The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

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I think homosexuality is:

  • a problem that needs to be cured.

    Votes: 88 6.0%
  • a sin against God/Nature.

    Votes: 145 9.8%
  • OK as long as they don't talk about it.

    Votes: 62 4.2%
  • OK for anybody.

    Votes: 416 28.2%
  • nobody's business but the people involved.

    Votes: 765 51.8%

  • Total voters
    1,476
Good institutions encourage homos to reconsider and be heteros.
I find this a rather shocking remark. One is either gay or is not gay, it is not a choice one can make. there is nothing to reconsider. Any person can abstinate from sex, but to encourage a gay person to turn hetero is a rediculous idea. I would consider an institution that encourages gays to become hetero bad and not good, as you state it. If a person came up to me and started to encourage me to become a hetero, I probably slap him/her across the face and than ask what he/she means. :grumpy:
 
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I find this a rather shocking remark. One is either gay or is not gay, it is not a choice one can make. there is nothing to reconsider. Any person can abstinate from sex, but to encourage a gay person to turn hetero is a rediculous idea. I would consider an institution that encourages gays to become hetero evil and not good, as you state it. If a person came up to me and started to encourage me to become a hetero, I probably slap him/her across the face and than ask what he/she means. :grumpy:
I have no idea what Omnis's point is, but I think what he's getting at is what you're doing. Apparently God hates gay people. And yet it is evil to try to convert them. So what you're saying here is that gay people are doomed to be hated. That's what you're saying.
 
I have no idea what Omnis's point is, but I think what he's getting at is what you're doing. Apparently God hates gay people. And yet it is evil to try to convert them. So what you're saying here is that gay people are doomed to be hated. That's what you're saying.
I shouldn't have used the word 'evil', but 'bad' instead. I will edit that in my original post.
 
I have no idea what Omnis's point is, but I think what he's getting at is what you're doing. Apparently God hates gay people. And yet it is evil to try to convert them. So what you're saying here is that gay people are doomed to be hated. That's what you're saying.
You could put it that way. Unless we find a way to educate those haters, to make them see that there is no reason for hate. To heal them, one might say.
 
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Good institutions encourage homos to reconsider and be heteros.

I think this sentence reveals a depth of misunderstanding about the nature of homosexuality that is probably quite common but is still quite staggering, not to mention patronising. Good institutions should not encourage homosexual people to question their sexuality, but accept it. The very idea that one's sexual preference can be changed at all is highly debatable, nevermind the morality of actually trying to persuade someone that their sexual preference is wrong and in need of change.
 
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Good institutions encourage homos to reconsider and be heteros.

I'd like to encourage you to only consider women who share your specific racial/ethnic background.

After all, if God didn't intend white people to marry only white people and black people to marry only black people, why are there distinct races?
 
I think this sentence reveals a depth of misunderstanding about the nature of homosexuality that is probably quite common but is still quite staggering, not to mention patronising. Good institutions should not encourage homosexual people to question their sexuality, but accept it. The very idea that one's sexual preference can be changed at all is highly debatable, nevermind the morality of actually trying to persuade someone that their sexual preference is wrong and in need of change.
I can point to a few reasons why that misunderstanding exists. I often find that ignorance breeds more ignorance and the gay rights issue is too recent for much of society to get beyond that ignorance.

First is lack of experience. I do not like spinach and think that anyone who does has problems. Straight people who don't know gay people, or don't know they know them, have zero experience with homosexuality other than what they see on TV. Everything is based on stereotypes. I still know people that act surprised when you mention that Ellen Degeneres or Elton John are gay, but mention Rosie O'Donnell and they start talking about her holding water back. They need a stereotype to recognize it because non-stereotypical gay people don't stand out like different races do. Some people in my family still don't know my cousin is gay even though she brings a really good friend that she lives with to every single family event. If she wore leather and shaved her head they would figure it out, but she acts and looks like holly homemaker and is a school teacher straight of of a Hallmark Channel movie. So, the only gay people they are always aware of are the ones that act strange, and actions and dress are a chosen behavior.

Next is a couple of terms that used to be commonly used, even within the gay community (in the US at least).

Lifestyle choice. This is pretty self explanatory as to why it confuses people. Choice is in the term. It is now used much, much less than it used to be, but the slightly more common term, that even you just used, is hardly much better.

Sexual preference. I prefer chocolate ice cream over vanilla, but I can still choose between the two. Again, the term sounds like it is regarding a willing and conscious decision. But this one is also falling out of common use.


Fortunately, the media and political spectrums are beginning to use the term sexual orientation.



The hurdle is huge in proving homosexuality is not a choice. If it is a genetic thing then it can be termed a disease or condition. No homosexuals want that. But until there is some biological difference that can be shown then the ignorant will refuse to believe it is anything but a choice. But if you can find it is a biological or even psychological difference then you will inevitably have someone trying to find a "cure."

I just think that science is getting closer and closer to proving that no one is the way they are just because. Every single trait in humans can likely be traced to something biological or psychological. I just hope that when we reach that point society is beyond thinking they can "fix" people.
 
I'm still in the "who cares if it's a choice?" camp.

I'm basically now at the viewpoint that if you don't believe same-sex marriages should be legal, you're either not thinking about it carefully enough or you're just a bigot. It's absurd to deny the rights of others based on sexual preference. It's straight up bigotry and it's exactly the same as not allowing interracial marriages.

America is the land where nobody can mind their own business.
 
To simplify things...

If you don't believe in gay marriage, don't get one.

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I don't believe in the cannibalistic ritual of holy communion, but i don't think that gay community should get together and educate christians into reconsidering their distasteful habits either. ;)
 
Some people in my family still don't know my cousin is gay even though she brings a really good friend that she lives with to every single family event.

Wait, what? Either:

1) She's lesbian, not gay. (Gay is only used for male homosexuals.)
2) "She" is really a he.
3) You made the same typo five times.

 
Wait, what? Either:

1) She's lesbian, not gay. (Gay is only used for male homosexuals.)
2) "She" is really a he.
3) You made the same typo five times.


Gay doesn't have to mean just a man/man relationship.
 
Wait, what? Either:

1) She's lesbian, not gay. (Gay is only used for male homosexuals.)
2) "She" is really a he.
3) You made the same typo five times.

Gay doesn't have to mean just a man/man relationship.
What Joey said. Regional differences in English is likely the confusion as American English and European English has quite a few differences in the meaning of words.
 
Agreed. Gay doesn't just mean man/man. The thing that mostly bugs me about this whole issue is when people say that a Gay relationship between two men is "wrong", or just "not right", then they go watch a girl on girl porno.
 
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Wait, what? Either:

1) She's lesbian, not gay. (Gay is only used for male homosexuals.)

As has been mentioned, this is incorrect. If you even slightly knew this already, you'd be aware that there are quite a few gay women who don't like the term "lesbian", as it can often encourage prejudices in peoples' minds - such as the aforementioned "shaven head and leather" that FoolKiller mentioned, as well as stereotypes like being a radical feminist, or putting an image of "porn lesbians" into peoples heads - and as a great many gay women who are neither butch nor "porn lesbians", they don't really like the term.
 
If it is a genetic thing then it can be termed a disease or condition. No homosexuals want that. But until there is some biological difference that can be shown then the ignorant will refuse to believe it is anything but a choice. But if you can find it is a biological or even psychological difference then you will inevitably have someone trying to find a "cure."

I actually tend to think that's what it is (not that I'm an expert or anything). Evolutionarily, it doesn't make sense. And the entire point of attraction is reproduction.

However, that doesn't mean a cure is needed. It's not contagious or harmful. Even if it was down to genetics, that wouldn't be enough to rally against it. It's like you say, people are genes. So long as those genes aren't killing you/other people, what's the harm?
 
I'm perfectly fine with homosexuality. The thing that annoys me most is that because of stereotypes these days people seem to think that it's the clothes you wear or the TV Shows you watch that make you homosexual rather than actually being attracted to people of the same sex. My dad is very homophobic, and he has a gay couple renting a flat of which he is the landlord, and the first thing he said to me was "At least all the housework will get done". And I just think to myself, being attracted to people of the same sex makes you gay, not doing the chores, and it seems like no-one I know gets that.
 
Just as a side point (and while I'm sufficiently full of Strongbow to ask, and yet type legibly) how many people on GTP would call something (ie not a person) gay in a negative way?

I've just had to tell off some randomer in the student bar for doing that. Huzzah!
 
Just as a side point (and while I'm sufficiently full of Strongbow to ask, and yet type legibly) how many people on GTP would call something (ie not a person) gay in a negative way?

I've just had to tell off some randomer in the student bar for doing that. Huzzah!

Maybe when I was 13 or 14 I would, but as I've gotten older (and maturer) I wouldn't. I have a lot of other words I'd rather use to describe something in a negative way.
 
Just as a side point (and while I'm sufficiently full of Strongbow to ask, and yet type legibly) how many people on GTP would call something (ie not a person) gay in a negative way?

I've just had to tell off some randomer in the student bar for doing that. Huzzah!

As per my usual failing to tow the maturity line, I'll admit that I do. I've called something gay because it's frustrated me before; but, like its' origins, the word gay doesn't always have to carry a sexual stigma or identifier. I firmly believe that political correctness has cultured the taboo nature of using gay in a negative light so as to haphazardly attempt to mitigate homophobia.

"Well that's gay. . ."
"What does that mean?"

All that serves is to cause trouble. With no demonstratable relation to sexuality, I consider the use of it fair-game, if admittedly inappropriate.

However, where from came the term gay? Being synonymous with homosexual is as stigmatizing as using it in a negative light; not all gay men are "airy-fairy", flamboyant hairdressers for example.

And so I maintain my right to keep the blade of this sword sharp on both edges.

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PS- on a sidenote, Danny, I didn't know you were that guy! :sly:
 
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Just as a side point (and while I'm sufficiently full of Strongbow to ask, and yet type legibly) how many people on GTP would call something (ie not a person) gay in a negative way?

I've just had to tell off some randomer in the student bar for doing that. Huzzah!
I won't lie, I say "gay" all the time to describe things that I think are stupid, etc. Does that offend you? I'm not trying to offend anybody. I don't have a secret hatred of gay people. I know gay people that call things gay, just because that's a word we use.
 
To be honest I've learned to live with that. I try to think of it like the word has just been given an additional meaning. Hell it meant happy at one point, so why can't it mean something else too? I'm not especially happy with it, but as I've used it before I can say that (for me at least) saying 'gay' in that context brought up no thoughts of its other meaning.

If people started saying 'that's homo' I might think differently, though.
 
To be honest I've learned to live with that. I try to think of it like the word has just been given an additional meaning. Hell it meant happy at one point, so why can't it mean something else too? I'm not especially happy with it, but as I've used it before I can say that (for me at least) saying 'gay' in that context brought up no thoughts of its other meaning.

If people started saying 'that's homo' I might think differently, though.

I hear that all the time at school (High School)
 
Just as a side point (and while I'm sufficiently full of Strongbow to ask, and yet type legibly) how many people on GTP would call something (ie not a person) gay in a negative way?

I've just had to tell off some randomer in the student bar for doing that. Huzzah!

It happens a lot here (mostly among the younger crowd, surprisingly in some ways). We as a staff try to discourage it when we see it.
 
One is either gay or is not gay, it is not a choice one can make. there is nothing to reconsider.

I think that depends on your own personal definitions of sexuality. I spent some time reading the book Nobody Passes by Matt Sycamore earlier this year which addresses the very nature of that statement. Placing someone into a "category" more often than not does a disservice to themselves, and their way of life. Granted, we as human beings prefer to categorize things in order to make our lives easier, but I'm of the mindset that sexuality is something that cannot be easily placed into anything. You like what you like, and that may include some things in regards to your own sex, or some other "deviance" that others may find strange, or downright horrifying. Trying to conform to a single definition for some of these people who may identify as LGBT may be extremely difficult, and in some cases, may be downright impossible. Which of course limits their own acceptance not only with heterosexuals, but with the gay communities as well.
 

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