Nope. I'm not discussing this anymore because you continue to need to have things repeated to you...
It's not repeating when you haven't actually explained the reasoning behind anything.
Saying "discriminating based on race or sexuality is wrong" doesn't give any strength to the argument. I keep asking the same questions because you're not providing me with any rationale or justification as to why such a thing is preferable, in any sense of the word.
...along with the fact you continue to restrict everything to the wedding example.
If you'd like to use something else I'm more than happy to. I was continuing to use that because it's relevant, but if you want to address other similar situations then that would be fine.
There may be some little merit there considering marriage is considered sacred to some religious folks...
Meh.
...but it doesn't apply to everything else where a gay may be rejected service for no other reason than he's gay, despite the fact it may not make that person any different from you or me.
Why not?
Why is it not right to refuse service to blacks/gays for reason based on skin tone/sexual preference alone? It's prejudice against the group for no legitimate reason.
Of course it is. It's a nasty thing to do and we should not encourage it.
Why should it be illegal?
If I told you we should be allowed to tell a black person I refuse his business because he's black, I'd be deemed a racist. It's no different from a gay & that I would be called homophobic.
Yep.
And I think you should be able to refuse someone service for being black, if you're the sort of horrible person who really hates black people that much. I think you'll get your comeuppance soon enough, and I'd rather know honestly that you're refusing black people service because they're black than have you make up some lie so that you can avoid serving them.
I think we need to break this down.
Do you disagree that discrimination of this sort unavoidable? In the sense that a person who wishes to discriminate will be able to do so regardless of whether there are laws restricting discrimination of any given group?
If you answered no to the above, would you prefer that the sort of people who would do this identify themselves openly, or would you prefer that they conceal their discriminatory behaviour?
If anyone needs a good reason to think some more, it's you for even asking such a thing as, "Why is it wrong to refuse service based on race/gay or not"? Absolutely not worth my time to respond to you anymore.
Oh sure. Asking the question is the problem.
If you cannot answer the question simply and clearly then it obviously was a damn good question. You're the one throwing your toys out of the pram just because I've asked you a tough question and I'm not accepting "but racism and sexism is bad" as a justification.
They are bad, but you're going to need to explain why, and you're going to need to explain why they're bad enough that they're worth infringing someone's "right" to be an :censored:hole. Or if I'm not being facetious, someone's right to serve customers and sell goods to the customers they choose.
If I'm a business owner, I have no obligation to serve ANYONE (with certain exceptions granted for things like emergency services). If I choose to only serve a small subset of people who meet criteria of my choice, such as left handed Albanian dwarves over the age of 50, then that's my concern and mine alone. Sucks to be anyone who isn't a left handed Albanian dwarf over 50.
It's hard for people to accept this, but racists will be racist, sexists will be sexist, and homophobes will be homophobic. It shouldn't be a crime. They should absolutely face significant censure from their peers, but I'm yet to hear a coherent argument for why it's necessary that it should be made illegal to be racist or sexist or homophobic.
