The Illuminati and other Conspiracy Theories thread

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

The number of solar observatories abruptly closed around the world is now said to number about a dozen. No other new facts seem to have emerged.

IMO, the leading theory is still that of espionage/illicit intelligence gathering on a network basis.

I would be inclined to agree with this, I'm not sure why the others thought it'd be more funny to suggest it was a issue of the earthly gaseous type as a joke at mostly you posting. Anyways, I find it a plausible national security issue where a group has a use for national infrastructures to view other national infrastructures to gain potentially vital info.

My question is...what is with the government and using blackhawk helicopters?

 

[Dotini]

The barest bones of an explanation emerges from AURA.

According to a release by the Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy (AURA), the observatory will reopen Monday after criminal activity was reported at Sacramento Peak.

The release also stated that the investigation involved a suspect who AURA officials believed posed a threat to the safety of staff and residents that live nearby.

AURA has not released the current status of the suspect or any information involving the suspect.

ABC-7 learned the observatory had closed on Sept. 6 and that staff and some residents in the area were forced to evacuate.

According to AURA, they did not release any information about the closure because of the potential of alerting the suspect and impede the law enforcement investigation.

Here's the complete statement from AURA:

On September 6th the Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy (AURA) and the National Science Foundation (NSF) made the decision to temporarily vacate the Sunspot Solar Observatory at Sacramento Peak, New Mexico as a precautionary measure while addressing a security issue. The facility closed down in an orderly fashion and is now re-opening. The residents that vacated their homes will be returning to the site, and all employees will return to work this week. AURA has been cooperating with an on-going law enforcement investigation of criminal activity that occurred at Sacramento Peak. During this time, we became concerned that a suspect in the investigation potentially posed a threat to the safety of local staff and residents. For this reason, AURA temporarily vacated the facility and ceased science activities at this location. The decision to vacate was based on the logistical challenges associated with protecting personnel at such a remote location, and the need for expeditious response to the potential threat. AURA determined that moving the small number of on-site staff and residents off the mountain was the most prudent and effective action to ensure their safety. In light of recent developments in the investigation, we have determined there is no risk to staff, and Sunspot Solar Observatory is transitioning back to regular operations as of September 17th. Given the significant amount of publicity the temporary closure has generated, and the consequent expectation of an unusual number of visitors to the site, we are temporarily engaging a security service while the facility returns to a normal working environment. We recognize that the lack of communications while the facility was vacated was concerning and frustrating for some. However, our desire to provide additional information had to be balanced against the risk that, if spread at the time, the news would alert the suspect and impede the law enforcement investigation. That was a risk we could not take.

https://www.kvia.com/news/new-mexic...y-to-reopen-after-fbi-investigation/795918049

 

[TenEightyOne]

The barest bones of an explanation emerges from AURA.




https://www.kvia.com/news/new-mexic...y-to-reopen-after-fbi-investigation/795918049

So there was no weight to the rumours that other observatories were closed during this 'incident'?

 

[Dotini]

So there was no weight to the rumours that other observatories were closed during this 'incident'?

Good question. Firstly, the other 6 (or 12?) observatories that were "closed", were not so much the entire facility closed as in Sunspot, but seem mainly related to the operation of their WebCams. This whole aspect of it could be coincidental and unrelated. But since so little is known or released of the Sunspot incident itself, it is hard to say. Best to wait until more is known. Two Blackhawks crammed with armored and armed FBI agents stormed the place, with noticeable immediate attention to the tower, antennae and instruments, and other agents armed with laptops were seen. The nearby post office and small town were evacuated, and the local Sheriff told he wasn't needed. Now a criminal suspect is referenced, but very little is really explained, and the whole thing still seems mysterious.

 

[jpine324]

Well to go along with this....did you hear about the 6 super computers (SNOW WHITE) and their corresponding satellites(CORONA) that were shut down about 2 or 3 weeks ago....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3684038/posts?page=7

 

[TenEightyOne]

Well to go along with this....did you hear about the 6 super computers (SNOW WHITE) and their corresponding satellites(CORONA) that were shut down about 2 or 3 weeks ago....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3684038/posts?page=7

If the CIA choose to retire some obsolete then who cares... and who really knows? This story smells strongly of internetbollocks to me. The Freerepublic angle adds a subtle note of basement.

 

[jpine324]

If the CIA choose to retire some obsolete then who cares... and who really knows? This story smells strongly of internetbollocks to me. The Freerepublic angle adds a subtle note of basement.

From what I am hearing and reading- is They did not retire them....They were shut down(Military Intelligence)

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Good question. Firstly, the other 6 (or 12?) observatories that were "closed", were not so much the entire facility closed as in Sunspot, but seem mainly related to the operation of their WebCams. This whole aspect of it could be coincidental and unrelated. But since so little is known or released of the Sunspot incident itself, it is hard to say. Best to wait until more is known. Two Blackhawks crammed with armored and armed FBI agents stormed the place, with noticeable immediate attention to the tower, antennae and instruments, and other agents armed with laptops were seen. The nearby post office and small town were evacuated, and the local Sheriff told he wasn't needed. Now a criminal suspect is referenced, but very little is really explained, and the whole thing still seems mysterious.

My issue with this is that people one supposedly misinterpreted the evacuation. And said it wasn't FBI but AURA themselves that made the evacuation a thing, which is fine but still makes it confusing why such a heavy federal law enforcement was needed. It also is still strange because the explanation given is a single suspect that created this entire mess but yet...why so much for this individual if it weren't a spy or infiltration issue which I still think it is. Also the claim is they knew all along why the shut down was going on and (implied lied) acted dumb, and did this to keep the suspect in the dark and not tip them off.

If you're not tipping someone off why would you shut down the entire place and call for an evacuation...to me that would seem obvious to the supposed suspect. This is very much a mystery still and no more closer to an answer than before they gave this story.

 

[TenEightyOne]

From what I am hearing and reading- is They did not retire them....They were shut down(Military Intelligence)

There isn't any functional difference in visibility between shutting down and retiring, it's simply that the second is far more likely due to the age of corona. And how come you have access to military intelligence? That seems like it might be a Ludicrous Claim.

 

[niky]

A poster on another site said that there must be some significance to having several volcanoes erupting all at the same time, in an argument about solar effects on climate and possibly on the Earth itself.

I noted that there are always several to a dozen volcanoes erupting in any given year.

There is significance in some numbers only if you are unaware of the base value or background value of such.

"some"

 

[Dotini]

A poster on another site said that there must be some significance to having several volcanoes erupting all at the same time, in an argument about solar effects on climate and possibly on the Earth itself.

I noted that there are always several to a dozen volcanoes erupting in any given year.

There is significance in some numbers only if you are unaware of the base value or background value of such.

"some"

Interesting!

There appear to be a small number of peer reviewed science articles easily found on the internet which suggest a small correlation between volcanoes and solar minima, which we are currently experiencing. Also there is a suggestion that the slowing of the Earth's rotation, a cyclical affair which are also currently experiencing, may also have a small positive correlation with earthquakes and volcanoes.

The historical record of large volcanic eruptions from 1500 to 1980, as contained in two recent catalogs, is subjected to detailed time series analysis. Two weak, but probably statistically significant, periodicities of ∼11 and ∼80 years are detected. Both cycles appear to correlate with well-known cycles of solar activity; the phasing is such that the frequency of volcanic eruptions increases (decreases) slightly around the times of solar minimum (maximum).
https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/abs/st07500u.html

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/2003ESASP.535..393S

Volcanic activity erupts particulate matter and chemicals that have been associated with global cooling

This preliminary study showed 80.6% of the largest eruptions took place during extended solar activity minimums. Significantly, the following list of the eight largest volcanic eruptions globally (VEI>6) since 1650, shows all but one took place only during a solar hibernation, or significant reduction in solar activity as measured by sunspot count.
source: Source: Smithsonian Institute.
https://weathercycles.wordpress.com...correlated-with-solar-minimum/comment-page-1/

Is it now established that small statistical correlations are sufficient grounds for volcano causation to be subsumed as conspiracy theory?

 

[niky]

Interesting!

There appear to be a small number of peer reviewed science articles easily found on the internet which suggest a small correlation between volcanoes and solar minima, which we are currently experiencing. Also there is a suggestion that the slowing of the Earth's rotation, a cyclical affair which are also currently experiencing, may also have a small positive correlation with earthquakes and volcanoes.




http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/2003ESASP.535..393S



Is it now established that small statistical correlations are sufficient grounds for volcano causation to be subsumed as conspiracy theory?

Define small. Is it big enough to matter?

On the other paw, the guy doesn't believe in global warming. A solar minimum and a slight increase in vulcanism means we should be entering a cooling period.

But we aren't.

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But that's a discussion for that other thread.

 

[TheGeologist]

The barest bones of an explanation emerges from AURA.




https://www.kvia.com/news/new-mexic...y-to-reopen-after-fbi-investigation/795918049

 

[baldgye]

View attachment 767199

Just another page of the evil Crab-people's elaborate cover story.

 

[Dotini]

Below is an update of Reuters reporting. I have no trouble believing a janitor would access child porn by using government facilities. What a moron! But I do wonder why they have neither arrested nor charged him. Perhaps they killed him already? Obviously he deserved it, else why would they have swooped in with Blackhawks and armored agents? When dealing with sexual monsters, shoot first and ask questions later is definitely the right policy.

U.S.
SEPTEMBER 19, 2018 / 5:30 PM / UPDATED 9 HOURS AGO
New Mexico observatory closure stemmed from FBI child porn probe: documents

Steve Gorman
(Reuters) - The mysterious 11-day closure of a New Mexico solar observatory stemmed from an FBI investigation of a janitor suspected of using the facility’s wireless internet service to send and receive child pornography, federal court documents showed on Wednesday.

The National Solar Observatory in Sunspot, New Mexico, was evacuated without public explanation on Sept. 6, leading to a swirl of social media speculation and rumors driven by its proximity to two U.S. military installations and the town of Roswell.

Approximately two hours away from the observatory by car, Roswell was the site of a famous 1947 sighting of unidentified flying objects that the U.S. Air Force later said were top-secret high-altitude weather balloons.

UFO conspiracy lore has it that a flying saucer crashed near Roswell, and that remains of the craft and alien crew were clandestinely removed from the crash site by the government and taken to a top-secret test site in Nevada for examination.

But the mystery of the Sunspot Observatory closure proved far less complicated. It was finally explained in newly unsealed FBI records, including a 39-page application for a warrant to search the suspect’s residence.

An agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation wrote in the affidavit that she was “investigating the activities of an individual who was utilizing the wireless internet service of the National Solar Observatory in Sunspot, New Mexico, to download and distribute child pornography.”

The FBI affidavit identified the suspect as a janitor under contract to clean the facility, whose laptop was found to have been used to connect to the observatory’s wireless system.

According to the affidavit, observatory officials made the decision to close and evacuate the site out of concern that the suspect might pose a danger to other personnel.

The observatory was reopened on Monday.

The person has not been arrested or charged, and no arrest warrant has been issued, according to the FBI.

Frank Fisher, a spokesman for the FBI field office in Albuquerque, told Reuters that the case was still under investigation.


The warrant issued by a U.S. magistrate in Las Cruces, New Mexico, showed that on Sept. 14 agents removed from the man’s home three cell phones, five laptops, one iPad, an external hard drive, 16 thumb drives, 89 compact flash disks and other material.

Reporting by Steve Gorman in Los Angeles; Additional reporting by Joey Roulette in Orlando, Florida

 

[baldgye]

Below is an update of Reuters reporting. I have no trouble believing a janitor would access child porn by using government facilities. What a moron! But I do wonder why they have neither arrested nor charged him. Perhaps they killed him already? Obviously he deserved it, else why would they have swooped in with Blackhawks and armored agents? When dealing with sexual monsters, shoot first and ask questions later is definitely the right policy.

I automatically read that whole thing in the voice of Eddie Jordan... I'm not sure if that's good or bad

 

[Famine]

 

[Dotini]

I automatically read that whole thing in the voice of Eddie Jordan... I'm not sure if that's good or bad

The article mentions a search warrant that was executed on September 14th, more than a week after the initial raid and shutdown on the 6th that evacuated the observatory, the post office, and the town.

The warrant issued by a U.S. magistrate in Las Cruces, New Mexico, showed that on Sept. 14 agents removed from the man’s home three cell phones, five laptops, one iPad, an external hard drive, 16 thumb drives, 89 compact flash disks and other material.

Reporting by Steve Gorman in Los Angeles; Additional reporting by Joey Roulette in Orlando, Florida

This CBS report adds more detail. Apparently the guy became aware he was under investigation, and began making threats.

According to KRQE, federal agents began speaking to the chief observer at Sunspot, who said he found a laptop running in several empty offices over the last few months. He told the feds what he found on the desktop was "not good," and that it appeared to be child porn.

The search warrant states the feds then monitored all the IP addresses and found the exact time child porn was being sent out, which then matched only the janitor.

According to KRQE, the observatory director said that once the janitor realized his computer was no longer there, he started "feverishly started looking through the facility." The director said the janitor also started making comments about "lax security at the facility," said it was "only a matter of time before the facility got hit, and he "believed there was a serial killer in the area" and that killer might enter the facility and execute someone.

The director said that's when he became concerned for his personal safety, and along with the agencies that operate the facility decided to evaluate it and shut it down.

The agency said they "recognize that the lack of communications while the facility was vacated was concerning and frustrating for some. However, our desire to provide additional information had to be balanced against the risk that, if spread at the time, the news would alert the suspect and impede the law enforcement investigation. That was a risk we could not take."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sunspo...s-child-pornography-investigation-2018-09-19/

 

[baldgye]

The article mentions a search warrant that was executed on September 14th, more than a week after the initial raid and shutdown on the 6th that evacuated the observatory, the post office, and the town.

And?

 

[Dotini]

And?

My guess is that the suspect is not being arrested or charged because he is cooperating in the investigation, his inventory of devices indicating he is widely connected. The FBI may now be poised to scoop up a whole nest of criminals. But it still seems weird they used so much force and prolonged silence (like with the local Sheriff) , promoting unnecessary speculation among the public.

 

[baldgye]

The FBI may now be poised to scoop up a whole nest of criminals.

Sounds that way.

promoting unnecessary speculation among the public

Just another non-story really, unless they manage to take down a whole sharing community...

 

[Dotini]

Sounds that way.




Just another non-story really, unless they manage to take down a whole sharing community...

One of my fencing partners works for the government - you can guess which agency. She says the FBI could use some good publicity these days. Busting rings of criminals is what they do best.

 

[Dotini]

A solar minimum and a slight increase in vulcanism means we should be entering a cooling period.

In addition to increased volcanism during solar minima, it now appears we can expect more earthquake activity as well. The current solar minimum will be under closer scrutiny as none before. (But maybe the biggest worry will be an EMP event.)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1464189500000508
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1403.5728.pdf
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1742-6596/409/1/012147/meta
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/experiments/469.html

 

[Dan]

So, I've just learned that there's a group of people who believe airliners don't run on jet fuel -- they run on compressed air, according to these geniuses. Unsurprisingly, they're also part of the "flat earth" and "chemtrail" conspiracies. It's a little scary how willfully ignorant some people can be.

 

[TenEightyOne]

So, I've just learned that there's a group of people who believe airliners don't run on jet fuel -- they run on compressed air, according to these geniuses. Unsurprisingly, they're also part of the "flat earth" and "chemtrail" conspiracies. It's a little scary how willfully ignorant some people can be.

I think there's some of that earlier in this thread, some "proof" that F1 cars can't possibly hold enough fuel to do what they do.

 

[rono_thomas]

So this popped up on my Facebook news feed,

 

[mustafur]

There is a reflection of light coming from a fire it must be Alien lazers!!!11!!

 

[rono_thomas]

There is a reflection of light coming from a fire it must be Alien lazers!!!11!!

It has 268 thumbs up, 268 too many!

 

[Northstar]

Those are actually "chembeams" which inject the chemicals normally used for chemtrails into the smoke, resulting in a much broader range of coverage due to the size of the fire.

 

[Dotini]

Actually, the phenomenon in question is the fire tornado.