The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[Lucas]

Homosexuality is okay, for everyone. They have the right to do whatever they like with their lives. Who can tell them what is right and what is wrong? Religion?

 

[homeforsummer]

Who can tell them what is right and what is wrong? Religion?

Yes, actually. But religion, by it's very nature, is old and outdated in modern society, which is why religious views on homosexuality are so myopic.

 

[Lucas]

Yes, I agree. There should be a new religion, that adapts to the current society. That should do Ok.

 

[homeforsummer]

There is, it's called Consumerism. People believe in Money, and constantly strive to one day embrace lots of it into their lives. Though at the moment, many are losing their faith in Money and the popularity of Consumerism is waning

 

[Bram Turismo]

Yes, I agree. There should be a new religion, that adapts to the current society. That should do Ok.

I don't know why, but after reading your post, the word "gay-ism" popped into my head

 

[Lucas]

Mine, too! Maybe that is because I was originally going to write: "Yes, I agree. There should be a new religion, that adapts to the current society, and accepts homosexuality."

After all, current society = gay-ism, among other things too.

 

[Sureboss]

They have the right to do whatever they like with their lives.

Whether you intended to or not, that line still seems to suggest that there is some choice in the matter. Not meant to be confrontational btw 👍

 

[Lucas]

I'm sorry, but I didn't understand what you meant to tell me.

 

[Jondot]

I'm sorry, but I didn't understand what you meant to tell me.

He's pointing out that the phrase "Do whatever they like" suggests that homosexuality is a matter of choice on behalf of the person, i.e. they 'decide' to be gay.

 

[Sage]

And as I’ve pointed out numerous times, whether or not it’s a choice is a completely moot point – it’s interesting for psychological/neurological study, but has nothing to do with legislation.

If you have something that’s dangerous to society, such as murdering, it doesn’t matter whether the person who does it is intrinsically compelled to do it or makes an actual choice – you still outlaw it.
If you have something that’s not dangerous to society, such as homosexuality, it doesn’t matter whether the person who does it is intrinsically compelled to do it or makes an actual choice – you still don’t outlaw it.

 

[Sureboss]

He's pointing out that the phrase "Do whatever they like" suggests that homosexuality is a matter of choice on behalf of the person, i.e. they 'decide' to be gay.

Maybe a diagram might be useful?

 

[mindwise]

And as I’ve pointed out numerous times, whether or not it’s a choice is a completely moot point – it’s interesting for psychological/neurological study, but has nothing to do with legislation.

If you have something that’s dangerous to society, such as murdering, it doesn’t matter whether the person who does it is intrinsically compelled to do it or makes an actual choice – you still outlaw it.
If you have something that’s not dangerous to society, such as homosexuality, it doesn’t matter whether the person who does it is intrinsically compelled to do it or makes an actual choice – you still don’t outlaw it.

👍👍

Back on topic (perhaps already covered, i hope not )

Wrt the choices, what is the difference between 'ok for anybody' and 'nobody's business but the people involved'. (i was choosing between these two)

And could someone that voted "a problem that needs to be cured." please expand on that?
Please forgive this ignorant atheist, i have some understanding for "a sin against God" (not the ridiculous nature part) since if you believe the bible/qu'ran to be true, then that choice follows somewhat logically), i don't agree obviously...but i do understand the reasoning.

But 'it's a problem that needs to be cured'?, what the hell is 'the problem', enlighten me ....

 

[Sage]

Wrt the choices, what is the difference between 'ok for anybody' and 'nobody's business but the people involved'. (i was choosing between these two)

TBH, I’ve always wondered that myself – the latter seems a bit more antagonistic than the former (like the people who say “I’m okay with gays but I don’t want to see them kissing in public areas!”).

 

[mindwise]

TBH, I’ve always wondered that myself – the latter seems a bit more antagonistic than the former (like the people who say “I’m okay with gays but I don’t want to see them kissing in public areas!”).

Lol, yeah i was thinking the same thing, but then i thought that they could choose the "OK as long as they don't talk about it" option. Which is not exactly the same, but i thought covered about the same load

 

[Sniffs]

mindwise: there are plenty of people out there that interpret the Bible, Talmud or the Koran literally. they WOULD stone someone to death if they thought they could get away with it
those who go with "a problem that need to be cured" precieve homosexuality as either a social skill deficit (IE "raised wrong"), or as a mental defect. it's treated as a disease, effectivly, by some people.

most of the problems are with Point of View of the Observer.

sage: "nobody's business" means they'd rather not be disgusted by active shows of sexuality like two guys or two women kissing in public, etc. that it should be kept as private as regular sex

 

[Jondot]

Maybe a diagram might be useful?

, if the situation calls for it then sure.

TBH, I’ve always wondered that myself – the latter seems a bit more antagonistic than the former (like the people who say “I’m okay with gays but I don’t want to see them kissing in public areas!”).

That's what I thought. It's the suggestion of "Sure, just don't talk to me about it". Then again in this situation you can also interpret it as "Who am I to judge? Doesn't bother me".


On an unrelated note, I too would quite like to know the reasoning behind those 12 votes for treating it like the plague.

 

[homeforsummer]

"Who am I to judge? Doesn't bother me".

That's more the thinking I was going for with that vote 👍

 

[Slicks]

Despite voting "nobody's business" whenever I did (presumably soon after the thread was created), I find my viewpoint as being more in the "OK for anybody" column.

It should be a personal decision of who you associate and have relationships with - Everyone [should] have the same rights.

I think this covers everything from PDAs to marriage. Perhaps others are more easily offended than I am, but it's just another couple to me.
No harm, no foul.

 

[Sureboss]

Again, "a personal decision"? There's no decision. Your sexual preferences are pre-determined, no decision to who you think is attractive or isn't.

Re: Poll - I haven't voted in the poll, maybe if there was an option for "complete non-issue" or "no different from heterosexual relationships" then maybe. But then again, yo already know my view so the poll is defunct.

 

[Sniffs]

if it's proved scientifically to be biological, some idiot bigot doctor will come out with a anti queer pill (i have the right to use that word, just like African Americans have the right to use the N word )! personally, I think it might be Nature's or God's way of saying "whoa, there, when i said 'Be Fruitfull, and multiply', i didn't think you'd go THIS far"

 

[Sureboss]

There's a link to a study in this thread a few pages back and the study identifies a similarity in brain sizes (one side bigger than the other) between homosexual males and heterosexual females and visa versa. Also mentioned about the cerebrum iirc. Read from that what you will, but it points to genetic mutation, doesn't it?

 

[Jondot]

Read from that what you will, but it points to genetic mutation, doesn't it?

Oh thanks

 

[Joey D]

So if homosexuality is a genetic mutation then what will it do to the X-men ?

 

[Famine]

Imagine the superpower of that mutant... And his X-Men name at that...

Homo? With the power to throw colour-matched scatter cushions?

 

[mindwise]

if it's proved scientifically to be biological, some idiot bigot doctor will come out with a anti queer pill (i have the right to use that word, just like African Americans have the right to use the N word )!

I cannot resist asking, what word is that ?

 

[homeforsummer]

Homo? With the power to throw colour-matched scatter cushions?

You're damn lucky I'd already swallowed my tea before I read that!

 

[Duke]

Whether you intended to or not, that line still seems to suggest that there is some choice in the matter. Not meant to be confrontational btw 👍

Why is it relevant if there is choice in the matter or not?

 

[Duke]

So if homosexuality is a genetic mutation then what will it do to the X-men ?

Well, you know, Ian McKellan is gay - and Magneto can throw a hell of a lot more than cushions around...

 

[Famine]

He's not well-dressed enough to be a gay superhero. Black with his skin? Shoot me now!

 

[Sage]

Perhaps others are more easily offended than I am, but it's just another couple to me.

I’ll go a step further and say that I don’t care if it’s even a couple. If three or more people want to get hitched, that’s great – the world needs more love. Penn & Teller did an episode of BS on marriage, and I remember this group of four who lived in the same house – two straight couples who were perfectly fine with being affectionate and having sex with the other’s spouse. No big deal! Just people who love one another and aren’t boxed in by this paradigm that has only developed in very modern times (historically, humans have been more polyamorous than monogamous).