The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[YSSMAN]

Aramaic --> Greek --> Hebrew --> Latin --> German --> English

"Lost in Translation" certainly applies here more than any other text in the world.

 

[Sage]

Mr. Deity and the Tour de Hell

 

[CraftyLandShark]

Aramaic --> Greek --> Hebrew --> Latin --> German --> English

"Lost in Translation" certainly applies here more than any other text in the world.

No kidding... and we're usually faced with the standard rebuttal that "God intervened to ensure accurate translation".

Oi.

At least with the New Testament we get to skip the Aramaic part. As far as I know, it was Greek from the outset - and was probably translated to Hebrew contemporary to its composition.

 

[BayConRong]

No kidding... and we're usually faced with the standard rebuttal that "God intervened to ensure accurate translation".

Oi.

At least with the New Testament we get to skip the Aramaic part. As far as I know, it was Greek from the outset - and was probably translated to Hebrew contemporary to its composition.

it's also possible that it was added upon, and altered to suit the needs of people. One bible, i beleive it's the king james one, doesn't mention wine anywhere in the book but all other versions contain some sort of reference to wine or whiskey.

and don't forget that great catholayoiewsoi-c church!

they wanted to bible to be only in latin. when it was translated into other languages for us common folk the church whiped out thier pious stick and denounced it. why? because then the church couldn't say that the book wanted them to kill all the islams or jews. have you also realized that 90% of wars are caused by someone who didn't like another person's religion?

I'm not saying "Do your best buddy in the Butt for religion" but maybe people are skewing the truth of the bible. the rally cry for the crusades was that god wanted them to kill people in the holy land, it says so in the bible.

dunno, start your flaiming...... now!

 

[FoolKiller]

Apparently Homosexuality is mentioned in the last book of the New Testament. If someone could do some research on that, it would be great for this discussion imo.

The best I can see is that in Revelation it mentions those who will be thrown into the lake of fire and mentions those that are "depraved and defiled with abominations." Since Leviticus uses the term abomination to define homosexuality it is assumed that is who is meant.

Of course, as Leviticus uses the term abomination very frequently a large number of people, not criticized by Christians, could be lumped into that as well.

Basically, any reference some one gives to Revelation links it back to Leviticus, and is thus still plagued with all the problems it was before: people have managed to ignore everything else.

 

[Denur]

I agree Pako. It's all the same. No sin is greater than another.
As far as homosexuality is concerned , I have a problem with people who think they are born homosexual. It's a choice not a birth defect.

Well, so far I've only been on the GT5 sub-forum, but decided to have a look around the place. This thread somehow got my attention (being gay might have something to do with it I guess). Let me tell you one thing, it is not a choice to be gay, the only choice is to live as a gay. There has been enough scientific research on this topic from which can be concluded that someone is born gay or not and even that inheritence plays a role.

In another post someone said that he has never seen any gay animals. There are, from rats to dogs and yes, even elliphants. All captured on video. No doubt that youtube has some footage.

And for those who believe in an omnipotent god who never fails: He 🤬-up big time, time and again by making non-perfect creatures (remember Adam and Eve who had to leave Paradise because of some stupid apple?). He made me the way I am and I have to live with it, not Him.

Edit> I just noticed that the first post is from years back. I haven't read all posts yet, but do hope that people have gotten to their senses over the years.

 

[Touring Mars]

Let me tell you one thing, it is not a choice to be gay, the only choice is to live as a gay.

That's an interesting point - and perhaps that's a problem to some people in itself... A very common thing you find is that people might not be against homosexuality in principle but have a (major) problem with dealing with it when confronted by it in practice... the whole "so long as they keep it to themselves" idea, as if sexual orientation is communicable!

I seriously doubt that sexual orientation has anything to do with choice - not as I would normally define choice anyway. I can say with 100% certainty, for example, that I did not choose to be heterosexual, and I am unlikely to ever be able to 'choose' to become genuinely homosexual either.

edit: By the way, nice post number

 

[Denur]

A very common thing you find is that people might not be against homosexuality in principle but have a (major) problem with dealing with it when confronted by it in practice.

I think it is a matter of being afraid of the unknown. I can imagine that for a non-gay it is almost impossible to comprehend how a man can love/be attacted to another man (or woman to a woman). The other way round it is the same issue for gays, for them (for me to a certain extend, because I'm not 100% gay) it is hard to imagine how a man can be attracted to a woman (or woman to a man).

Post number 668, that feels bit safer now.

 

[Touring Mars]

for a non-gay it is almost impossible to comprehend how a woman can love/be attacted to another woman

Most fully heterosexual men may find that difficult to comprehend, but they certainly give it enough consideration!

 

[Famine]

Most fully heterosexual men may find that difficult to comprehend, but they certainly give it enough consideration!

I don't find it difficult to comprehend at all. From what I've seen, women of that mindset are really quite attractive indeed. And tend to live together. In fives.

 

[TheCracker]

I don't find it difficult to comprehend at all. From what I've seen, women of that mindset are really quite attractive indeed. And tend to live together. In fives.

And seem to spend a large proportion of their time rubbing oils and creams into each others skin whilst listening to slow saxaphone music.

 

[Mark T]

I don't find it difficult to comprehend at all. From what I've seen, women of that mindset are really quite attractive indeed. And tend to live together. In fives.

And seem to spend a large proportion of their time rubbing oils and creams into each others skin whilst listening to slow saxaphone music.

This thread has now become epic. More please.

 

[Famine]

Odd... I've never heard any kind of sound of any variety from them.

Must be my PC setup. Or the bit where I live with someone.

 

[TheCracker]

You don't need the volume up to know that it'll be accompanied by slow saxaphone music.

 

[Loon]

I can imagine that for a non-gay it is almost impossible to comprehend how a man can love/be attacted to another man (or woman to a woman).

I think its easy for a straight guy to comprehend why a woman would be attracted to another woman. They're probably attracted to each other for the same reason I'm attracted to women myself.

 

[Denur]

I think its easy for a straight guy to comprehend why a woman would be attracted to another woman. They're probably attracted to each other for the same reason I'm attracted to women myself.

Right! And for the same reason hetero women might be able to imagine why a man might be attracted to another man.

It is always fun to "check-out-the-guys" with women. We always tend to look at the same things (butts, amount of frontal filling, etc.)

 

[Denur]

I wonder, are there any women here who can confirm what I stated above?

 

[Leonidae]

the females are somewhat rare species here.

 

[Denur]

the females are somewhat rare species here.

Sad to hear this.

edit> I'm a long-time member of a F1 forum here in Holland and we've got plenty of women around who are into racing and cars in general. So what keeps them away here? Is it the gaming thing? Or because of the immaturity of some members here? Who can enlighten me (maybe show me a topic where that rare female here explained why she was not happy to be here).

 

[Leonidae]

I guess that girls don't find gaming forums as fascinating as young/older men do. Somewhere in the GT4 forums is a thread about "what does your girlfriend thing about GT" or something along those lines.

 

[Denur]

Any americans here who have heard of this group: http://www.godhatesfags.com/ These are the same people who have picket lines at funerals for soldiers who died in e.g. Irak. A noticed in this topic that some people posted from a religious point of view. I would like to here what they think of this little community that can say anything it likes because of the american interpretation of freedom of religion/speech.

 

[Denur]

This thread has now become epic. More please.

What about some input from yourself Mark, to keep this 'epic' topic going. I'm sure you have something very interesting to say, if this topic entices you so much. Do you need a hanky or a key to the closet, or maybe even both?

 

[Sureboss]

Mind for flying pucks.

 

[Wenders]

Right! And for the same reason hetero women might be able to imagine why a man might be attracted to another man.

It is always fun to "check-out-the-guys" with women. We always tend to look at the same things (butts, amount of frontal filling, etc.)

I wonder, are there any women here who can confirm what I stated above?

which part do you want confirmed? That its fun to check out guys, or that we look at the same thing?

 

[Joey D]

Any americans here who have heard of this group: http://www.godhatesfags.com/ These are the same people who have picket lines at funerals for soldiers who died in e.g. Irak. A noticed in this topic that some people posted from a religious point of view. I would like to here what they think of this little community that can say anything it likes because of the american interpretation of freedom of religion/speech.

I'm not religious so I can't comment on that part.

But these people irritate me, and I think the worse thing is this is how the rest of the world tends to view us. We are either gun toting wackos, bible thumping religious fundies, or war mongers. Even though I live here I'm beginning to wonder if this is all there is to America because every morning when I read the news there seems to be a common theme with this.

 

[TwinTurbos94]

^ true....



I hate that church, seriously these are the only people I hate. These people use the bible as a vehicle to (try to) spread hate. IMO (once again very bible ignorant),they go against the basic principles of what a christian should be.

 

[Year.Zero]

What about some input from yourself Mark, to keep this 'epic' topic going. I'm sure you have something very interesting to say, if this topic entices you so much. Do you need a hanky or a key to the closet, or maybe even both?

He meant epic in a joking sense that it's become amazing, due to the fact that Famine and another member were alluding to the type (and amount) porn they watch.

(Hope that clears up the confusion; for more, see epic lulz)

 

[Denur]

which part do you want confirmed? That its fun to check out guys, or that we look at the same thing?

That women also like to look at men's butts and how well their pants are filled up.

He meant epic in a joking sense that it's become amazing, due to the fact that Famine and another member were alluding to the type (and amount) porn they watch.

(Hope that clears up the confusion; for more, see epic lulz)

I could already taste the joke in it, so I was challanging him a bit (still want his input anyway), but thanks for the clarification, too bad I wasn't there yet...

We are either gun toting wackos, bible thumping religious fundies, or war mongers.

Actually the common foreign view includes all of those. And you forgot loudmouthed. Having lived in the USA for some time, I can safely say that a majority of the americans do not fit that view (George W. Bush and his clan do though).

Even though I live here I'm beginning to wonder if this is all there is to America because every morning when I read the news there seems to be a common theme with this.

There has been research on this here in Holland, and the conclusion is that news agencies love to bring bad news. On average (it differs somewhat between news agencies, news papers and TV/radio news) 90% is bad news and 10% is happy news. That happy news is usually quite trivial, like "single mom with 12 kids and on wellfare wins jackpot" and cannot compete with the impact the bad news has. Also, the USA is very big, with hundreds of millions of inhabitants, so it is no wonder that at least one thing of the themes you described happens daily. So cheer up, things are not so bad.

 

[Leonidae]

That "church" cheered to the teenager who took an example from the US school shootings and pulled off the same trick in Finland.. well, as soon as I move to US, those people better keep eye on their sixes.. I'll be there someday.. with an axe.

 

[Denur]

That "church" cheered to the teenager who took an example from the US school shootings and pulled off the same trick in Finland.. well, as soon as I move to US, those people better keep eye on their sixes.. I'll be there someday.. with an axe.

I was wondering about that: How do they seem to get away with all their insults, open anti-semitism and homofobic behaviour?