The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[Jet Badger]

Then, simply put, the step you're missing is "maturing". I don't mean this as an insult - we're all teenagers at one point or another - but you quickly grow out of the "my way is the right way" attitude out in the adult world.

Well, it's either that, or you craft a fancy tin-foil hat and announce war on fans of a cartoon....

True, and I can definitely relate to that. I learned that instead of trying to find differences of opinion with other people, rather try to find things that you have in common. It's no way to live your life when you look at other people as "they don't know better". There will always be different views, especially on social subjects that are always mostly defined by traditions, religion and personal preferences. No one will be having a good time if you imediately call others, who don't agree with you, idiots.

 

[Famine]

Everyone already had an equal right to marry someone... of the opposite sex, because that's what marriage is.

Nope.

Also a fair share of criticism for the staff of GTP - deleting all the posts in the whole argument was serious overkill.

Let me tell you a little story.

Once upon a time there was a member called Master Gator. One day, February 10th 2014, he decided to make a post in GTPlanet's Homosexuality thread. It was a long and not very nice post that started - started, mark you - like this:

All faggots should ****ing die! **** faggots 1

It got progressively worse from there. The GTP staff decided that Master Gator's thoughts didn't make for a nice environment on the site and removed him from it, along with those particular thoughts.

Master Gator decided that he didn't want to be removed from GTPlanet and returned after a week or so of brooding as AlligatorMike. AlligatorMike participated in other parts of the forum, slowly and inoffensively for a handful of months. But then the itch to behave phenomenally abusively struck again and he posted once again in this thread. This time he left off the barely censored expletives, but still had his opening gambit as:

Fags are too mainstream, it was better when they were underground.

The GTP staff decided that the urge to abuse - and be seen abusing - homosexuals was clearly overwhelming in Master Gator/AlligatorMike and removed both him and him abuse from the site again.

You see, there's two things trolls love. Talking and being talked about. When dealing with trolls it's vital to remove both of these things to undermine their efforts to get attention.

However, every once in a while, a GTP member determines that, when removing trolls, the GTP staff - who have a frankly excellent track record in dealing with abusive members and trolls to retain a pleasant environment for all - don't know what we're doing and, rather than contacting us as directed, post in the thread the troll was removed from to talk about the troll we removed and give the troll the exact attention we starved him of by removing his posts.

And we came so close to all living happily ever after as well.


1 - Part of the reason I find the whole "don't call people Hitler" discussion so amusing. The Holocaust wasn't just Jews - gypsies, the disabled and, yes, homosexuals were rounded up and slaughtered too. "All faggots should ****ing die"... seems pretty close to Nazi policy to me

 

[BobK]

Oh for 🤬 sake, can you go 2 days without using hybrids and pony that way?

That's a rhetorical question, innit?

 

[Liquid]

But its like that with a lot of things for me...I like something so why doesn't everyone else like it sort of thing.

And the problem I have with that is, why would it even get that far? Why would you even consider liking hybrids and ponies an option?

Both of you are still in your teens so there is an element of youthful ignorance in your favour, however a consistent attitude of "Why doesn't everyone like the same thing as me?" is known as the false-consensus effect. Or, if you're a fan of TV Tropes, Opinion Myopia.

Wiki - False Consensus Effect

TV Tropes - Opinion Myopia

The false-consensus effect or false-consensus bias is a cognitive bias whereby a person tends to overestimate the extent to which their beliefs or opinions are typical of those of others. There is a tendency for people to assume that their own opinions, beliefs, preferences, values, and habits are "normal" and that others also think the same way that they do.

As others have pointed out, some blokes like tall girls, some like fat girls, some like redheads, some like foreign girls. And some, like it or not, like other guys. To each, their own.

It's something you should probably stamp out as soon as possible in your lives, if you're not already trying to do so.

 

[BobK]

Then, simply put, the step you're missing is "maturing". I don't mean this as an insult - we're all teenagers at one point or another - but you quickly grow out of the "my way is the right way" attitude out in the adult world.

Unfortunately there are all too many people who never grow out of it.

 

[VindictiveScrub]

Unfortunately there are all too many people who never grow out of it.

Pfft, maturity is an entirely lost process anymore, and it's not just my generation and younger. A lot of baby boomers apparently decided maturity was unimportant across many facets. It's sad that practically no one can even grasp when to buck up and just be decent these days, and I'm not just talking about equal rights.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Oh for 🤬 sake, can you go 2 days without using hybrids and pony that way?

Hmmm, I probably need to see a video before I make my mind up on this one...

As others have pointed out, some blokes like tall girls, some like fat girls, some like redheads, some like foreign girls. And some, like it or not, like other guys.

With this in too, any combo.

 

[Dude27]

I am sure that if you add the first two rows, they are all religious brainwashed tarts....
Seriously it's the 21th century, not the dark ages... EVOLVE! (oh but yes, you don't "believe" in it )

 

[FoolKiller]

Both of you are still in your teens so there is an element of youthful ignorance in your favour, however a consistent attitude of "Why doesn't everyone like the same thing as me?" is known as the false-consensus effect. Or, if you're a fan of TV Tropes, Opinion Myopia.

Wiki - False Consensus Effect

TV Tropes - Opinion Myopia

And then, once you get past this point in your life you sit around going, "What the hell is wrong with everybody," or you try seeing why you are in the minority. Sometimes you find you are in the minority because most people can be very stupid, so that doesn't help.

 

[Danoff]

TV Tropes - Opinion Myopia

Awful examples. Nobody I've ever met liked Revenge of the Fallen. Everyone I've ever introduced Firefly to has loved it. And they do need to be introduced because unlike Transformers, they didn't know about it.

So maybe that's a real thing, but those two movies are dumb examples.

 

[Liquid]

I included it because I quite liked the term opinion myopia. As it says in the article, the more scientific equivalent is the false consensus effect.

 

[sammy neuman]

I very often have to remind myself that I am a statistical universe of one. Except sometimes it might be three or four. At any rate, a rather small sample.

 

[LeMansAid]

In most instances, people bring up the Jim Crowe era.

While civil rights laws did end Jim Crowe, that argument ignores that fact that it was Jim Crowe laws, not just some social movement. If your business treated black people equally you could get in trouble. Due to the laws at the time, we have no way of knowing what society would have done. I think that looking at more northern states shows that not all of society did or wanted to act that way.

I think the problem that we run into today is that we are getting a rebound effect. We keep talking about it, keep turning every little thing into a huge issue, and feeding the debate. If media reserved the race card for true and clear issues of racism, rather than pulling it out every chance they get, then maybe we will all calm down.

Definitely a very valid example situation, but also one that could be deemed best case scenario. In talking about whether or not a population's collective attitude will change to fairness of it's own volition and circumvent the need for laws, I think we should actually look at worst case scenario. I doubt that I'm any more a fan of "fake it 'til you make it" than you are, it's just that maybe sometimes it's a necessary, temporary evil.

Then again, there's surely an interplay between laws and by-choice progression. A sudden law change in Saudi Arabia for example might just have the opposite of the intended effect. Perhaps the role of law is to consolidate and build on progressive mindsets. It's kind of like tackling a big fish on a line: you can't just reel in or tug on the line, you have to do both alternately.

I agree on rebound. What starts out as the right thing for the right cause, ends up overbalancing and being the wrong thing for the right cause, and ultimately the wrong thing for the wrong cause.

I very often have to remind myself that I am a statistical universe of one. Except sometimes it might be three or four. At any rate, a rather small sample.

I don't think that multiple personality disorder counts for multiples.

No I know what you meant, but it got me thinking about a case where a guy would drink orange juice as one personality and be fine, unless another personality came through soon after. Some of the others were allergic and would immediately show physical signs of allergic reaction.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/06/28/science/probing-the-enigma-of-multiple-personality.html

I can only imagine the trauma that being both a homophobe and gay person in one body could cause.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I can only imagine the trauma that being both a homophobe and gay person in one body could cause.

Imagine! here's a probability that you've seen some of that traumatic outflow in this thread

 

[sammy neuman]

@LeMansAid : A comment, not a critique. I've known people with MPD, and not in a clinical setting. There was nothing funny about it except sometimes the choice was to either laugh or cry.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

... I'm a practicing Buddhist.

So, yeah. All Americans aren't bible thumpers from backwoods Alabama.

I asked this same question in the Islam thread.

I know that a Christian that does not adhere to the faith will burn for all eternity in a lake of fire. What happens if a Buddhist does not adhere to the faith?

 

[eran0004]

A somewhat famous* Christian debator in Sweden recently said that gay marriage and girls getting an education leads to nazism and gang violence. So for him it's apparently a serious problem.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/valaret2014/article19142546.ab

Personally, I think he's the one who's got a problem

On a side note, it's funny how on one hand it's claimed that homosexuality is against nature, and on the other hand there's a fear that everyone will become gay if nothing is done to prevent it.

(* Famous = he hosted a popular TV-show a few decades ago)

 

[DK]

Gay marriage leads to Nazism.

Does this moron even know what the Nazis did to gays?

 

[Azuremen]

I know that a Christian that does not adhere to the faith will burn for all eternity in a lake of fire. What happens if a Buddhist does not adhere to the faith?

They don't progress down the path to Enlightenment. There is no eternal punishment, but rather you do not escape the suffering you bring on yourself, reincarnation options included.

 

[Harsk100]

I don't mind if the people of same sex gets involved each other but I don't do these things.

 

[Danoff]

I don't mind if the people of same sex gets involved each other but I don't do these things.

I'm glad you added that last part. It is always important to point out that you're not gay any time you discuss it.

 

[Bo]

I'm glad you added that last part. It is always important to point out that you're not gay any time you discuss it.

English isn't his first language, so he doesn't mean it in that sense.

 

[Liquid]

English isn't his first language, so he doesn't mean it in that sense.

No, but it isn't a language barrier thing. It's the need to point out something which isn't really relevant, and in fact could, and I stress could, raise other questions as a suspiciously specific denial.

It would be the same if that was written in pretty much any language.

 

[sammy neuman]

Chrunch Houston said
I know that a Christian that does not adhere to the faith will burn for all eternity in a lake of fire. What happens if a Buddhist does not adhere to the faith?

Not all Christians subscribe to the notion of burning for eternity, among other things. It would be mistake to place all of us in the same pigeonhole. In general, the less doctrinaire and dogmatic a denomination (group of churches) or congregation (group of believers), the wider the range of viewpoints to be found within that group.

 

[Famine]

Chrunch Houston said

If you hit the "Reply" button in the bottom right corner of someone's post it quotes it all for you AND sends them a notification that they've been replied to... If you don't, it makes your posts very awkward to read and stunts any conversation by not letting the people involved know that there is one...

 

[Liquid]

Not all Christians subscribe to the notion of burning for eternity, among other things. It would be mistake to place all of us in the same pigeonhole. In general, the less doctrinaire and dogmatic a denomination (group of churches) or congregation (group of believers), the wider the range of viewpoints to be found within that group.

This is one of my problems with religion. There is no one canon to be found and agreed upon. If the word of god was as true and infallible as it is supposed to be, there shouldn't be room for interpretation. And yes, he would also be able to compensate for human error in reading his will. He is god after all.

Never mind Christians vs Atheists, I want to see a Christian vs Christian debate. Catholic vs Protestant. Mormon vs Presbyterian. Young Earth Creationist vs Evolutionary Creationist. Or Sunni vs Shia. I don't discriminate between religions.

And I do stress debate. The very fact that god's word can be so misinterpreted has led to some of the worst suffering humanity has ever committed.

Oh wait, off topic. Whoops.

 

[sammy neuman]

If you hit the "Reply" button in the bottom right corner of someone's post it quotes it all for you AND sends them a notification that they've been replied to... If you don't, it makes your posts very awkward to read and stunts any conversation by not letting the people involved know that there is one...

Well, thank you. The old site had a "quote" button. I Was gone for a while, and came back after the change. Though I looked for the explanation I did not find it. I knew it would be something that exposed my basic bloody mindedness and computer illiteracy and make me look stupid as well. I suppose I could have asked. Everyone will be relieved.

 

[zzz_pt]

WTF Singapore...

 

[Danoff]

WTF Singapore...

It took a while for us to find a good book about alternative families to read to our daughter, who is genetically related to a donor. The book includes some comments about gay couples, but we needed it for other reasons. Banning that sort of thing is counter productive.

 

[Dotini]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...dge-says-incest-may-no-longer-be-a-taboo.html

A judge in Australia has decided in a case that incest is no longer taboo, and is now on a par with homosexuality. (Perhaps he's been watching Game of Thrones?)

It is hinted that pedophilia is likewise becoming less taboo.

Speaking as a person born in the first half of the 20th century, I find it amazing how much liberalization has taken place in the realm of Western sexuality. First came the waves of feminine lib, BDSM, then gay and lesbian movements, open pornography, bisexual and transgender movements, now incest and pedo.

It is all of a piece, parts of a whole. You cannot discuss one without reference to the other.