The Homosexuality Discussion Thread
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Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!!
It is the nature of forums in general to swap ideas and debate opinions though. Don't see it as a personal attack on yourself, it's just how this part of the forum operates.
It is the nature of forums in general to swap ideas and debate opinions though. Don't see it as a personal attack on yourself, it's just how this part of the forum operates.
Okay then, my reasons are that I think that it is wrong for Gay people to adopt children because I think that it is unfair on the child, and I think that their should be a stronger emphasis on the family in society today. By that I mean Man, Woman, Children, they should then be taught how to be nice people and how to act. And to a certain extent I think that where I live in England liberalism has gone slightly to far and that is why we are having so much trouble over here. It is not just because they are Gay that I don't want them to adopt children but I think that we need to try and reserve some of our values whilst we still have them.
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We saw that already - please answer the resulting questions:,
As for your second point:
What about when those values are discriminatory and immoral?
It used to be a value that black people could be kept as slaves. It used to be a value that women could not receive a university education or vote...
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Well straight people will not allowed to adopt if they are unfit, as the social services will refuse it.
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Fit gay parents are fairer on the child hypothetically, but unfit straight parents would not be allowed to adopt because of my first answer. But I would still rather see fit straight parents adopt.
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Some people may see some aspects of our old values and laws discriminatory but if you came to England today, especially in the urban areas you would be in for a shock.
*This question appears to me more a moral one overall, our moral opinions will differ and some things that you find moral I may fine immoral and vice versa*
But that is my 2 cents as you Americans would say.
Well straight people will not allowed to adopt if they are unfit, as the social services will refuse it.
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Fit gay parents are fairer on the child hypothetically, but unfit straight parents would not be allowed to adopt because of my first answer. But I would still rather see fit straight parents adopt.
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Some people may see some aspects of our old values and laws discriminatory but if you came to England today, especially in the urban areas you would be in for a shock.
*This question appears to me more a moral one overall, our moral opinions will differ and some things that you find moral I may fine immoral and vice versa*
But that is my 2 cents as you Americans would say.
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Note that I didn't actually mention adoption.
So, you're willing to concede that suitable gay parents are fairer on a child than unsuitable straight parents. Why the bias against gay parents then?
Would you say that a child born to an unfit couple would be better served by being adopted by a suitable gay couple?
I doubt that very seriously...
Any discriminatory law is unjust. Any unjust law is immoral. Both are worse for society than a gay couple adopting a child.
Values/laws should not be kept or implemented "because". They should stand up to logical and moral scrutiny.
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and the morals of a place depend entirly on the current majority. Racer21's opinion reflects a very american attitude. a "not Natural" argument will just tick some people off, so don't go there.
if me and my better half make the choce, I got plenty of relatives to give advice. most of them female.
if me and my better half make the choce, I got plenty of relatives to give advice. most of them female.
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Lmfao, I sprayed out the water I was drinking.
And, yes, Racer, that's how things work here. Don't keep coming back to the thread if you just expect to drop off your opinion and have it not attract flies.
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A) I don't buy it as homosexuality is seen in nature and Touring Mars even posted an article showing that there are clearly signs of homosexuality in humans being natural. Plus, the child is already born and has been abandoned (sometimes for the better, so don't take that as negative) or taken from bad parents. In the natural case of a species it should be dead, but no we have disrupted the natural order of a species by developing adoption. However, we are prolonging the life of a species as a whole by keeping it alive.
B) I don't get this at all. First of all, to support society many natural species issues get dropped, like killing babies when they cannot be cared for (I'll leave the abortion argument for another thread). And I believe that having a child adopted at all, no matter the parents sexual orientation and genders, would be better for the child and society than letting them grow up without ever having any form of stable family.
And the whole natural argument is used by some against adoption in general. My wife and I contemplated the idea at one point and we heard more than a few comments about how it just isn't right because it isn't our natural child. Apparently these people did not know, or forgot, that my wife was adopted.
And that brings up an unfair to the child thing. No family or gay parents? Which is more fair to the child. I can tell you right now that a child that is knowingly adopted already faces ridicule. Kids tell them that those aren't their real parents. The truth is that who your parents are often has very little to do with who conceived you. My wife is often asked if she knows her her real parents are, and she says, "Yes, the people that chose to raise me." I have a feeling that if she were raised by a lesbian couple her answer would be the exact same.
I just don't get your moral argument I guess, and it has very little to do with being American. You tried the reproduce argument, but the best way to quickly reproduce is non-monogamous relations.
Then you tried the unfair to the child thing, but the child is already being adopted so life is already unfair. And I think it is more fair to have a family than not.
And I definitely don't get the moral family is mother, father, child thing. Says who? By that rationale we need to adopt Old Testament laws and outlaw divorce, and when a parent does the closest, single next of kin has to marry the widow/widower.
The main problem is that you said it shouldn't be allowed. That means you want your moral point of view backed by law. It is one thing to say your personal view is that you disagree, it is another thing to want your point of view to limit others' rights by law. To some of us, that is the biggest immoral thing one can do. It ranks right up there with saying that practicing a certain religion should be illegal because you see it as being immoral.
And that is a bigger picture than homosexuality. The most moral thing is to allow people to live their lives as they see fit, so long as their actions do not prevent others from doing living as they see fit.
You may want to check with Famine about his native country, and I assume still his country of current residence.
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I think the whole idea behind a kid being raised by gay parents is that either they will somehow grow up being gay because of it (like the parents will spread their homosexuality or something) or they will be ridiculed as Racer21 said. Both of these are pretty proposterous. Being ridiculed? I'm sure their parents already told them why there are two mommies/daddies rather than one of each. And as mentioned before, kids are made fun of about numerous things. As far as "raising their kids to be gay" (as heard on a radio commercial for some stupid new TV show), how would that work exactly? "Okay hunny, now when you get older date someone that is the same gender as you, the opposite gender is icky." 
I guess to some, being raised by gay parents is worse than being raised by abusive straight parents or by a single parent, or even a single parent with numerous spouses, which the only reasoning for it is at least they have one of each sex!
I guess to some, being raised by gay parents is worse than being raised by abusive straight parents or by a single parent, or even a single parent with numerous spouses, which the only reasoning for it is at least they have one of each sex!
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Wow some strong opinions towards people who are homosexual. Why should it bother other people? I'm of the opinion "each to their own" I have lots of friends who are gay, and it really doesn't bother me one bit, I even go to the gay clubs in the area where I live, because its a better night out, me and my partner go out with friends to these bars because their is less trouble, now i know this will probably be seen as a stereotype but its true.
Now you guys may or may not know, I'm not religious so I cant comment on the standpoint from there "Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" soapbox. But it is quite offensive, just like the bigots who are racist.
I just cant get over the views of people in this day and age, we are all human beings why cant people just get along, yes were are going to have differences over what we think is right, but Race, Religion and Sexuality should not be used as and excuse to attack a person or persons, that kind of behavior surly is unhealthy and wrong and needs to be stamped out.
Now you guys may or may not know, I'm not religious so I cant comment on the standpoint from there "Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" soapbox. But it is quite offensive, just like the bigots who are racist.
I just cant get over the views of people in this day and age, we are all human beings why cant people just get along, yes were are going to have differences over what we think is right, but Race, Religion and Sexuality should not be used as and excuse to attack a person or persons, that kind of behavior surly is unhealthy and wrong and needs to be stamped out.
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your quite right, and that is why even though we think we are the cleverest species on the planet we clearly aren't.
I know we will never have a perfect world where everyone gets along but isn't worth trying? Homosexual people are still human beings yet we still treat them as tho they are another species and I'm not just talking about the general public, I'm talking government legislation's stopping gay people from having the same legal rights in marriage as heterosexual people (in the UK anyway, I have no idea what the political situation is in American and the rest of the world) I mean if they get such a cut and dry situation as same sex marriages wrong what else are the stuffing up for us?
why should people feel the need to hide their personality and there self being away from everyone just because we as a species deem it wrong to find someone of the same sex attractive?
We really live in a messed up world where people are still starving in poor nations, where persecution for race and religion are still common place in society at all levels. Human beings really need to take a long look at themselves and re-think the way everything has gone, and allot of it is down to not understanding and the not wanting to understand and accept.
I must admit the shock of people on GTP having such views is really disheartening and I'm pretty sure there are gay people on this forum who feel its wrong to speak up and tell us they are gay for fear of loosing such great friends and people who frequent this board, and I have to admit too that if I was gay person (which I have been accused of in the pics of yourself thread) I wouldn't feel safe doing so here because of the minority of bigots who then have direct access to attack and humiliate.
Again I think that these boards have a good reputation for free speech and as I can see from the poll most people feel the same way I do, the people who fell differently tho need to wake up and smell the coffee as it only makes you fell bad inside when you realize that you are hurting other human beings and possibly hurting other people indirectly.
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There are too many cultural and religious differences for everyone to get along. People always have different views, it's hard enough to change one persons views, let alone conforming everyone to the same views. Then again, if we all thought the same, would we be humans or robots?
All the time governments have religious inputs (which most, if not all, have), you will never have equal legislation for homosexuals. Of course it's not just religion, atheists and agnostics oppose to homosexuals as well.
We all think we know what's right, but we'll never make the whole world conform to the same ideals.
All the time governments have religious inputs (which most, if not all, have), you will never have equal legislation for homosexuals. Of course it's not just religion, atheists and agnostics oppose to homosexuals as well.
We all think we know what's right, but we'll never make the whole world conform to the same ideals.
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Wow. I can't believe that in this day and age people still believe it's wrong for same sex couples to go about their business as a mixed sex couple would. And that indeed, it's much better for a child's welfare to be kept with their abusive/neglective parents than to be adopted by loving parents who happen to be the same sex. *leaves thread*
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You say that like it's a bad thing. You live in a free country. That means coping with the fact that some people will use that freedom to do and think things that you don't agree with.
But I don't know that "extraordinarily" is the right term. It exists, but not nearly to the extent that you pretend.
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hello...we still get the bleedin Klan up here!
when everybody, including the old fasioned bigots by race, creed, religon, or prefrence FINALLY start ignoring each other, then mabey we'll have some peace.
personally, I'l like to sic the bigots on each other, and be rid of the lot
when everybody, including the old fasioned bigots by race, creed, religon, or prefrence FINALLY start ignoring each other, then mabey we'll have some peace.
personally, I'l like to sic the bigots on each other, and be rid of the lot
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