The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[Maccer_42]

I have to echo this. Honestly, still not a fan of gay marriage. But I have zero right to tell two consenting adults how to live. That being said, I think the feds need to stop discriminating against non-married couples. But that's a different thread.

Incest needs to be illegal for simple genetic reasons. But the other combos, meh, whatever. Have fun trying to keep 5 women happy. It's more than enough of a challenge with one!

This is slightly heading off topic, but on the other hand it isn't as this thread is slowly becoming about equal marriage rights in general, but your opinion on incest, it's a fair enough opinion, but what if they chose not procreate and have a baby? Should it still be illegal then? Incest is "weird" but also there is nothing "wrong" with it either, in the same way how some people feel gay marriage is "wrong".

I know I'm putting words in your mouth here, but by your same logic do you feel it should be illegal for two disabled people to get married? There is a high chance if they have a child it will also carry a disability or some kind of birth defect.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I have to echo this. Honestly, still not a fan of gay marriage. But I have zero right to tell two consenting adults how to live. That being said, I think the feds need to stop discriminating against non-married couples. But that's a different thread.

Incest needs to be illegal for simple genetic reasons. But the other combos, meh, whatever. Have fun trying to keep 5 women happy. It's more than enough of a challenge with one!

This is slightly heading off topic, but on the other hand it isn't as this thread is slowly becoming about equal marriage rights in general, but your opinion on incest, it's a fair enough opinion, but what if they chose not procreate and have a baby? Should it still be illegal then? Incest is "weird" but also there is nothing "wrong" with it either, in the same way how some people feel gay marriage is "wrong".

I know I'm putting words in your mouth here, but by your same logic do you feel it should be illegal for two disabled people to get married? There is a high chance if they have a child it will also carry a disability or some kind of birth defect.

Agreed. And I'd also add to that, that genetic testing could reveal if the resulting baby is "defective" in any way, and since abortion is legal on demand by law, it could be an option for the incestual parents to simply abort an unwanted child for any reason. Or have the child if they wish. I don't see any reason to stop that either.

 

[Swift]

Agreed. And I'd also add to that, that genetic testing could reveal if the resulting baby is "defective" in any way, and since abortion is legal on demand by law, it could be an option for the incestual parents to simply abort an unwanted child for any reason. Or have the child if they wish. I don't see any reason to stop that either.

Abortion shouldn't be an escape valve. I think it should only be used in keeping the health of the mother or possibly in cases of extreme sickness of the child.

So, back on topic...be gay. That's your right as a person and as an American. Just don't put your homosexuality in my face and I won't pit my heterosexuality in yours.

 

[Swift]

This is slightly heading off topic, but on the other hand it isn't as this thread is slowly becoming about equal marriage rights in general, but your opinion on incest, it's a fair enough opinion, but what if they chose not procreate and have a baby? Should it still be illegal then? Incest is "weird" but also there is nothing "wrong" with it either, in the same way how some people feel gay marriage is "wrong".

I know I'm putting words in your mouth here, but by your same logic do you feel it should be illegal for two disabled people to get married? There is a high chance if they have a child it will also carry a disability or some kind of birth defect.

Again, abortion should be a last resort. Not a quick fix.

 

[TheCracker]

So, back on topic...be gay. That's your right as a person and as an American. Just don't put your homosexuality in my face and I won't put my heterosexuality in yours.

How does that work?

 

[huskeR32]

Just don't put your homosexuality in my face and I won't pit my heterosexuality in yours.

What constitutes putting homosexuality "in your face?"

 

[Johnnypenso]

What constitutes putting homosexuality "in your face?"

I think it's when you have a medical issue, you're lying on the ground, and instead of mouth-to-mouth, a gay person sits on your face. Just a guess though.

 

[Swift]

Honestly, I think the rainbow flag is pushing it in my face. I think pushing religious institutions to perform same sex marriage is putting it in my face.

How does that work?

What constitutes putting homosexuality "in your face?"

 

[huskeR32]

Honestly, I think the rainbow flag is pushing it in my face.

A symbol = "pushing it in [your] face?" Wow, okay. So you'd agree, then, that all churches should remove crosses from the exterior of their buildings? So as not to push their religion in the face of those who don't share their beliefs?

I think pushing religious institutions to perform same sex marriage is putting it in my face.

I'm with you on this. Churches should not be forced to preform ceremonies they don't agree with.

I'm going to go on a slight tangent with this though. I say that the moment a church refuses to preform a wedding ceremony, they should lose their tax-exempt status. If their services are not equally available to everyone, then it's not right to use everyone's money to subsidize their existence. Do you agree?

EDIT: Are there any documented cases of this happening? I've yet to hear of a church being forced to preform a same-sex marriage.

 

[Dan]

Honestly, I think the rainbow flag is pushing it in my face. I think pushing religious institutions to perform same sex marriage is putting it in my face.

People with the Jesus fish bumper sticker and bible passages tattooed on their body is pushing it in my face.

 

[Danoff]

I think pushing religious institutions to perform same sex marriage is putting it in my face.

That would be pushing it in someone's face for sure. But private religious institutions are protected from having to perform same sex marriage by the same document that protects gay marriage. Over seas some religious institutions have been pressured to perform same sex marriage, but in all cases that I know of that religious institution was accepting tax dollars. Religious institutions here in the US need to stop accepting tax subsidies to make sure that they don't end up with strings attached.

 

[Johnnypenso]

A bit of awful news:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/30/middleeast/jerusalem-gay-pride-parade-stabbings/index.html

An Orthodox Jew who stabbed marchers at a Jerusalem gay pride parade 10 years ago launched another knife attack at the same type of parade in the same city Thursday, stabbing and wounding six people who were on the streets for the event, police said.

Of the six people stabbed Thursday, two were injured seriously, Israeli police spokeswoman Luba Samri said.

 

[Mike458]

A bit of awful news:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/30/middleeast/jerusalem-gay-pride-parade-stabbings/index.html

Any remaining faith I have in humanity has been completely wiped out. Why can't people accept something that doesn't affect them? It's a genuine question that nobody seems to have an answer to...

 

[Parker]

So Judaism is against homosexuality but it is completely okay with stabbing and potentially killing people? Makes sense. Provided that this attack was motivated by religion, of course.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Any remaining faith I have in humanity has been completely wiped out. Why can't people accept something that doesn't affect them? It's a genuine question that nobody seems to have an answer to...

It's just one guy, not all of humanity. Keep the faith.

So Judaism is against homosexuality but it is completely okay with stabbing and potentially killing people? Makes sense. Provided that this attack was motivated by religion, of course.

Don't recall reading that in the article, must have missed it.

 

[TenEightyOne]

So Judaism is against homosexuality but it is completely okay with stabbing and potentially killing people? Makes sense. Provided that this attack was motivated by religion, of course.

I didn't get that from the story, all I read was that a guy stabbed somebody and went to prison. Then he came out of prison and stabbed somebody else. Homophobia is the least of his problems, I'd say

 

[Daniel]

Just don't put your homosexuality in my face and I won't pit my heterosexuality in yours.

How does that work?

Orally.

 

[LeMansAid]

This is slightly heading off topic, but on the other hand it isn't as this thread is slowly becoming about equal marriage rights in general, but your opinion on incest, it's a fair enough opinion, but what if they chose not procreate and have a baby? Should it still be illegal then? Incest is "weird" but also there is nothing "wrong" with it either, in the same way how some people feel gay marriage is "wrong".

I know I'm putting words in your mouth here, but by your same logic do you feel it should be illegal for two disabled people to get married? There is a high chance if they have a child it will also carry a disability or some kind of birth defect.

Again, abortion should be a last resort. Not a quick fix.

Scanning, scanning, scanning..... but can't find a mention of abortion in Maccer's post. I believe that the point is that marriage does not equal conception, and further, that we already have people marrying that would present maybe even greater risks than would be found with "kin folk".

Honestly, I think the rainbow flag is pushing it in my face.

I'm assuming that you mean the use of the rainbow flag, and not that the rainbow flag came to life and is doing "things" to you.

Twits find all sorts of ways of being twits, including, but not limited to, using a rainbow flag like a twit. I think that once people genuinely have no qualms with homosexuality, they don't even notice rainbow flags in general, but may still notice twits of all kinds.

Maybe you're simply not as accepting as you think you are.

 

[Touring Mars]

The irony is that there would almost certainly be no such thing as 'gay pride', pride marches, rainbow flags and other such public displays of 'putting homosexuality in your face' (orally or otherwise) if homosexuality and LBGT people had not been so mercilessly and pointlessly demonized in the first place... so for people who still cannot accept the fact that some people experience sexual attraction differently to themselves, it's definitely a case of the cocks coming home to roost. A bit of historical perspective is essential when considering the treatment of minorities and/or groups who have suffered persecution in the past.

 

[Joel]

it's definitely a case of the cocks coming home to roost.

But what kind of roost are we talking about here?

 

[dylansan]

The irony is that there would almost certainly be no such thing as 'gay pride', pride marches, rainbow flags and other such public displays of 'putting homosexuality in your face' (orally or otherwise) if homosexuality and LBGT people had not been so mercilessly and pointlessly demonized in the first place... so for people who still cannot accept the fact that some people experience sexual attraction differently to themselves, it's definitely a case of the cocks coming home to roost. A bit of historical perspective is essential when considering the treatment of minorities and/or groups who have suffered persecution in the past.

Remember in the 50s and 60s when black people were always shoving their blackness in everyone's faces? Glad that's over with.*

(*Sarcasm, for the depressing chance that it's necessary to point out)

 

[FoolKiller]

If we are going to attack people for putting their stuff in my face, I am going after the vegetarians and vegans. No gay guy sees me being straight and starts telling me how awesome being gay is, how evil being straight is, and how I have a moral or health related responsibility to become gay.

After that I will go after the Diet X cures chronic disease and stops aging folks.

By the measure of in my faceness, homosexuals are pretty far down my list of problems.

But if your parade closes the street I am trying to drive down, then I will think that whatever it is you are celebrating is stupid and annoying.

 

[novcze]

nah, gays are racist now, at least in Sweden

 

[TenEightyOne]

nah, gays are racist now, at least in Sweden

You didn't understand the article, I think. What makes you think that gay people can't be racist? If some gay people are racist does that mean all gay people are racist?

 

[Encyclopedia]

nah, gays are racist now, at least in Sweden

The whole point of this stunt is to create more tension between the muslim population of sweden and the rest. This is not done for the furtherment of gay rights.

It's a thinly veiled racist act. That's the reason for the reaction towards it. It has nothing to do with accepting homophobia from certain groups.

 

[Carbonox]

What bothers me is that the guy doesn't appear to be a real gay rights supporter at all.

A genuine LBGT activist should definitely organize a parade through a conservative Muslim area though. As it stands, they're still heavily lagging behind in tolerance.

 

[Encyclopedia]

What bothers me is that the guy doesn't appear to be a real gay rights supporter at all.

A genuine LBGT activist should definitely organize a parade through a conservative Muslim area though. As it stands, they're still heavily lagging behind in tolerance.

Wouldn't be the smartest way to do it. But it would be hard for me not to support it if it was done for the proper reasons.

 

[Johnnypenso]

The whole point of this stunt is to create more tension between the muslim population of sweden and the rest. This is not done for the furtherment of gay rights.

It's a thinly veiled racist act. That's the reason for the reaction towards it. It has nothing to do with accepting homophobia from certain groups.

It's a racist act to hold a legal parade on city streets, presumably with a permit, and do legal things while in the parade...in a democratic country? If you tried to organize a pride parade through a city or neighbourhood known for having a large number of devout Christians would it still be racist? Which race is affected by this racism? Should we poll all the inhabitants of a given parade route to determine if they are for or against the parade?

 

[TenEightyOne]

It's a racist act to hold a legal parade on city streets, presumably with a permit, and do legal things while in the parade...in a democratic country? If you tried to organize a pride parade through a city or neighbourhood known for having a large number of devout Christians would it still be racist? Which race is affected by this racism? Should we poll all the inhabitants of a given parade route to determine if they are for or against the parade?

Perhaps marching's a more Euro thing, but it's a way of causing friction as much as celebrating a cause.

A gay pride march might well be expected to be happy and benign but, upon looking at the facts of this proposed march, it seems to be targetted in areas that would specifically dislike it. That's a definite agenda, in my opinion.

 

[FoolKiller]

It's a racist act to hold a legal parade on city streets, presumably with a permit, and do legal things while in the parade...in a democratic country?

I can do all kinds of racist things legally in my country. Heck, the KKK even has legal parades on city streets, with a permit, doing completely legal things while in the parade. Legal vs. bad taste, hateful, ignorant, inflammatory, racist, and down right despicable are not necessarily on opposite sides of a line.