The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[Beeblebrox237]

Obviously not, I try to be honest in all things. Why do you smell hypocrisy?

Do you really?

Just ordered my F12.

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Most people get it in red but I decide to have mine in silver, I like it a lot. This snapshot was before I went through all the options.

Front Camera and Rear Camera
Scuderia Badges
Thats about it.

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For the interior.

Black leather
Carbon Fiber Trim
Red Seat Belts
White Stitching
Red Rev Counter
The racing seats, for autocross and trackdays.
And a Golf bag. I do like golf.

It will be at my local dealer in about 6 months so it should be here in May, just before summer!

Cant wait!!!! XD

So, how's the F12? Had a nice summer with it, have you?

@FoolKiller When it says men it means both sexes, I don't know why.

You know, usually when the word "men" is used in a sexual context, it's referring to men and not women. Otherwise wouldn't heterosexual sex also be considered sex among men? After all, it involves both sexes.

And if one can be born gay, I'd like to see a study that has proven this. Right now I cant fathom that two straight people can produce offspring that is born homosexual.

Just because you can't fathom it doesn't mean it isn't true.

@odnomre In the bible, it tells us to spread the word of God. If we do that, why would God throw us into hell?

Treat others how you want to be treated. If you wish to treat homosexuals like inferior people, don't be surprised if other people treat you as if you were inferior.

Can you enlighten me? Don't understand what you mean.

Anyone with any sense will only take evidence from peer reviewed or credible sources. A peer reviewed scientific paper has been reviewed by a number of other scientists who didn't write the paper. This means that it has been verified to be scientific, and as such it will be factual and accurate. Anyone can write an article on a website, but only a real scientist can publish a peer reviewed paper.

In other words, you asked for evidence and you got the best in the world. You countered with complete BS and anyone who knows anything about finding real information on any given subject knows it. If you actually take that sort of article seriously then you need to stop everything and completely change the way you take in information, because at the moment you'll clearly believe anything.

 

[LeadFootLiam]

Do you really?

Yes.

So, how's the F12?

That was a joke. I drive a Miata.

You know, usually when the word "men" is used in a sexual context, it's referring to men and not women. Otherwise wouldn't heterosexual sex also be considered sex among men? After all, it involves both sexes.

Im sure there is a reason behind why it only says men. Lesbians are not accepted in my religion unless they change.

Just because you can't fathom it doesn't mean it isn't true.

Right

Treat others how you want to be treated. If you wish to treat homosexuals like inferior people, don't be surprised if other people treat you as if you were inferior.

Just because I don't approve of them doesn't mean I treat them like a lesser person. The lesbian at my work is actually really nice, she likes cars as well. She also had a business where she would do custom interior paint work in peoples cars. She showed some of her work, and I was impressed.

I don't accept that fact that she is a lesbian, but I'm not going to treat her any different than other people.

 

[Carbonox]

Im sure there is a reason behind why it only says men. Lesbians are not accepted in my religion unless they change.

They might not get accepted into organized groups, but in this free world, they're still fully entitled to Christian beliefs just like any straight person would be.

I don't accept that fact that she is a lesbian, but I'm not going to treat her any different than other people.

Why don't you accept it? Does it affect your life in a negative way?

 

[Odnomre]

Lesbians are not accepted in my religion unless they change.

I don't accept that fact that she is a lesbian, but I'm not going to treat her any different than other people.

Mmhmm...

 

[Scaff]

I don't accept that fact that she is a lesbian, but I'm not going to treat her any different than other people.

You are already treating her in a different way to all the heterosexual people you meet (well the people you assume are heterosexual - 'they' don't have badges after all), as such your statement is patently untrue.

Also any chance at all of you addressing the points I've made?

 

[LeadFootLiam]

Mmhmm...

If that girl from work came to one of our Kingdom Halls, she would be welcomed, but they wouldn't allow her to do the things that JWs do, like knock on doors.

If she would be willing to stop being a lesbian, a member from the congregation would start helping her study the bible.

No matter if your straight, gay, old young, or whatever, you can literally walk into any Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witness, and be welcomed by them.

Should have been more clear with my words. :/

 

[Scaff]

I wasn't sure what it was exactly when I wanted to write it down. I thought it was "Thou shalt not kill", and Wikipedia confirmed it as one of the translations from Hebrew. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_kill

It is one of the translations and the one used now, however even a quick look over the OT makes it quite clear that god has no issue at all with killing, as long as its done in his name. Murder is by far the most accurate translation given the context of the OT (either than or we just add it to the list of contradictions).

 

[Carbonox]

If that girl from work came to one of our Kingdom Halls, she would be welcomed, but they wouldn't allow her to do the things that JWs do, like knock on doors.

She better ring doorbells then.

 

[LeadFootLiam]

You are already treating her in a different way to all the heterosexual people you meet (well the people you assume are heterosexual - 'they' don't have badges after all), as such your statement is patently untrue.

Also any chance at all of you addressing the points I've made?

Kinda, I looked up the conformational bias, and could see your point.

She better ring doorbells then.

We ring them too smarty pants.

 

[Odnomre]

If that girl from work came to one of our Kingdom Halls, she would be welcomed, but they wouldn't allow her to do the things that JWs do, like knock on doors.

If she would be willing to stop being a lesbian, a member from the congregation would start helping her study the bible.

No matter if your straight, gay, old young, or whatever, you can literally walk into any Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witness, and be welcomed by them.

Should have been more clear with my words. :/

You treat her differently. She wouldn't have the same priviliges as you would, just because she'd much rather look at woman than a guy.

Also. "If she would be willing to stop being a lesbian". What? You still think we willingly flip a switch to become gay/bisexual? It's been adressed many times before that there's some genetic part that makes us prefer a certain gender, or both.

Why would I ever choose to be homosexual? It could get me harrassed, bullied, attacked or even killed. Now if you'd please explain to me why ANYONE would "choose" for something like that, that would be nice. Because I'd love to be told that I've been trying to hide my own "choice" since age 12

 

[Beeblebrox237]

Yes.

That was a joke. I drive a Miata.

So why did you respond with this when asked for proof?

"Permission to say, oh c**k."

Nobody says something like that when trying to show what they did was a joke.

Im sure there is a reason behind why it only says men. Lesbians are not accepted in my religion unless they change.

So you're not sure why it also refers to women, but you're sure that it does? Just what kind of BS are they feeding you? I stand by my previous statement:

When the word "men" is used in a sexual context, it's referring to men, not women. Otherwise wouldn't heterosexual sex also be considered sex among men? After all, it involves both sexes.

Right

I can't tell if that's sarcastic or not, but it most certainly is right. Though you probably can't get your head around that, either.

I don't accept that fact that she is a lesbian, but I'm not going to treat her any different than other people.

I don't accept the fact that you're straight, but I'm not going to treat you different from anyone else.

The fact that you don't accept her sexuality is treating her differently. Until you get your head around that I'm going to assume that you're gay and treat you as such. Been out with any handsome guys lately?

they wouldn't allow her to do the things that JWs do, like knock on doors.

That's not equal treatment. Would you go against your congregation and allow her to do those things? That's equal treatment. If not, then you're being discriminatory.

If she would be willing to stop being a lesbian, a member from the congregation would start helping her study the bible.

But not if she continued to accept her sexuality? Sounds like discrimination again.

No matter if your straight, gay, old young, or whatever, you can literally walk into any Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witness, and be welcomed by them.

What you just listed previously was not welcoming. It's just plain bigoted.

Should have been more clear with my words. :/

Yes, now you've made it completely clear that you discriminate against gay people, while before that we weren't 100% sure.

 

[FoolKiller]

I found this article quite interesting, especially point 4.
http://socialinqueery.com/2013/03/18/no-one-is-born-gay-or-straight-here-are-5-reasons-why/

For spits and giggles I will play this game. Point 4 compares homosexuality to liking cheddar cheese.

Ok. Ever notice that as someone gets older their tastes change, not always to healthier food, but they just stop liking certain things and start liking things they didn't before? Your taste buds change over time. When you eat food it triggers taste buds and sends a signal to the brain, which becomes interpreted as pleasant or bad. Pleasant tastes create the same chemical reaction in the brain as using drugs, having fun, or having an orgasm. The degree of the pleasure determines the amount of the chemicals released.

So, say you have the physical makeup to like cheddar cheese, but don't have access to ever taste any. No, you won't crave cheddar cheese, but the moment you do try it you will find it pleasurable. Apply that to homosexuality. Attraction isn't controlled by something constantly changing, like taste buds, but if you have the physical makeup to be attracted to other men you wouldn't realize it if you never saw one. You'd probably be the most popular person in the village, being the only dude. But then you meet a man. Suddenly you are drawn to him.

Similarly, heterosexuals walk amongst the opposite sex daily without desiring everyone of them they try. But when I met my wife I felt a clear difference between her and every other woman I had ever met or dated. If I never met my wife would that mean that we weren't perfectly compatible as a couple, or would it just mean that I never met the one?

Sorry, people can argue not natural a million ways, but nature or nurture, we are a combination of electrical signals and chemicals. Sure we can fight natural urges, but at our base everything we enjoy doing is because our physiology tell us it is.

Im sure there is a reason behind why it only says men. Lesbians are not accepted in my religion unless they change.

If that girl from work came to one of our Kingdom Halls, she would be welcomed, but they wouldn't allow her to do the things that JWs do, like knock on doors.

If she would be willing to stop being a lesbian, a member from the congregation would start helping her study the bible.

No matter if your straight, gay, old young, or whatever, you can literally walk into any Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witness, and be welcomed by them.

Should have been more clear with my words. :/

Ah, so you all treat homosexuals the way you used to treat minorities?

http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/the-racist-history-of-watchtower-literature

I don't know how accurate it is, but it's at least as accurate as the link you posted.

 

[DQuaN]

If she would be willing to stop being a lesbian, a member from the congregation would start helping her study the bible.

This bit is supremely idiotic.

She IS a lesbian. She was born as, is and always will be a lesbian.

Willing will do nothing to change that.

It is NOT a choice.

 

[Scaff]

Kinda, I looked up the conformational bias, and could see your point.

And what do you intend to do with that realisation?

 

[LeadFootLiam]

And what do you intend to do with that realisation?

I don't know, not be biased?

Highly regret posting in this thread. And I really don't have time to explain myself to everyone of you, have better things to do than argue with ones who are far better educated than me.

I don't approve of a gay/lesbian lifestyle.

 

[Carbonox]

I don't know, not be biased?

Highly regret posting in this thread. And I really don't have time to explain myself to everyone of you, have better things to do than argue with ones who are far better educated than me.

I don't approve of a gay/lesbian lifestyle.

Yeah...

By the way, someone else already said it, but a "gay/lesbian lifestyle" doesn't really exist. It's as if we were talking about a white or black lifestyle. It's called generalization.

 

[LeadFootLiam]

Yeah...

By the way, someone else already said it, but a "gay/lesbian lifestyle" doesn't really exist. It's as if we were talking about a white or black lifestyle. It's called generalization.

Then what do say instead? I don't approve of gay people?

 

[Carbonox]

Then what do say instead? I don't approve of gay people?

If you didn't approve of gay people altogether, I doubt you'd be friends with any of them.

You're more like "I don't approve of intercourse between two consenting adults of the same gender because my religion follows a 2000 year old book that happens to prohibit it".

 

[Beeblebrox237]

I don't know, not be biased?

Highly regret posting in this thread. And I really don't have time to explain myself to everyone of you, have better things to do than argue with ones who are far better educated than me.

I don't approve of a gay/lesbian lifestyle.

I've said it once and I'll say it again:

There is no "homosexual lifestyle". Anyone who says otherwise is using it as an excuse to be homophobic.

 

[dddsprayshop]

Are you saying all gays have been born gay?

Here is what the bible says.

1 Corinthians 6:9,10

Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled.Those who are sexually immoral,idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people,drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom.

Hello. You are not the first person and you will not be the last, that's qoutes the bible.
No offence, you believe, and i just want to explain my view.You believe and i respect that, but i will not accept it, that believers want to force a "god" law on to me that is written by mortal humans.
1st, the bible say's nothing, it is a collection of writings done by people."God" did not write the book.
2nd, These writings started 3500 years ago and stopped after the biography of jezus.around 1535 years later, so there are almost 2000 years that "god" is silent or not acceptable to add to the current bible
3rd, figurely speaking: if you throw the bible at me, i avoid it and it falls on the ground.

I base my judgement, about people, on my human feelings, and they tell me this.
I'm human, and so are homosexuals, the base of homosexuals is that they are human beings.
I want to be treated with respect, so i treat other people with respect untill they prove otherwise.
So i treat homosexuals as normal human beings.Yes, i write that, normal.

I'm not homosexual, but i have never met any homosexual person that tried to convince or force me to become homosexual or that heterosexual is wrong.

This is only for believers against homosexuality.
Using "god" 's word to "enslave" homosexuals into heterosexuality is wrong.Yes i used "slave". In my mind, forcing people into something they don't want to be, is enslaving.

I don't know why this is done, this judging of homosexual people. I think it is based on fear, but again, i don't really know.

Have a nice day.

 

[zzz_pt]

As if a single aspect of my life could define my "lifestyle" (whatever that is).

As if me loving my girlfriend was everything I do, think and aim to be doing every second of my existence. No.

And how brainwashed can someone be to condemn love.

 

[PeterJB]

In this context, I'm guessing "lifestyle" would refer to homosexual dating and sex, which would make it somewhat analogous to sexual conduct, which is distinct from sexual orientation.

 

[Imari]

And if one can be born gay, I'd like to see a study that has proven this. Right now I cant fathom that two straight people can produce offspring that is born homosexual.

Read up on genetic dominance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominance_(genetics)

Imagine that each person has two genes that determine their sexuality. This isn't true (it's far more complex than that) but it's a nice simple illustration to demonstrate the principle.

The blue R is heterosexuality. It is dominant and one copy of this gene overrides whatever else the other gene is.
The red r is homosexuality. It is recessive, and can only be "active" if there is no dominant gene overriding it.

So, the pairs RR, and Rr are heterosexual. The second carries the homosexual gene, but it is overridden by the dominant heterosexual gene.
The pair rr is homosexual.

When a child is conceived, one of each pair of genes comes from each parent. You can see in the diagram above that this gives four genetic possibilities for the children.

In that particular example, both parents are heterosexual but carry the recessive homosexual gene. One of their children may be rr, that is to say, homosexual.


BIG DISCLAIMER: This sort of genetics was originally observed in plants and only works in humans for a few characteristics. Homosexuality is not one of them, there is no such thing as a "homosexual" gene. The above is used only as an on-topic primer into how two parents with one characteristic can produce a child with a different characteristic.

If you want an easily observable real world example, you can find red headed children from families where neither of the parents are red heads.

 

[justin credible]

Not old enough not to keep going on about it five days down the line... I mean, it was one hell of an effort even to bring it up just then - it wasn't even on anyone else's mind when they read @LeadFootLiam's post that you got caught using lazy language at the beginning of the week.

Use it as a learning experience - after all, you're never too old to learn, and you should learn something new every day. Yours between Tuesday and the present should be that "homos" isn't a polite way to refer to homosexuals and "normal" is not a polite way to refer to heterosexuals - and that gives you two days free to learn more things.

You just don't get it do you, I had parked the posts I got after my post with the words in no one likes in the Whatever bin and forgotten about it to be honest, I only came back to the thread as I had alerts and just thought ok lets have a look what going on see if it was worth a read or not. I noticed Leadfoot getting the similar kind of what I call pedantic picking apart of his post not discussion or debate on his posts by most and he was making the same mistake I made by trying to be kind and apologising for his simple honest mistakes and all he got in return was more pedanticness, so I thought hang on that's what I was getting so decided to do him a favour and suggest he takes no notice, just some friendly advice his choice if he listens. That's it no hidden agenda no more no less just some friendly advice.
Like I said before I apologised for the words I used as it upset people, just being nice I was, It's gone and done and from now on I couldn't care what people think of me and I won't change my ways for the sake of an internet site. All people will upset someone with there posts sometime even when they don't mean to, tough if you don't like it ignore it simple enough to comprehend I know I ignore all the stuff I don't like like racisim and other vile things I have read on some of the sites I have seen. Reason I ignore it is what's the point of telling someone they are wrong on the internet? If it is there opinions then it is there opinions I might not agree with them but so what, there happy with there opinions let them get on with it, who am I to change there mind on there own opinions. A good debate is viewing other peoples opinions and discussing how they come to have that opinion, An argument is trying to change peoples opinions by trying to force yours up on them, a pointless task. The internet is not the place for serious discussion on subjects which touch nerves with a lot of people like religon politics and a few more.
Debate is great, advice is kind, There you go said my peice so no one can misunderstand thinking I have an ulterior motive because I haven't. A bit more advice if I may Don't take things so serious man it is an internet site and as far as learning new things I am to old to stubborn and to ignorant if you wish to call it that as when I log off I don't even give sites a second thought it's a bit of fun to kill some time that's all like reading a leaflet in the dentists just something to do to pass the waiting time not something you remember or really take any notice of. End of discussion for me chaps enjoy your day. Lazy language hehe that's a new one on me, Hey I have learned something. Take care all the best and rock on peace brothers.

 

[Odnomre]

Huge wall of text

There's two keys on your keyboard called Enter/Return, and the "comma"

Spacing and breaking up long continuous sentences might be a good idea in the future. I had a very hard time reading your post, and i'm sure many others agree with me.

 

[justin credible]

There's two keys on your keyboard called Enter/Return, and the "comma"

Spacing and breaking up long continuous sentences might be a good idea in the future. I had a very hard time reading your post, and i'm sure many others agree with me.

I am not perfect sorry, it is not that good of a read to be honest you could give it a miss and you won't have missed anything. I am very drunk I know I shouldn't waffle rubbish on here when I am, I have just read it back and it is like did I do that. Point taken and it's time to go to bed.
Goodnight Odnomre peace be with you.

 

[Imari]

Reason I ignore it is what's the point of telling someone they are wrong on the internet?

Why do you even bother to come to a discussion section of the internet?

A good debate is viewing other peoples opinions and discussing how they come to have that opinion, An argument is trying to change peoples opinions by trying to force yours up on them, a pointless task.

In your opinion, this is true. Some wish to discuss our opinions to make sure that they are as robust as possible. That includes having other people point out the flaws in them. Some people value being right more than they value feeling like a special snowflake.

If I'm wrong, I would rather Famine or Liam or someone in this thread point out to me how they think I'm wrong so that I can consider whether I want to correct my opinion or not.

The internet is not the place for serious discussion on subjects which touch nerves with a lot of people like religon politics and a few more.

Again, to you it isn't.

I find that debate on the internet is generally more enlightening than in real life. There's seriously knowledgeable people taking part, and the whole discussion is available for review at any time if you feel like you missed something. It's slower and different to a real conversation, but there's a lot more opportunity to learn stuff that you otherwise wouldn't have come into contact with talking to the people around you.

I think this is particularly true of religious types, whose community generally shares similar views to themselves. Discussing those topics in a group that does not have that same background can be challenging, as there's potential for disagreements at a level that simply don't occur between people who share a faith. It's less so for non-believers, who have been essentially individualists for some time and are more experienced at reevaluating and justifying their own opinions in the face of criticism.

Others may have their own reasons for turning to the internet for discussion on "serious" topics, but there's pretty good evidence in front of you that there's a reasonable amount of people that do enjoy it. It doesn't seem particularly polite to come in and tell everyone they're doing it wrong by attempting to have real intellectual discussions on the internet.

The internet is no longer just a toy for nerds living in their parents basements, as you may have noticed.

 

[TRGTspecialist]

I am very drunk

Well that explains a lot!

The internet is no longer just a toy for nerds living in their parents basements, as you may have noticed.

Yeah, now we're like changing the world with it, man

Highly regret posting in this thread. And I really don't have time to explain myself to everyone of you, have better things to do than argue with ones who are far better educated than me

Just remember that whilst you think you're doing no wrong as long as you are "nice" to such people, by condemning the way they are you are contributing to a culture that views them as not normal and not right. This causes suffering. And as long as you hold your belief you are a part of that - you can't pretend otherwise.

 

[justin credible]

Why do you even bother to come to a discussion section of the internet?



In your opinion, this is true. Some wish to discuss our opinions to make sure that they are as robust as possible. That includes having other people point out the flaws in them. Some people value being right more than they value feeling like a special snowflake.

If I'm wrong, I would rather Famine or Liam or someone in this thread point out to me how they think I'm wrong so that I can consider whether I want to correct my opinion or not.



Again, to you it isn't.

I find that debate on the internet is generally more enlightening than in real life. There's seriously knowledgeable people taking part, and the whole discussion is available for review at any time if you feel like you missed something. It's slower and different to a real conversation, but there's a lot more opportunity to learn stuff that you otherwise wouldn't have come into contact with talking to the people around you.

I think this is particularly true of religious types, whose community generally shares similar views to themselves. Discussing those topics in a group that does not have that same background can be challenging, as there's potential for disagreements at a level that simply don't occur between people who share a faith. It's less so for non-believers, who have been essentially individualists for some time and are more experienced at reevaluating and justifying their own opinions in the face of criticism.

Others may have their own reasons for turning to the internet for discussion on "serious" topics, but there's pretty good evidence in front of you that there's a reasonable amount of people that do enjoy it. It doesn't seem particularly polite to come in and tell everyone they're doing it wrong by attempting to have real intellectual discussions on the internet.

The internet is no longer just a toy for nerds living in their parents basements, as you may have noticed.

1. I was bored and fancied a look at what was going on/ see if I could have a laugh on here.
2. Good luck with that I couldn't care if people agree with me or not, some people do and that's there perogative to do so.
3. I disagree but each to there own.
4. As long as there happy good luck to them
5. As long as Facebook Twitter and similar sites are up and running the internet will be a laughing stock. And it is just like a toy good fun when you play with it and a pain in the rear and boring when it breaks.

I know I am the minority in my views and I don't expect people to care much what I say so on that I will bid you all a farewell as I have found a site today which is right up my street to say it has similar threads to here in the opinions and current events line but is far more relaxed and no one there seems to mind honest opinions not the opinions of what seem like a PC written quote so peace to you all and I hope riches and good luck smiles on you all. Justin over and out of this section of the site. Or I could say I am bored out my brain in this thread.


HA HA got ya I bet you went cheeky b******. Peace to you all.

 

[Liquid]

Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out. Wouldn't want you to be unable to talk, would we?