The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[Sniffs]

I mis-flag people all the time… one of my best friends whom I’ve known since elementary school came out during junior year of high school, and it took me a few months to realize he wasn’t joking. Then there are a couple people I know who I would’ve bet my life’s savings that they were doughnut punchers, and in fact they aren’t.

dude, watch it with the cracks. "doughnut punchers" will be misinterpreted.
*rolls eyes* you think we don't have millitants?

 

[Duke]

dude, watch it with the cracks. "doughnut punchers" will be misinterpreted.
*rolls eyes* you think we don't have millitants?

While your point is well taken, Sage is quite possibly the least homophobic person I know that isn't actually gay.

 

[Sage]

As some-comedian-whose-name-I-can’t-recall-at-the-moment once said, “I joke with my friends, not with my enemies.”

 

[Sureboss]

Stalin never came across as someone who loved practical jokes tbf.

 

[Sniffs]

there's just too many people out there who take everything as "serious business". ruffling various feathers or rasing hackles is against my nature. you never know WHO your gona need in a crisis.

 

[FoolKiller]

At the risk of possibly ruffling the feathers of a few of the more conservative types.

My wife and I have been attempting to have a baby ever since she had a miscarriage over the summer. Nothing has been happening and her system has been acting odd since the miscarriage. We went to a fertility specialist and after using some progesterone to get her cycle back in order he placed her on Clomid to help us along. It has a very rare chance of causing multiples, but the chance is still there.

Over Christmas we were talking to my cousin and her wife, who have been looking to adopt for a while now, and discussed that if we have non-identical multiples we would let them adopt one. We all feel that separating identical multiples within the family may come off as detrimental to the children.

But as I said, my wife and I are looking to have A baby and if we get an unexpected, and expensive, surprise we now know that it will have a very good home.

If this happens it will likely upset some of our more conservative family and friends, but in all honesty, I think any child would do better being raised by this pair of females as parents than in many heterosexual couples' homes that I know of.

 

[Christian_C]

So the church preaches that you should love everyone, Yet been a homosexual is a sin? rightttttttttt.

 

[Sureboss]

It's difficult to put all the churches together, there are thousands of sects. One of my friends is very supportive of oppressed gays in his state (Ohio) and is a member of his church and the church are fully behind it.

 

[Jondot]

It's difficult to put all the churches together, there are thousands of sects. One of my friends is very supportive of oppressed gays in his state (Ohio) and is a member of his church and the church are fully behind it.

Indeed. There's a big difference between say, the little evangelical church my mum goes to every sunday morning, and this lot:

 

[Sureboss]

Ah, that Louis Theroux programme was so brilliant.

 

[Diego440]

So the church preaches that you should love everyone, Yet been a homosexual is a sin? rightttttttttt.

Love doesn't mean a sexual relationship. Hence, you can love everyone and not have sex with them. I think you're looking at love as something more than it should be in that phrase.

 

[FoolKiller]

Do we need to respond to the anti-church trolling?

As counterpoint; my cousin and her wife had a commitment ceremony in a church, officiated by a preacher. The only difference between her wedding and mine was that hers had a hippie theme and I had to get a priest to sign my marriage license.

 

[Joey D]

The church thing needs to be looked at in a different light, Jesus supposedly taught that you should love everyone. I'm not talking about in a sexual way or anything, but as in shown compassion and respect for your fellow man. What I don't understand about a lot of Christians (I can't comment on other religions as I don't know their teachings) is that so many of them hate homosexuals. I have a cousin who is a devote Baptist and thinks homosexuals are some of the evillest people on the planet. I bet if I got talking to some of my acquaintances I'd find out that this is true for a lot of them too.

However on the flip side, I've been to church with Kate (against my will) and her church is very accepting of homosexuals (it's Episcopalian). They even have a lesbian couple who adopted a daughter with the help of the priest there. I do think though that this is not the norm though, which is sad. This should be the norm. Even if you don't agree with the people's lifestyle you still should act like Jesus and love your fellow man...barring you believe in Christianity and follow its belief system.

 

[FoolKiller]

The church thing needs to be looked at in a different light, Jesus supposedly taught that you should love everyone. I'm not talking about in a sexual way or anything, but as in shown compassion and respect for your fellow man. What I don't understand about a lot of Christians (I can't comment on other religions as I don't know their teachings) is that so many of them hate homosexuals. I have a cousin who is a devote Baptist and thinks homosexuals are some of the evillest people on the planet. I bet if I got talking to some of my acquaintances I'd find out that this is true for a lot of them too.

This kind of thing here is why I rarely attend church services, but still consider myself to be a Christian. I was raised Baptist and my wife is Catholic. I attend mass with my wife on occasion and will do so regularly after our child is born, but I have found lately that what should be worship services are indoctrinations. The church I grew up in is no better. I also try to avoid the Catholic masses because a few of the older members that are family friends like to come up to me and say, "We need to talk about you joining the church." I know them well enough to know that if we had that talk they would be offended and I still wouldn't join.

 

[Christian_C]

The church thing needs to be looked at in a different light, Jesus supposedly taught that you should love everyone. I'm not talking about in a sexual way or anything, but as in shown compassion and respect for your fellow man. What I don't understand about a lot of Christians (I can't comment on other religions as I don't know their teachings) is that so many of them hate homosexuals. I have a cousin who is a devote Baptist and thinks homosexuals are some of the evillest people on the planet. I bet if I got talking to some of my acquaintances I'd find out that this is true for a lot of them too.

+1, 👍
That is what I was trying to say but in a short sentence and it may have sounded a bit wrong, sorry.

 

[sumbrownkid]

I voted sin, but I don't think it's gonna affect anyone else's lives other than the couple and their families.

 

[Jondot]

The church thing needs to be looked at in a different light, Jesus supposedly taught that you should love everyone. I'm not talking about in a sexual way or anything, but as in shown compassion and respect for your fellow man. What I don't understand about a lot of Christians (I can't comment on other religions as I don't know their teachings) is that so many of them hate homosexuals. I have a cousin who is a devote Baptist and thinks homosexuals are some of the evillest people on the planet. I bet if I got talking to some of my acquaintances I'd find out that this is true for a lot of them too.

However on the flip side, I've been to church with Kate (against my will) and her church is very accepting of homosexuals (it's Episcopalian). They even have a lesbian couple who adopted a daughter with the help of the priest there. I do think though that this is not the norm though, which is sad. This should be the norm. Even if you don't agree with the people's lifestyle you still should act like Jesus and love your fellow man...barring you believe in Christianity and follow its belief system.

As a non-Christian myself, I kinda have to agree. I was always brought up with Christianity being portrayed to me as a warm and fuzzy kind of thing - the 'God loves everyone' idea. Think of it as the Barney the Dinosaur approach. I mean I'm still an atheist after all of my parents' endeavors, but nonetheless that's the view I've been injected with, so to speak. As a result, I've never really been able to understand any denomination where almost pure hate is practiced as a cleansing tool. The 'you will repent or so help you god' approach, by contrast. And I think that's what killed Christianity for me a bit. To have so much of a contrast under one 'roof' so to speak just seems madness to me.

 

[Danny]

Anyone else feel this is the most uncomfortable thread on GTP?

From both sides?

 

[Joey D]

This kind of thing here is why I rarely attend church services, but still consider myself to be a Christian. I was raised Baptist and my wife is Catholic. I attend mass with my wife on occasion and will do so regularly after our child is born, but I have found lately that what should be worship services are indoctrinations. The church I grew up in is no better. I also try to avoid the Catholic masses because a few of the older members that are family friends like to come up to me and say, "We need to talk about you joining the church." I know them well enough to know that if we had that talk they would be offended and I still wouldn't join.

This is one of the reasons I floated away from organised religions, when I sat back and examined it, it sounded almost hateful. Now I have no idea whether or not Jesus was real, but his message seems to have gotten lost in modern Christianity. It seems like Jesus would want people to look out for those who are outcasts in society. I know he used to chill with lepers and tax collectors, probably others too. Since homosexuals are (wrongfully in my opinion) considered outcasts in today's society then it seems like Christians should follow the message of Jesus and accept them.

Religion and social issues tend to be a rather shaky subject unfortunately.

 

[Omnis]

For everyone bashing Christianity yet again: we are disappointed by homosexuality but do not hate the homosexual. Good institutions encourage homos to reconsider and be heteros.

 

[Joey D]

For everyone bashing Christianity yet again: we are disappointed by homosexuality but do not hate the homosexual. Good institutions encourage homos to reconsider and be heteros.

I'm not bashing Christianity, I'm speaking from experience and observations. It is a fact that many Christians and churches hate homosexuals, this is not saying all Christians or churches do though.

And why should homosexuals reconsider their lifestyles? If they are happy with it then why hate on them or make them change? They aren't hurting anything and if there is a supernatural being, we'll say God, who's to say he/she would actually care?

 

[Omnis]

I said encourage, not force.

 

[Joey D]

I said encourage, not force.

Still though, what's the point? If they are happy why would you try to encourage them to change? Like I said being homosexual doesn't hurt anyone.

Not to mention many encouragement methods could very well lead to lots of other problems such as depression. If you tell someone they are living the wrong lifestyle and that they should consider changing, that could mess someone up psychologically.

A good institution should just accept the person's lifestyle and show love and compassion for their fellow man...like Jesus taught.

 

[Keef]

Still though, what's the point?

Sounds to me like a response to Danny's "uncomfortable thread". Homosexuality does not make me uncomfortable, and many of us don't think it's worth debating. It's not awkward at all, unless it grabs my ass, or forgets to shut the door.

Then it's awkward. But besides that, I don't get why people are so offended and judgemental.

 

[Joel]

I don't understand why anyone would have an issue with homosexuals. Like, if you're straight, good for you, if you're gay, good for you. Simple as that.

 

[Diego440]

Anyone else feel this is the most uncomfortable thread on GTP?

From both sides?

Not really. This thread is the one that makes me most uncomfortable.

 

[Omnis]

Still though, what's the point? If they are happy why would you try to encourage them to change? Like I said being homosexual doesn't hurt anyone.

Not to mention many encouragement methods could very well lead to lots of other problems such as depression. If you tell someone they are living the wrong lifestyle and that they should consider changing, that could mess someone up psychologically.

A good institution should just accept the person's lifestyle and show love and compassion for their fellow man...like Jesus taught.

Because if you believe it's a sin to engage in homosexuality, then what could possibly be a more kind, caring gesture than to encourage someone to do something that could save his or her soul.

It's up to homosexuals to accept or reject that. But that's all it boils down to.

 

[YSSMAN]

Anyone else feel this is the most uncomfortable thread on GTP?

From both sides?

I can agree with this statement, but I tend to side with the LGBT community on the issue. But, its also a difference of the way in which we are all raised, and even the generations themselves. My Mom's generation views things very differently than my own, and as most things go, they will change eventually as time goes by.

It's not awkward at all, unless it grabs my ass, or forgets to shut the door.

I guess this is where I start to have an issue. A lot of heteros reference things like this as it could happen frequently, and based on my own experiences, it doesn't. Homosexual life isn't an episode of Will and Grace.

 

[Omnis]

Homosexual life isn't an episode of Will and Grace.

How about Bakuten?

 

[Prosthetic]

Hard gay is awesome!

And Omnis, I think I'm miss-reading your post. Are you saying that we all should tell homosexuals to consider changing or you saying that the extreme anti-gays should use less bigotry in their actions?