The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

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I think homosexuality is:

  • a problem that needs to be cured.

    Votes: 88 6.0%
  • a sin against God/Nature.

    Votes: 145 9.8%
  • OK as long as they don't talk about it.

    Votes: 62 4.2%
  • OK for anybody.

    Votes: 416 28.2%
  • nobody's business but the people involved.

    Votes: 765 51.8%

  • Total voters
    1,476
Why is it relevant if there is choice in the matter or not?

I think it's relevant to the religious side of the discussion as they believe it to be a choice. Though it's not relevant to me and my opinion, though it does bother me if people seem to care whether homosexuality is a choice or not.

JoeyD
So if homosexuality is a genetic mutation then what will it do to the X-men

With names like Angel, Beast and Pixie, I think they'll do just fine ;)

Jondot
Oh thanks

Definitely not meant as insult. :D
 
I just don't get two things about the argument.
1) If we are all gods children and creation, then how is it a disgrace to god. I guess that's why they argue the choice vs. born that way argument.

2) What sanctity of marriage are they protecting, currently 60% of marriages don't last. Maybe we should make straight marriage illegal to since we can't seem to stop sinning by breaking the vows of our marriages.

Those are the two things that just confuse me about this whole issue.
 
2) What sanctity of marriage are they protecting, currently 60% of marriages don't last. Maybe we should make straight marriage illegal to since we can't seem to stop sinning by breaking the vows of our marriages.

Those are the two things that just confuse me about this whole issue.

Nobody has ever been able to properly explain their views on anti-gay marriage to me.

"Ahh well, we're protecting the sanctity of marriage you see"
"Eh? Well you're aware that a big proportion of marriages end in divorce, right?"
"Sure, but it's not just that. I mean marriage was intended for heterosexual relationships."
"Right, so you're saying that homosexuality is unnatural then?"
"No, not as such. I'd agree that it's perfectly natural"
"Right, so if it's perfectly natural (like heterosexual relationships), what's wrong with gay marriage?"
"I... well... Oh look! A squirrel..."
 
Jondot
Insert something Jon would say here

Rather than start a new thread, I would like to raise issue with the increasing prejudice of bisexual people from the gay community, for which I am holding you personally responsible. I think if you're advocating equal rights, targeting another social group is not the way to go about it. To be entirely fair Jon, I know you don't harbour that view, but you're the representative for this issue in my eyes.
 
I just don't get two things about the argument.
1) If we are all gods children and creation, then how is it a disgrace to god. I guess that's why they argue the choice vs. born that way argument.

All comes down to the supposed 'free will' God gave us. From their POV it's a choice to be a sinner, the choice being given by free will that God gave us. You know free will, great thing, do what we say or you will go to somewhere hot and they poke you with sticks, and I don't mean Max Mosley's house.;)
 
All comes down to the supposed 'free will' God gave us. From their POV it's a choice to be a sinner, the choice being given by free will that God gave us. You know free will, great thing, do what we say or you will go to somewhere hot and they poke you with sticks, and I don't mean Max Mosley's house.;)

Yes but if it is a choice, then that choice would be one of gods creations wouldn't it.
 
pah. why do the british assume gay=camp=Mr. Humphries :sly:
I can't decorate within an inch of my life. if I could, i wouldn't be a car guy, I bet :P


I just don't get two things about the argument.
1) If we are all gods children and creation, then how is it a disgrace to god. I guess that's why they argue the choice vs. born that way argument.

2) What sanctity of marriage are they protecting, currently 60% of marriages don't last. Maybe we should make straight marriage illegal to since we can't seem to stop sinning by breaking the vows of our marriages.

Those are the two things that just confuse me about this whole issue.

an answer from this side of the fence.
both: they are going by rules laid down in a time when death awaited around the corner if you ate the wrong piece of food.
 
Rather than start a new thread, I would like to raise issue with the increasing prejudice of bisexual people from the gay community, for which I am holding you personally responsible. I think if you're advocating equal rights, targeting another social group is not the way to go about it. To be entirely fair Jon, I know you don't harbour that view, but you're the representative for this issue in my eyes.


Yes, I agree.





Huh?

pah. why do the british assume gay=camp=Mr. Humphries :sly:
I can't decorate within an inch of my life. if I could, i wouldn't be a car guy, I bet :P

Don't you label us Brits with reinforcing these camp stereotypes! The gay steelworkers scene from The Simpsons comes to mind here ;)

It's because that's the way that, up until recently, gays have been presented in the media and everyone's latched onto that. Unfortunately, some have also decided that the likes of fictional characters such as Mr Humphries from AYBS, Jack from Will and Grace, and John Barrowman (I refuse to believe he's real) are possibly the best role models in the world for behaviour. Ok so it doesn't work quite like that, but still.
 
I would like to raise issue with the increasing prejudice of bisexual people from the gay community

Is there a big problem with regard to that? The only problem regarding bisexuals that I know of are all the girls who claim they're bi, who annoy straight people because they go around waving the bi banner as if they've got a chip on their shoulder about gay rights, and annoy gay people because they're blatantly not bi, they're just easy, or drunk, and basically doing it to be "cool". And I don't mean that in a means to cause offence, it's just the most accurate perception.

The only actual bisexual person I knew was a guy, one of my friends at my last uni. He was president of the LGBT society and at the time, had a girlfriend.

And none of the gay men I know are camp, so in that respect they all defeat the popular stereotype.

Don't you label us Brits with reinforcing these camp stereotypes! The gay steelworkers scene from The Simpsons comes to mind here ;)

EVERYBODY DANCE NOW :sly:
 
Is there a big problem with regard to that?

Yeah, a pretty sizeable problem.

A lot of the gay men I've spoken to have admitted they'd be less likely to trust me than they would a regular gay man. And it's a similar story when I talk to girls, a few are less trusting. It's quite bad, actually.
 
Yes but if it is a choice, then that choice would be one of gods creations wouldn't it.

If it was a choice then how could it be a choice when choosing one way will send you to hell?


Damn, too much hypothetical going on for a Christmas break.
 
If it was a choice then how could it be a choice when choosing one way will send you to hell?


Damn, too much hypothetical going on for a Christmas break.

Damn, Christianity, why do you have to be so confusing.

Sometime I think god needed a laugh so he created us, kind of like the episode of South Park.
 
A lot of the gay men I've spoken to have admitted they'd be less likely to trust me than they would a regular gay man. And it's a similar story when I talk to girls, a few are less trusting. It's quite bad, actually.

I suppose at the end of the day it's a "stereotype", just like I mentioned with "bi" girls. There does seem to be a reputation that people who are bi are "putting it on". Obviously many aren't, but the ones who are tend to cause the stereotype.
 
This is interesting...

BBC News
Pope Benedict XVI has said that saving humanity from homosexual or transsexual behaviour is just as important as saving the rainforest from destruction.

He explained that defending God's creation was not limited to saving the environment, but also about protecting man from self-destruction.

The Pope was delivering his end-of-year address to senior Vatican staff.

His words, later released to the media, emphasised his rejection of gender theory.

Speaking on Monday, Pope Benedict XVI warned that gender theory blurred the distinction between male and female and could thus lead to the "self-destruction" of the human race.

Gender theory explores sexual orientation, the roles assigned by society to individuals according to their gender, and how people perceive their biological identity.

Rainforests deserve, yes, our protection, but the human being ... does not deserve it less.

Gay and transsexual groups, particularly in the United States, promote it as a key to understanding and tolerance, but the Pope disagreed.

When the Roman Catholic Church defends God's Creation, "it does not only defend the earth, water and the air... but (it) also protects man from his own destruction," he said.

"Rainforests deserve, yes, our protection, but the human being ... does not deserve it less," the pontiff said.

It is not "out-of-date metaphysics" to "speak of human nature as 'man' or woman'", he told scores of prelates gathered in the Vatican's sumptuous Clementine Hall.

"We need something like human ecology, meant in the right way."

The Catholic Church opposes gay marriage. It teaches that while homosexuality is not sinful, homosexual acts are.

Rev Sharon Ferguson, chief executive of Britain's Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement, described the Pope's remarks as "totally irresponsible and unacceptable".

"When you have religious leaders like that making that sort of statement then followers feel they are justified in behaving in an aggressive and violent way," she said.

The pope uses his traditional end-of-year speech to offer his Christmas greetings and say a few words about what he considers the important issues of the day.

This year, Pope Benedict also deplored the tendency to depict the Catholic church's World Youth Day, which he attended in Sydney earlier this year, as mere spectacle.

He stressed that the event should not be considered a "variant of modern youth culture, as a kind of ecclesiastical rock festival with the Pope as the star," but as the fruition of a "long exterior and interior path".
 
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Well, you know, Ian McKellan is gay - and Magneto can throw a hell of a lot more than cushions around...
:scared:
But he would only be able to throw cushions if they had a zip.
 
Meh, methinks the Pope is maybe overegging the pudding a bit here. Cross-genderism hardly poses a threat to the species! Last time I checked, heterosexual people were populating the planet at a higher rate than ever before! Indeed, even women who have had sexual reassignment surgery to become blokes are having babies these days! And this is pretty rich coming from an old dude who wears a dress and couldn't look more like Liberace if he tried!


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His Holiness is also over eighty, and is well set in His ways, so I'm not gonna argue. I wouldn't be ticked unless His Holiness the Dali Lama starts on it.

*chuckle* none of you guys have ever actually SEEN those of us on the other side of the fence. neither the Mr Humprhies type or the "village people" type is the real thing :P we look like the rest of ya slobs.

oh, as for the Simpsons...well, I don't get to look at it. cartoons, including adult ones, are still considered kiddie fair. it turns out to be an American thing.
 
*chuckle* none of you guys have ever actually SEEN those of us on the other side of the fence. neither the Mr Humprhies type or the "village people" type is the real thing :P we look like the rest of ya slobs.
Really, I'll have to ask my employee what I don't see in him then.

And for the record, he doesn't fit any stereotype, unless artistically talented, hippie bum, pothead is considered an average gay man. He constantly looks like he last shaved two weeks ago and reeks of pot, but the painting he dedicated to his dead mate is some of the best amateur art I have ever seen.

We also have a very effeminate guy in IT that fits the Village People stereotype (he had to be asked to never where the cutoffs to work again), but his wife works in another department, and he raises rattlesnakes as a hobby/side business.

And then there is my cousin. She and her wife are looking to adopt right now and they attend church every Sunday.

Trust me, my daily life is an example of breaking down homosexual stereotypes.
 
I was about to dig up this old thread with the Pope's revelations, but no need, it has already been done. 👍
I'll just add this: His Holiness needs a good spanking on his purty pink mature buttoks. I'm so fed up with religion, any religion, why can't they just leave us be and accept all God's creations? :ill:
 
I'm so fed up with religion, any religion, why can't they just leave us be and accept all God's creations? :ill:
There is a reason why I do not regularly attend church. I have trouble even giving the appearance that I support these notions.
 
My issue is with Religion creeping into Politics over this matter, because, as far as my knowledge goes a religion is a belief, so for one religion to try and impose something through politics they are trying to make me believe something I don't want too. Isn't that a dictatorship?
 
My issue is with Religion creeping into Politics over this matter, because, as far as my knowledge goes a religion is a belief, so for one religion to try and impose something through politics they are trying to make me believe something I don't want too. Isn't that a dictatorship?
They aren't trying to force you into believing something, they are trying to force you to act according to their beliefs.

And it is not a dictatorship, because that requires a single dictator.
 
I voted its there own business anyway, I really couldn't care what people do as long as its within the law.
I agree except I would change within the law to doesn't violate anyone else's rights. Unfortunately, the law often violates rights.
 
Trust me, my daily life is an example of breaking down homosexual stereotypes.
I mis-flag people all the time… one of my best friends whom I’ve known since elementary school came out during junior year of high school, and it took me a few months to realize he wasn’t joking. Then there are a couple people I know who I would’ve bet my life’s savings that they were doughnut punchers, and in fact they aren’t.

I would change within the law to doesn't violate
Woah! :lol:
 
Meh, methinks the Pope is maybe overegging the pudding a bit here.

The pope was in the Hitler Youth as a youngster anyway, so I'd be disinclined to believe too much he says when it comes to matters such as this. Conscription or not we've not had a religious leader so closely linked to the Nazi party before... the views of the church on homosexuality sit quite happily with that really...
 
The pope was in the Hitler Youth as a youngster anyway, so I'd be disinclined to believe too much he says when it comes to matters such as this. Conscription or not we've not had a religious leader so closely linked to the Nazi party before... the views of the church on homosexuality sit quite happily with that really...
If he were saying something new and not just reiterating the church's stand on this I would say you might, might, have a case.


As it is my wife's church (Catholic) recently fired a woman, that acted in some official capacity for the church, who had long been suspected of being a lesbian (that or she had a hetero life mate she'd been living with for 12 years) because she was photographed in the paper at a Clinton rally during the election.

People had been looking for an excuse to get her out of the position since the lesbian rumors started. When she was finally seen publicly supporting a candidate that went against the church's teachings on key issues such as abortion and gay marriage a letter signed by over 50 members was sent to the priest and bishop.

This all happened over the summer, so I am pretty sure the pope is saying nothing new.
 
PZ Myers has the best headline for this: Virgin male in dress chastises gay people for their confused sexuality
 
Perhaps now the Pope is bothered about homosexuality he can stop his servants from molesting young boys?
 
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