It is not a choice, I definitely would not choose to be homosexual knowing how much hate I would get just being gay.

Before you say anything, I also didn't choose to be bi. However, it is awesome to be attracted to both men and women.

Or maybe I'm just greedy...
 
It is not a choice, I definitely would not choose to be homosexual knowing how much hate I would get just being gay.

Before you say anything, I also didn't choose to be bi. However, it is awesome to be attracted to both men and women.

Or maybe I'm just greedy...


This is the problem, but my responses seem to be flying out your other ear. Best for me to stop replying on this thread as it appears a mob is after me for opposing it. My stance was clearly do your anything in private and stop advertising it.


Thank you. Citation required. Please back that fact up, and remember that psychology is a science.

Over to you...
Are you really going to say that oh boy? Hopefully David Attenborough can show you the difference between pseudo science and real science.
 
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So let me ask you this, is homosexuality a choice or is someone-born like that ?
Why would you even think it could be a choice? Have you ever heard gays talking about how they had come to the choice to become gay? Or did someone do a solid, peer-reviewed research on the subject, with that being the most logical conclusion? Why?
 
Look at the media today, look at the comments; I'm getting crucified for opposing it.
You. Are. Not. Being. Crucified. You are being presented with opposing opinions based on facts of knowledge from other people. No one has ever told you to shut up or that you're not allowed to post here because you believe differently.

I think people here are thinking I'm against homosexuality when i'm not, what I'm against is this constant showboating of it in media today, no one can say anything against it (the promotion of it).
Of course people can say something against it, that's why there's this word called "debate." So differing groups can calmly and respectfully argue the differences of an opinion on a topic. Why does Westboro Baptist Church still exist if "no one can say anything against it?" Because people can say something against it, and will, and no one will or is allowed to forcefully stop them within this country's laws.

We're only kidding ourselves if we think the media isn't promoting it nonstop. Maybe you should be more conscious of other pupils opinions.
Media isn't promoting homosexuality. Media is becoming more accepting, and trying to help a minority not feel hated by the country they live within. There's also plenty of media that disagree with a lot of the more accepting stances of homosexuality, like the majority of Fox News. Media isn't telling people to be gay and why they should, just showing something that exists in just about everyone's lives, and not crapping all over it in the process (sometimes).

1) In the western world no it doesn't take any courage whatsoever, and being that you are bi will make your opinion bias.
What a horribly ignorant response. I'm sorry, but you have no idea what LGBT individuals have to go through mentally while they are discovering their sexuality and going through the process of coming out to friends and family. http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/headlines/lgbt-homeless-youth/ Here's a nice little link for you. In case you choose not to read it, it states that 40 percent of homeless youth identify as LGBT in the United States. Take in account there are well over a million homeless youths within the United States. Don't say it doesn't take courage when there are countless children that have been disowned by their families, humiliated and assaulted by their peers, shunned by their friends, and left helpless by their teachers and schools. I will not sit here and let you say it does not take courage to come out as LGBT. It is a horrifying experience, and anyone who tries to diminish the immensity of such an experience will always strike a nerve with me.
 
Don't say it doesn't take courage when there are countless children that have been disowned by their families, humiliated and assaulted by their peers, shunned by their friends, and left helpless by their teachers and schools.

I agree. I have a friend who was kicked out of his house when he came out. His parents don't talk to him any more, and he was relatively lucky that he had friends who could take him in and give him a roof over his head while he sorted his life out.

I don't pretend to understand what makes a parent abandon their child like that. If my kid turned out to be a serial killer, I might think about it, but even then I'm pretty sure I wouldn't just chuck them out on the street.

Quite apart from the fact that we spend an awful lot of time teaching people to be truthful and honest with each other, and if there are negative repercussions for simply admitting that you're gay it goes totally against that. I don't see how not knowing that someone is gay is preferable to knowing, but maybe it's like fear of heights or something. If they can't see the drop then they're fine, but put them on an open bridge and they freak out.

Not that I think "don't ask, don't tell" is a sensible policy, but if people have mental conditions that make them freak out around people who are homosexual then maybe it's an appropriate way of dealing with them.
 
So let me ask you this, is homosexuality a choice or is someone-born like that ?
When did you pick to be heterosexual?

Given the question you asked you must have undergone some initiation that the rest of us missed in which we get to pick our sexuality.

Once you actually realise just how stupid that question is then maybe you with have a little empathy for the situation.
 
This exactly what is wrong with homosexuality. People are treated like heros for just coming out, it's the new race card.
Because when they don't come out it becomes tabloid speculation and they can't get on with their lives. Just look at what Clay Aiken, George Michael, or that one Backstreet Boy went through. Their lives suddenly became ten times easier once they came out.

You want to know how to end the "showboating" and constant media interest?

Give them equal rights across the board and quit acting like they are any different. Once that happens saying you are homosexual becomes like saying you like blondes.

Keep it to yourself and stop showboating it like it's some funking accomplishment.:cheers:
Yeah, because Jason Collins and Michael Sam wouldn't have preferred that their sexuality not play any role. It was a big deal because they were the first to be publicly known in their situation. Here is the funny part: I am a Rams fan (no, that's not the funny bit) and when I heard they drafted Sam I was happy because we need some good DEs. The homosexuality thing never crossed my mind until people like you were complaining about how he and his boyfriend acted in a way that wouldn't have bee mentioned if that were a girl with him.

Here's the deal: If you and everyone who thinks homosexuality should only be expressed behind locked doors, with the curtains closed, and where no one will ever know, would quit raising a stink when a homosexual couple acts like heterosexual couples do everyday we would eventually quit hearing about it. In short, if you shut up they will shut up. Granted, there will always be a LGBT version of Al Sharpton, but there has to be a counter to the Pat Robertsons of the world.

2) The last guy who said the word "funking" to get around the swear filter was banned (It was fun while it lasted.). If you want to still be able to stay on GTP, I would recommend you not do it again.
This is not George Clinton approved.
 
Look at the media today, look at the comments; I'm getting crucified for opposing it. What ever happened to freedom of speech? I think people here are thinking I'm against homosexuality when i'm not, what I'm against is this constant showboating of it in media today, no one can say anything against it (the promotion of it). We're only kidding ourselves if we think the media isn't promoting it nonstop. Maybe you should be more conscious of other pupils opinions.

What is freedom of speech? Is it people stating their opinions or is it people being forced to not state their opinions? You're not being attacked. You're being disagreed with. If I was trying to legalize murder should I complain about free speech when every sane person in the world would be calling me a complete idiot?

People can be anti gay all they want. In the past they were the majority and they'd look down on people disagreeing with them. The world is changing. People are going away from superstition and ignorance. Man and woman, man and man, woman and woman. No difference. There are just a few old books and such written by people who really didn't know any better saying that it was bad. So today the anti-majority is fading and now they find less people agreeing with them. They can state their opinion all they want, but can't expect pats on the back anymore. This should be expected too. Being against homosexuality isn't like liking green over blue. It's like liking one of group of people to suffer. That's a big deal and that's why proponents don't just go "well sure it's your opinion to make life difficult/unequal for those people!"

I also think this might be an example of something similar to what I said before:

Even when people don't actively oppose homosexuality but yet say they don't want to see it or something, you could be forgiven for considering that a bit strange if you think on it too long. I'd bet it has more to do with the social stigma against gays rather than the person's true feelings, at least in some cases. It's like when you tell a child that a member of the opposite sex has cooties, but people don't grow out of all the myths about gays.

You seem to have this fear/revulsion for gay acts. Why? A man kisses a man on TV, big deal. Men and women kiss all the time. You'd expect the same tolerance for man+man that you see for man+woman. Being happy for or willingly watching man+man doesn't make you gay. Being gay isn't a problem in the first place. What's the issue? If you're not anti gay then realize that the "show boating" in the media is an attempt to overturn millennia of inequality and repression. Would it bother you if the news kept reporting about black people sitting in front of buses in places where this was banned for no reason?


1) In the western world no it doesn't take any courage whatsoever, and being that you are bi will make your opinion bias.
Any place where religion is involved it can be a big deal. My family is fairly religious and I know their opinions on many things. I worry about what would happen if someone tried to come out gay in this family. They're great people, but they hold some troubling ideas. Maybe if it actually happened they would change their minds, but they certainly wouldn't provide positive encouragement any time something about gay marriage appeared on the news.
 
Just dropping by to mention homosexuality is a sin and an abomination. No arguments here, it says so in the Bible. Now if you'll excuse me, I'll just unfollow this thread right here, and not respond to any of you again. Besides my order just came in, so I'm off to mastercate on some delicious pizza with shrimp.
 
Just dropping by to mention homosexuality is a sin and an abomination. No arguments here, it says so in the Bible. Now if you'll excuse me, I'll just unfollow this thread right here, and not respond to any of you again. Besides my order just came in, so I'm off to mastercate on some delicious pizza with shrimp.

But are you serious? Can't tell.

Redacted after @Liquid's post, as I'm apparently all serious business at the moment. Likely the string of absurd posts in here lately.
 
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Considering @Carbonox 's stance on the Bible and religion, I think it might have been a thinly veiled parody of other people who actually do come to this thread to post their bigoted views and not explain them or talk about it.

I certainly hope so, anyway.
 
Just dropping by to mention homosexuality is a sin and an abomination. No arguments here, it says so in the Bible. Now if you'll excuse me, I'll just unfollow this thread right here, and not respond to any of you again. Besides my order just came in, so I'm off to mastercate on some delicious pizza with shrimp.

Like @Liquid I sensed more sarcasm than @Azuremen did... but I'd recommend the addition of a coy smiley just to make sure... ;)
 
Considering @Carbonox 's stance on the Bible and religion, I think it might have been a thinly veiled parody of other people who actually do come to this thread to post their bigoted views and not explain them or talk about it.

I haven't seen his stance in a while, just recall the old Islam topic and the absurdity of some recent posts in here has me at Critically Critical level.
 
Considering @Carbonox 's stance on the Bible and religion, I think it might have been a thinly veiled parody of other people who actually do come to this thread to post their bigoted views and not explain them or talk about it.

I certainly hope so, anyway.
Explaining the joke kinda makes it unfunny. :(

Long story short: What we have here is a deliberate reference at @RyanRacer who didn't bother trying to argue his point and just left as soon as he dropped by.

Guess I'll need to build up a Famine-esque reputation before another parody post.

...Oh and one more thing. Adding a smiley in that would obviously make the joke too... obvious. ^^
 
Explaining the joke kinda makes it unfunny. :(

Long story short: What we have here is a deliberate reference at @RyanRacer who didn't bother trying to argue his point and just left as soon as he dropped by.

Guess I'll need to build up a Famine-esque reputation before another parody post.

...Oh and one more thing. Adding a smiley in that would obviously make the joke too... obvious. ^^

Well, I'd disagree... I'd say @Famine balances sarcasm a little better... the nuances are more complex than simply making the statement. You really should add the smiley in my opinion (even as a footnote) as you're expressing via written words rather than spoken. No tone of voice could be discerned!
 
I'm off to mastercate on some delicious pizza with shrimp.
That right there should have tipped off the fact @Carbonox's post was sarcasm/parody. The Bible makes it quite clear that eating shrimp is an abomination and a sin. Not to mention the pizza itself.
 
That right there should have tipped off the fact @Carbonox's post was sarcasm/parody. The Bible makes it quite clear that eating shrimp is an abomination and a sin. Not to mention the pizza itself.

Only the first Testament. The New Testament doesn't mention it. Arguably the translation of Leviticus is dodgy anyway, it's mollusc-shellfish that he refers to. Prawn have scales and are, in some interpretations, legit. It's down to the number of words to separate genii in the original language compared to the later translations in other language sets.

Also, I think Catholics (notably old-school hard-line Christians who worship the womb more than the Son) are more likely to observe Old Testament over New in general, but if they did they wouldn't be able to eat most modern cows either.
 
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Only the first Testament. The New Testament doesn't mention it. Arguably the translation of Leviticus is dodgy anyway, it's mollusc-shellfish that he refers to. Prawn have scales and are, in some interpretations, legit. It's down to the number of words to separate genii in the original language compared to the later translations in other language sets.

Also, I think Catholics (notably old-school hard-line Christians who worship the womb more than the Son) are more likely to observe Old Testament over New in general, but if they did they wouldn't be able to eat most modern cows either.
Your point?

I was merely pointing out what I felt was the clincher for @Carbonox's post being sarcasm/parody.

Besides, "fins and scales" seems pretty clear to me. Whatever.
 
Your point?

I was merely pointing out what I felt was the clincher for @Carbonox's post being sarcasm/parody.

Besides, "fins and scales" seems pretty clear to me. Whatever.

The point was that the sarcasm wasn't, I felt, evident from his culinary choices... I was more puzzling over "mastercate", I thought there was some play on "master race".

The other point was that many things which the Jewish bible (old testament) proclaims aren't as relevant to more modern Christian churches (new testament). That includes edicts on rape, suitable foods, lifestyle, slavery, misogyny, slavery and so on. Most contemporary churches that I'm aware of use the New Testament which is slightly less brutal, fortunately.

And does much better fetes, I attended a marvellous one today and feel very fat.
 
The point was that the sarcasm wasn't, I felt, evident from his culinary choices... I was more puzzling over "mastercate", I thought there was some play on "master race".
Nah. Masticate.

The other point was that many things which the Jewish bible (old testament) proclaims aren't as relevant to more modern Christian churches (new testament). That includes edicts on rape, suitable foods, lifestyle, slavery, misogyny, slavery and so on. Most contemporary churches that I'm aware of use the New Testament which is slightly less brutal, fortunately.
Only thing is, the New Testament affirms the Old Testament. Which includes Leviticus. And this particular discussion offshoot would be better placed in the God thread, where this point has been covered before.[/quote]
 
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